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On 2025-10-19, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

In comp.os.linux.misc, Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why does everything need to be a ******* battle in a culture war? My
patience with these children is wearing thin.

1. Transpeople write a lot of computer software and do other work on
tech products.
2. Transphobes are in control of several large projects, having revealed
their phobias late in the game. Case in point here, DHH with Ruby
on Rails, and also main power behind Omarchy.
3. The people from point one and the people from point two get along
like water and sodium.
4. The people in group two like to rely on the outsider masses see the
group one people as the noisy problem.
5. The people in group one make noise because they've learned the lesson
of Act Up: Silence = Death.

I tend to find the people in group one a whole lot more reasonable than
the people in group two. Fascists tend to align with the group two
people because having some outgroup to blame for problems lets them get
on with the fascism while people are distracted.

I'm an interested party in all this because I bought a laptop from them several months ago. It's not a good look to find them ignoring concerns
of the people most interested in open systems. It's like Elon Musk
courting Republicans, when Republicans mostly think gasoline is a god
given right, while his customers will find the courtship offensive.

Elijah
------
tag yourself, but point two group or point three group looks likely

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t
make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.


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On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.

Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can
remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as bicycle helmets.

It's like they should be taking chill pills.

Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be
written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if
it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start
from scratch.

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On 21/10/2025 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Frankly, if developers

Or anyone else for that matter...

are going to get into a tizzy because others are not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t make, then
they can just bugger off. If that means we see less pointless Rust
re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists,
trying to bully others into being politically active.

Indeed. The number of transgender people with actual 'gender dysphoria'
is probably vanishingly small.

The rest are simply mentally abnormal. I;ve sen a couple of girls who
simply don't want to face up to puberty (possibly abused) and the
hormone changes, and a boy who just likes play acting.


No problem with that. Who isn't? But the rest of us get to try and rub
along with each other and play nice.

Not rub others noses in it and demand that or idiosyncrasies are
'respected', or we get fired...
--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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On 21/10/2025 13:37, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares?  People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t
make, then they can just bugger off.  If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade.  They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.

Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as bicycle helmets.

It's like they should be taking chill pills.

Its very over represented in what I call the 'third rate academic'
mind. Those that did well by rote learning but cant actually think stuff
out from first principles.

Having no sound basis for their opinions beyond having heard it from
someone else, they just follow the herd and go along with whatever is fashionable in their cultural milieux

Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be
written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if
it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start
from scratch.

The third rate academic mind is always looking for ways to make its
mark. It yearns to be first rate, but is incapable of it.
--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them
t make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.''

Vaguely related: I didn't attend but in the photos of Saturday's No Kings demonstration I saw what I thought was a surprising amount of gray fur. I wrote it off since this city has a lot of aging hippies. From comments
across the country it seems boomers were over represented across the
country.

I'd have thought it was a young person thing.


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On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then redistributing your
new, improved version.

There are too many of these complainers around, who don’t actually understand how to contribute to the software, who nevertheless like to put down those who do.
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On 18.10.2025 06:33 Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 08:20:04 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Because there are people who want to push their own political
opinions into anything (like companies, software projects) and want
others to obey them.

Never forget that Free Software is itself a political concept.

Indeed it is, but it is about certain freedoms - not about real
politicians and their ideas - even when certain programmers have
opinions on that.
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On 21/10/2025 20:26, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them
t make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.''

Vaguely related: I didn't attend but in the photos of Saturday's No Kings demonstration I saw what I thought was a surprising amount of gray fur. I wrote it off since this city has a lot of aging hippies. From comments
across the country it seems boomers were over represented across the
country.

I'd have thought it was a young person thing.

Some people never left the protest marches of the 1960s.

Oddly enough the latest generation seem more right wing and less
romantic than their parents

I am glad I am not American. I despise the democrats almost as much as I despise Donald...

--
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

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On 2025-10-21, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:

On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t
make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.

Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as bicycle helmets.

It's like they should be taking chill pills.

Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be
written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if
it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start
from scratch.

I think they are. If it isn't broken, why fix it?

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take
control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from
others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community. If
your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what
is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more political.
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On 22/10/2025 12:31, Borax Man wrote:

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from
others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community. If
your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what
is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more political.

This again is straight out of AgitProp 101 and the Communist handbook.

