On 4/9/2024 5:59 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards
are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the
slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be
placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up.
I put in a GPU brace recently. I think I read the drooping of the GPU
board itself isn't healty in the long run either. Haven't had PCIe
sockets pulled off yet or breakage in any GPU though, the current one is
the first where I've put in a brace.
My current one seems to be fine in that regard, but I do remember my
last one drooping.
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long
it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics.
Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
Yeah, I my motherboard has power and reset buttons which have LEDs and there's the two digit Dr. Debug display too but that's all. It does have
a total of four pin headers for two different kinds of LED strips stuff
but I haven't bothered. Apparently there's now some kind of sync thing
too so you can have all your leds change color in a synchronous
fashion. Sigh.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards
are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the
slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be
placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up.
I put in a GPU brace recently. I think I read the drooping of the GPU
board itself isn't healty in the long run either. Haven't had PCIe
sockets pulled off yet or breakage in any GPU though, the current one is
the first where I've put in a brace.
On 4/8/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:19 this Monday (GMT):
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
You know how all the 'high-end' gaming hardware (RAM, motherboards,
GPUs, fans, etc.) now includes LEDs? Maybe it wasn't such a good
idea... and not just because it's ugly and distracting.
It turns out, some gamers are reporting that their GPUs are getting
melted/burnt because of the LEDs in their RAM sticks. Cheap LEDs emit
UV light, and this can leave scorch marks on some plastics...
including the backplates of GPUs.
Oops.
And I'm sure all that UV does great things to people too.
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long
it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics.
Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards
are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the
slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be
placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up. I'd
say that sensible component design seems to be a thing of the past...
except then I remember 'hard-cards' (hard-drives mounted on ISA cards) >>>> from the AT/XT era and realize we never had sensible component
designs. ;-)
* read here:I never cared about those pretty lights on my PC stuff. The only lights
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/320127/ram-rbg-led-burn-in-gpu-backplate/
are the blinking drive lights, laser under the optical mouses, and power >>> lights. :P
Funny enough my mouse doesn't have a visible laser, just LEDs under the
logo and DPI indicator.
Info lights are cool. Flashy RGB lights are... fine.. sometimes.
Except for one of the wifi routers which is in our bedroom has super
bright blue LED info lights. I covered them up with electrical tape,
but the light still leaks through the vents a little, but at least down
to 'nightlight' level instead of 'Police helicopter searchlight'
What's Dr. Debug?
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 14:02 this Tuesday (GMT):
On 4/8/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:19 this Monday (GMT):
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
You know how all the 'high-end' gaming hardware (RAM, motherboards,
GPUs, fans, etc.) now includes LEDs? Maybe it wasn't such a good
idea... and not just because it's ugly and distracting.
It turns out, some gamers are reporting that their GPUs are getting
melted/burnt because of the LEDs in their RAM sticks. Cheap LEDs emit >>>>> UV light, and this can leave scorch marks on some plastics...
including the backplates of GPUs.
Oops.
And I'm sure all that UV does great things to people too.
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long >>>>> it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics.
Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards >>>>> are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the >>>>> slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be >>>>> placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up. I'd >>>>> say that sensible component design seems to be a thing of the past... >>>>> except then I remember 'hard-cards' (hard-drives mounted on ISA cards) >>>>> from the AT/XT era and realize we never had sensible component
designs. ;-)
* read here:
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/320127/ram-rbg-led-burn-in-gpu-backplate/ >>>> I never cared about those pretty lights on my PC stuff. The only lights >>>> are the blinking drive lights, laser under the optical mouses, and power >>>> lights. :P
Funny enough my mouse doesn't have a visible laser, just LEDs under the
logo and DPI indicator.
Info lights are cool. Flashy RGB lights are... fine.. sometimes.
Except for one of the wifi routers which is in our bedroom has super
bright blue LED info lights. I covered them up with electrical tape,
but the light still leaks through the vents a little, but at least down
to 'nightlight' level instead of 'Police helicopter searchlight'
Why do you keep your router in your room?
You know how all the 'high-end' gaming hardware
idea... and not just because it's ugly and distracting.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
What's Dr. Debug?
It's a two digit display for numeric error codes. So if the power on
self test detects some error it'll be displayed there. Fairly useless,
I've had it on two motherboards now and haven't had much use for
it. When I got some bad RAM in a memory update some years ago, it just
showed a random error or nothing.
You know, they used to sell add on cards back in the day with this functionality. Maybe it was useful at some point.
On 4/9/2024 8:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 14:02 this Tuesday (GMT):
On 4/8/2024 6:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:19 this Monday (GMT):
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
You know how all the 'high-end' gaming hardware (RAM, motherboards, >>>>>> GPUs, fans, etc.) now includes LEDs? Maybe it wasn't such a good
idea... and not just because it's ugly and distracting.
It turns out, some gamers are reporting that their GPUs are getting >>>>>> melted/burnt because of the LEDs in their RAM sticks. Cheap LEDs emit >>>>>> UV light, and this can leave scorch marks on some plastics...
including the backplates of GPUs.
Oops.
And I'm sure all that UV does great things to people too.
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long >>>>>> it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics. >>>>>> Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely >>>>>> heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards >>>>>> are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the >>>>>> slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of >>>>>> the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be >>>>>> placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up. I'd >>>>>> say that sensible component design seems to be a thing of the past... >>>>>> except then I remember 'hard-cards' (hard-drives mounted on ISA cards) >>>>>> from the AT/XT era and realize we never had sensible component
designs. ;-)
* read here:
https://www.lowyat.net/2024/320127/ram-rbg-led-burn-in-gpu-backplate/ >>>>> I never cared about those pretty lights on my PC stuff. The only lights >>>>> are the blinking drive lights, laser under the optical mouses, and power >>>>> lights. :P
Funny enough my mouse doesn't have a visible laser, just LEDs under the
logo and DPI indicator.
