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I have been teaching informal DNS classes at work for decades, and I =
used to be very careful to use =E2=80=9Cmaster=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cslave= =E2=80=9D and would include a section where I pointed out that using = =E2=80=9Cprimary=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csecondary=E2=80=9D instead was =
not correct. Then about 10 years ago one person in class pointed out to =
me that for some people when they hear that terminology it really =
bothers them because of what slavery means. When she said that a few =
other people nodded and agreed. I hadn=E2=80=99t thought about that =
aspect of it, and so someone had to explain to me how jarring and =
distracting from the subject matter that could be for some people. = I=E2=80=99ve used =E2=80=9Cprimary=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csecondary=E2=80=9D=
in all my classes and documentation since then. Not because of twitter =
and social media or because I have an image to uphold, but in order to =
be considerate of other people=E2=80=99s feelings and not dismiss them = because they=E2=80=99re so different from mine.
I would like to see the terms replaced by something that doesn=E2=80=99t = hearken back to tragedy and torture.
Maria
On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Michael De Roover <isc@nixmagic.com> =
wrote:
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Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change =
nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the =
requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am =
- given how much it affects documentation, code, comments, general = environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded by =
people much smarter than I am when it comes to the mailing list here. =
Let's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless =
blabber from social media.
=20
What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected =
are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually = corporations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal = <
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941> and recently Rubocop = <
https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091> as well were not. =
The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer clearly =
didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why are you doing = this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at all. =
Chances are that they weren't even using it and just searched for =
projects with the name "cop" in it instead. These are not the people I =
want to support in my effort to end racism, which I do support, and =
quite heavily so.
=20
On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:
Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers. =20
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Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,
Michael De Roover
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
have been teaching informal DNS classes at work for decades, and I used =
to be very careful to use =E2=80=9Cmaster=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cslave=E2=80= =9D and would include a section where I pointed out that using = =E2=80=9Cprimary=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csecondary=E2=80=9D instead was =
not correct. Then about 10 years ago one person in class pointed out to =
me that for some people when they hear that terminology it really =
bothers them because of what slavery means. When she said that a few =
other people nodded and agreed. I hadn=E2=80=99t thought about that =
aspect of it, and so someone had to explain to me how jarring and =
distracting from the subject matter that could be for some people. = I=E2=80=99ve used =E2=80=9Cprimary=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csecondary=E2=80=9D=
in all my classes and documentation since then. Not because of twitter =
and social media or because I have an image to uphold, but in order to =
be considerate of other people=E2=80=99s feelings and not dismiss them = because they=E2=80=99re so different from mine.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I would like to see the terms replaced =
by something that doesn=E2=80=99t hearken back to tragedy and = torture.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Maria</div><div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:15 PM, =
Michael De Roover <<a href=3D"mailto:
isc@nixmagic.com" = class=3D"">
isc@nixmagic.com</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
=20
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
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<div class=3D""><p class=3D"">Of course I could, but I do not feel =
like the effort to change
nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the
requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer
authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code,
comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy
being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to
the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange
ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.</p><p = class=3D"">What I did notice over time however that most of the projects
affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public
image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as <a = moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941" = class=3D"">Opal</a> and
recently <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = href=3D"
https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091" = class=3D"">Rubocop</a>
as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to.
The maintainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who
shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were
affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren't
even using it and just searched for projects with the name "cop"
in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my
effort to end racism, which I <i class=3D"">do</i> support, and =
quite
heavily so.<br class=3D"">
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James =
John
(Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:<br class=3D"">
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<pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">Or you can call the slave = servers 'secondary' servers. =20
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<div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br class=3D"">
Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,<br class=3D"">
Michael De Roover</div>
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