"Politics is all that is important, whatever job you do it is always in
the service of the Cause."

Back in the 1960s Rudi Dutschke coined the phrase 'the long march
through the institutions' as a description of the Communist's strategy
to achieve world dominance.

They have now achieved that and moral politics and need for more
government control to enforce it is the dominant force in Western institutions.

Leading to the backlash of the Right that is now gathering momentum.
--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

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On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant
evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then redistributing your
new, improved version.

But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other free software developers. They claim a developer has been hostile, or
committed some vague or unspoken offence and should be shunned by other developers. They pass down edicts that the other person should be
shunned. If other projects don't shun a developer declared hostile,
there is a fear they will be declared hostile themselves.

This is exactly the way religious bigotry and oppression work. Most
people just want to fit in, so they go along with bigotry for fear of
being excluded themselves.

There are too many of these complainers around, who don’t actually understand how to contribute to the software, who nevertheless like to put down those who do.

Yes, there are unholy people who have the temerity to comment on the
behaviour of the anointed priesthood.

There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588 Mali
g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and delivered
a working driver. The official team criticised other projects for using
this driver. Apparently, all the end users should have waited a year or
two for them to develop an official driver.

I've got no idea what went on between the two parties, but I wanted a
working driver, I consider it very rude when someone starts demanding I
stop using working software because they have some vague, unproven, beef
with the other developer.

It was only years later I realised that one of the developers was trans.
Now, I know in the modern enlightened world I'm not supposed to notice
such things, but I do. My life is built upon using heuristics and
informed generalisation.
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On 10/21/25 20:26, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them
t make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.''

Vaguely related: I didn't attend but in the photos of Saturday's No Kings demonstration I saw what I thought was a surprising amount of gray fur. I wrote it off since this city has a lot of aging hippies. From comments
across the country it seems boomers were over represented across the
country.

I'd have thought it was a young person thing.

This is certainly true in the UK. We have had thousands of old people
arrested for holding signs saying they support a dubiously proscribed organisation.

Where I live, you could hear random old people in the street asking each
other if they were going on the demo tomorrow.

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.


--
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We
didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought
for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we
will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's
children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Ronald Reagun



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On 2025-10-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

Vaguely related: I didn't attend but in the photos of Saturday's No Kings demonstration I saw what I thought was a surprising amount of gray fur. I wrote it off since this city has a lot of aging hippies. From comments across the country it seems boomers were over represented across the country.

I'd have thought it was a young person thing.

Probably a lot of those boomers are explaining things to the
young people, many of whom get a blank look when you mention
Kent State. Some of those boomers might even be able to
relate their parents' stories about Germany in the 1930s.
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 18:03:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2025-10-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

Vaguely related: I didn't attend but in the photos of Saturday's No
Kings demonstration I saw what I thought was a surprising amount of
gray fur. I wrote it off since this city has a lot of aging hippies.
From comments across the country it seems boomers were over represented
across the country.

I'd have thought it was a young person thing.

Probably a lot of those boomers are explaining things to the young
people, many of whom get a blank look when you mention Kent State. Some
of those boomers might even be able to relate their parents' stories
about Germany in the 1930s.

You mean the decadence of the Weimar Republic, with the KPD and original Antifa threatening to take over the country and replay the Red Terror of
the Hungarian Soviet Republic?

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by big money that I want no part of.
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 06:41:21 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On 18.10.2025 06:33 Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 08:20:04 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Because there are people who want to push their own political
opinions into anything (like companies, software projects) and want
others to obey them.

Never forget that Free Software is itself a political concept.

Indeed it is, but it is about certain freedoms - not about real
politicians and their ideas - even when certain programmers have
opinions on that.

Ideas about software freedom are indeed being taken up by politicians --
look at the “Digital Sovereignty” movement currently gathering steam in Europe.
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts
intolerant evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring
out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then
redistributing your new, improved version.

But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other
free software developers.

They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people
continuing the development elsewhere.

There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588
Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and
delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other
projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should
have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver.

And did they?
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On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by big money that I want no part of.

What big money is that?
What is wrong with the government is that while the founders and writers
of the Constitution were ethical white men of that time they failed to consider
that parties which would send felons to high office would exist.
The Constitution must be amended to provide protection against such events in the future.