Info lights are cool. Flashy RGB lights are... fine.. sometimes.
Except for one of the wifi routers which is in our bedroom has super
bright blue LED info lights. I covered them up with electrical tape,
but the light still leaks through the vents a little, but at least down
to 'nightlight' level instead of 'Police helicopter searchlight'
Why do you keep your router in your room?
Small house, wife doesn't want the wires all over, computers aren't in
their final destination for wires either (2 & 1/2 years so far.) Everything's falling apart and it works, so it's way down on the list of stuff to get done, but yes I would like to wire the house with
Ethernet... eventually. Maybe that'll get done before I move again or
move on.
On 4/9/2024 8:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Why do you keep your router in your room?
Small house, wife doesn't want the wires all over, computers aren't in
their final destination for wires either (2 & 1/2 years so far.) Everything's falling apart and it works, so it's way down on the list of stuff to get done, but yes I would like to wire the house with
Ethernet... eventually. Maybe that'll get done before I move again or
move on.
On 4/9/2024 8:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Why do you keep your router in your room?
Small house, wife doesn't want the wires all over, computers aren't in
their final destination for wires either (2 & 1/2 years so far.) >Everything's falling apart and it works, so it's way down on the list of >stuff to get done, but yes I would like to wire the house with
Ethernet... eventually. Maybe that'll get done before I move again or
move on.
Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 12:59 this Tuesday (GMT):
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long
it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics.
Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
Yeah, I my motherboard has power and reset buttons which have LEDs and
there's the two digit Dr. Debug display too but that's all. It does have
a total of four pin headers for two different kinds of LED strips stuff
but I haven't bothered. Apparently there's now some kind of sync thing
too so you can have all your leds change color in a synchronous
fashion. Sigh.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards
are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the
slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be
placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up.
I put in a GPU brace recently. I think I read the drooping of the GPU
board itself isn't healty in the long run either. Haven't had PCIe
sockets pulled off yet or breakage in any GPU though, the current one is
the first where I've put in a brace.
What's Dr. Debug?
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 15:00:11 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 12:59 this Tuesday (GMT):
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long
it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics.
Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
Yeah, I my motherboard has power and reset buttons which have LEDs and
there's the two digit Dr. Debug display too but that's all. It does have >>> a total of four pin headers for two different kinds of LED strips stuff
but I haven't bothered. Apparently there's now some kind of sync thing
too so you can have all your leds change color in a synchronous
fashion. Sigh.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards
are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the
slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be
placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up.
I put in a GPU brace recently. I think I read the drooping of the GPU
board itself isn't healty in the long run either. Haven't had PCIe
sockets pulled off yet or breakage in any GPU though, the current one is >>> the first where I've put in a brace.
What's Dr. Debug?
ASRock's proprietary way of displaying POST error codes. Everytime
your computer starts up, it runs a variety of processes (check mem,
check voltage, check vid card installed, etc.) After every process
completes, it outputs an code, telling you the status of that check.
If one of these start-up tests fails, the computer halts. Knowing the
error code of which process fails (usually a two-character hexadecimal
digit) is very useful in troubleshooting.
Older PCs used to either show these error codes on screen, or use beep
codes, but these were imperfect solutions. Having an LED built into
the motherboard is a lot more useful. Most modern, high-end
motherboards have this functionality. You can also buy an expansion
card which has the same ability.
But ultimately, it's really just a tool for techies. If you're not
going to troubleshoot and fix your PC yourself - instead, taking it to
the shoppe when it won't start - then you won't get much use from it.
That's why most motherboards don't offer it.
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 15:43 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 15:00:11 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 12:59 this Tuesday (GMT):
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:
There's no real information on how common the problem is, or how long >>>>> it took before the plastic got scorched or, really, any specifics.
Still, it's another reason to not bling out your PC.
Yeah, I my motherboard has power and reset buttons which have LEDs and >>>> there's the two digit Dr. Debug display too but that's all. It does have >>>> a total of four pin headers for two different kinds of LED strips stuff >>>> but I haven't bothered. Apparently there's now some kind of sync thing >>>> too so you can have all your leds change color in a synchronous
fashion. Sigh.
(It's not really related, but modern GPUs are getting burdensomely
heavy and large too... so much so that the PCIE slots on motherboards >>>>> are having problems supporting that weight. There are reports of the >>>>> slots getting pulled off their traces on the motherboard because of
the weight. My GPU came with a little adjustable 'brace' meant to be >>>>> placed between GPU and chassis to help hold the massive thing up.
I put in a GPU brace recently. I think I read the drooping of the GPU
board itself isn't healty in the long run either. Haven't had PCIe
sockets pulled off yet or breakage in any GPU though, the current one is >>>> the first where I've put in a brace.
What's Dr. Debug?
ASRock's proprietary way of displaying POST error codes. Everytime
your computer starts up, it runs a variety of processes (check mem,
check voltage, check vid card installed, etc.) After every process
completes, it outputs an code, telling you the status of that check.
If one of these start-up tests fails, the computer halts. Knowing the
error code of which process fails (usually a two-character hexadecimal
digit) is very useful in troubleshooting.
Older PCs used to either show these error codes on screen, or use beep
codes, but these were imperfect solutions. Having an LED built into
the motherboard is a lot more useful. Most modern, high-end
motherboards have this functionality. You can also buy an expansion
card which has the same ability.
But ultimately, it's really just a tool for techies. If you're not
going to troubleshoot and fix your PC yourself - instead, taking it to
the shoppe when it won't start - then you won't get much use from it.
That's why most motherboards don't offer it.
Certainly sounds like it would be nice to have.
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