A man not owning a home who seeks no building permit but hires a firm
and set them to work to demolish half of the building to make was for his
very large ballroom.
That ballroom by the way has been panned by critics already.
Some have said the next President will have to tear it down. If it is built
then we should find some use for it. He has already destroyed lovely
details of the East Wing.
But he disregards the laws concerning such projects as he did the proper
sums on financial reports.

bliss

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take control of the Free Software movement ...

Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”.

How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so?

Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie
themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ...
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On 2025-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take
control of the Free Software movement ...

Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to
benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”.

How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so?

Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ...

On the other hand, consider the "embrace, extend, extinguish" movement.
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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On 10/22/25 07:31, Borax Man wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:

On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:

Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political
rubbish.

They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
otherwise they cry.

Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t >>> make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less
pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.

We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying
to bully others into being politically active.

I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of
stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.

Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant
evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can
remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as
bicycle helmets.

It's like they should be taking chill pills.

Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be
written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if
it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start
from scratch.

I think they are. If it isn't broken, why fix it?

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from
others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community. If
your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what
is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more political.

Seems there's been more than mere 'politics' involved
in the 'popular solve-everything computer lang/system
of the day'.

Rust is just the latest FAD. It is little better
than 'C' in practice - just a bit more wordy and
with even more annoying syntax.

I've seen a number of such fads. Remember when you
were supposed to redo everything in LISP, then Pascal,
then Prolog, then object-whatever and, and, and ...
"It's The FUTURE !!!" :-)

Rust will also come and then go.

However not sure there will be a real replacement
this time since 'AI' modular programming is
rapidly gaining ascendance. Human tastes and fads
won't be much of the picture anymore.

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On 10/22/25 21:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by big money that I want no part of.

Well, of course, but big money will seek to control any viable political movement. They have the Republicans and Democrats, but they will also
want influence on the emergent opposition movements, and/or political
figures.

It is very hard to see how to tackle it.


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On 22/10/2025 23:18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by
big
money that I want no part of.

    What big money is that?
    What is wrong with the government is that while the founders and writers
 of the Constitution were ethical white men of that time they failed to consider
 that parties which would send felons to high office would exist.
    The Constitution must be amended to provide protection against such events in the future.

    A man not owning a home who seeks no building permit but hires a firm
 and set them to work to demolish half of the building to make was for his
 very large ballroom.
    That ballroom by the way has been panned by critics already.
    Some have said the next President will have to tear it down.  If it
is built
then we should find some use for it.  He has already destroyed lovely details of the East Wing.
    But he disregards the laws concerning such projects as he did the proper
sums on financial reports.

    bliss

Just because Donald is a cunt doesn't mean that the democrats are angels
--
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them,
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

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On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts
intolerant evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring
out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then
redistributing your new, improved version.

But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other
free software developers.

They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people
continuing the development elsewhere.

Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected person
is not.

There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588
Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and
delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other
projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should
have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver.

And did they?

Some other projects avoided the driver, others refused to help develop
it. The official driver is now out, but not yet with full functionality.
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On 2025-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take
control of the Free Software movement ...

Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to
benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”.

How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so?

Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ...

There is nothing to answer. There is an endless stream of evidence that
people in the Free Software movement are politically motivated and using
their own political values as a means to justify taking action against
others who don't abide.

If you want to pretend not to see it, then go ahead.
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On 2025-10-23, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:

On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts
intolerant evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring
out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then
redistributing your new, improved version.

But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other
free software developers.

They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people
continuing the development elsewhere.

Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected person
is not.

There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588
Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and
delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other
projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should
have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver.

And did they?

Some other projects avoided the driver, others refused to help develop
it. The official driver is now out, but not yet with full functionality.

Leftists just deny, deny, deny.

They are best ignored, rather than debated.
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On 10/23/25 03:09, Borax Man wrote:

On 2025-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take
control of the Free Software movement ...

Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to
benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”.

How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take >> control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s >> control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so?

Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie
themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ...

There is nothing to answer. There is an endless stream of evidence that people in the Free Software movement are politically motivated and using their own political values as a means to justify taking action against
others who don't abide.

Indeed from the days of the Commodore 64 there have been
developers who attempted to deny the use of the software to people
with whom they did not agree, politically or religiously.

Individuals cannot get much leverage. When their survival is
at stake I don't blame anyone from promoting the laws that will keep
them alive and attacking those which oppress them. African-Americans,
Women, and the Gay Community have all done that. This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

If you want to pretend not to see it, then go ahead.

bliss

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On 23/10/2025 17:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

No. They have *said* that they are. In reality no one gives a tuppeny
f*** as long as they don't use their rest rooms and abuse their children
--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.

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On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    ...This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
schools is a bit premature.

Is that an attack?

Rinaldi
--
The time has been
That, when the brains were out,
the man would die...

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 10:11:17 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

They are best ignored, rather than debated.

Mud wrestling with a pig...
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 13:29:48 -0500, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    ...This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
schools is a bit premature.

My missal had a section to help you prepare for confession. One activity listed was 'passionate dancing'. "Sister Mary Elephant, what is
passionate dancing?'
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:18:20 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by
big money that I want no part of.

What big money is that?

Are you naive enough to think Indivisible runs on school kid's dimes and quarters?
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 09:12:51 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts
intolerant evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or
figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and
then redistributing your new, improved version.

But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other
free software developers.

They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people
continuing the development elsewhere.

Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected
person is not.

I’m not sure how you can “cancel” someone from using and developing
Free software. The licences are irrevocable, remember -- there are no
clauses in them that say you are not permitted to use some software
just because someone doesn’t agree with your politics.

There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588
Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team
and delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other
projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users
should have waited a year or two for them to develop an official
driver.

And did they?

Some other projects avoided the driver, others refused to help
develop it. The official driver is now out, but not yet with full functionality.

So some projects *did* use the renegade driver? Did it work OK?
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 10:09:29 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

There is an endless stream of evidence that people in the Free
Software movement are politically motivated ...

I’ve said this myself, haven’t I? Free software is a
politically-motivated concept -- no big secret about that.

... and using their own political values as a means to justify
taking action against others who don't abide.

Free software licences do not impose restrictions on the politics of
those who use/study/develop/redistribute the software. It’s all there
in black and white.
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On 10/23/25 13:16, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:18:20 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong
with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by
big money that I want no part of.

What big money is that?

Are you naive enough to think Indivisible runs on school kid's dimes and quarters?

I don't know anything about the finances of the majority of the organizations and individuals seeking office except that they are working
on bad information when they solicit me, which included DJT which
came with the opportunity to tell him what I think of his behavior in
no uncertain terms.

Again if you are going to make remarks like "big money: it seems
you should provide some real information rather then simply saying it is so.

bliss - well when the FBI straightens its priorities they might be coming
to take me away. Ha, Ha, HO, Ho to the prison dark or the dungeon deep.
When I drop dead in their custody they will wish they had left me alone.



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On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

     ...This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

Seriously?  I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
schools is a bit premature.

Is that an attack?

I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on.
I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on children with no parental consultations.
I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings
which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual.
On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance measures
to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and
attempt to bar adults form the use of such facilities. That is very
cruel and stupid in my humble opinion. It also leads directly to Home Schooling which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have
the knowledge required for such an endeavor.

Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters aside from
cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had
been boys and that is completely ridiculous. He also considers that
all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear
evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand
and were not condemned.

I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that they
must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications
and make even more serious mistakes. Suicide in my personal belief
is a a very serious mistake. No suicide eats chocolate afterwards.

Adios, Rinaldi.

bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.5.0

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 20:30:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Again if you are going to make remarks like "big money: it seems
you should provide some real information rather then simply saying it is
so.

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/indivisible- action/C00678839/donors/2024

Indivisible gave 2 million to itself. Okay. It probably would be easier to unravel the finances of the Sinaloa Cartel that to trace the dark money
back.

Indivisible is only one of the many No Kings 'partners' that inspire the useful idiots to take part in their highly coordinated 'grassroots'
protests.

What a fucking basket of deplorables, to use Madame Pantsuit's terms.
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On 10/23/25 22:28, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 20:30:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Again if you are going to make remarks like "big money: it seems
you should provide some real information rather then simply saying it is
so.

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/indivisible- action/C00678839/donors/2024

Indivisible gave 2 million to itself. Okay. It probably would be easier to unravel the finances of the Sinaloa Cartel that to trace the dark money
back.

Indivisible is only one of the many No Kings 'partners' that inspire the useful idiots to take part in their highly coordinated 'grassroots'
protests.

What a fucking basket of deplorables, to use Madame Pantsuit's terms.

Less deplorable than a man like Mr.Trump criming all over the place as he attempts to destroy the Federal Government by de-funding agencies to
whom he has almost deliberately appointed incompetents. The Secretary
of State Rubio(?) seems competent
but the rest are simply the wrong people in the wrong place and in the
case of Hedseth
the worst man for the job it seems.
I cannot go out and March as I did in my youth or I would have been out there at the "No Kings Rally" and if you believe in the US Founding you
would have
been there too.
We have a weak Congress and a President who arrogates to himself the Power
of the Purse, re-directing the funding of agencies and setting up a
national police
force in ICE with very little accountability.
Now he is suing the USA for investigations conducted in the past into his affairs and connection to slimy Putin. For a big slice of the Tax Payers cash. Less than a quarter of a billion dollars and cheap at the price
of the
decision put in the hands of his former defense lawyers.

Executive Orders generally do not have the force of law but he is using
them as if they were law.

bliss - United State of Anarchy is what they want, free to deal with the poor
and the working class as they please.
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On 10/23/25 22:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 09:12:51 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Is there something about Linux development that attracts
intolerant evangelists.

It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or
figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and
then redistributing your new, improved version.

But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other
free software developers.

They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people
continuing the development elsewhere.

Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected
person is not.

I’m not sure how you can “cancel” someone from using and developing Free software. The licences are irrevocable, remember -- there are no
clauses in them that say you are not permitted to use some software
just because someone doesn’t agree with your politics.

This is a silly argument. Free software developers want their software
to be used. They want to collaborate with other people. Just like
commercial companies want their software to be bought. Politically
motivated attempts to stop people using the software are important to
them, they do hurt them. They are politically stifling, which is what
they are designed to be.

You can claim a specific boycott campaign is righteous, but claiming
they are inherently insignificant is disingenuous.

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On 24/10/2025 04:30, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/23/25 13:16, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:18:20 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong >>>>> with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much
influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by >>>> big money that I want no part of.

    What big money is that?

Are you naive enough to think Indivisible runs on school kid's dimes and
quarters?

    I don't know anything about the finances of the majority of the organizations and individuals seeking office except that they are working
on bad information when they solicit me, which included DJT which
came with the opportunity to tell him what I think of his behavior in
no uncertain terms.

    Again if you are going to make remarks like "big money: it seems
you should provide some real information rather then simply saying it is
so.

    bliss - well when the FBI straightens its priorities they might be coming
to take me away.  Ha, Ha, HO, Ho to the prison dark or the dungeon deep. When I drop dead in their custody they will wish they had left me alone.

Its like her during and after Brexit, The 'we love Europe' parades had chartered busses, pre printed T shirts and leaflets etc etc.
The pro brexit rallies just had people with hand printed signs or not
signs at all.
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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On 24/10/2025 04:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

     ...This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

Seriously?  I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
schools is a bit premature.

Is that an attack?

    I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on.
I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on children with no parental  consultations.
    I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings
which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual.
    On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance measures
to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and
attempt to bar adults form the use of such facilities.  That is very
cruel and stupid in my humble opinion.  It also leads directly to Home Schooling which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have
the knowledge required for such an endeavor.

        Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters aside from cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had
been boys and that is completely ridiculous.  He also considers that
all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear
evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand
and were not condemned.

    I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that they must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications
and make even more serious mistakes.  Suicide in my personal belief
is a a very serious mistake.  No suicide eats chocolate afterwards.

    Adios, Rinaldi.

bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.5.0

You dont cure mental illness with surgery.
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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On 10/24/25 10:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/10/2025 04:30, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/23/25 13:16, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:18:20 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong >>>>>> with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much >>>>>> influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also sponsored by >>>>> big money that I want no part of.

    What big money is that?

Are you naive enough to think Indivisible runs on school kid's dimes and >>> quarters?

     I don't know anything about the finances of the majority of the
organizations and individuals seeking office except that they are working
on bad information when they solicit me, which included DJT which
came with the opportunity to tell him what I think of his behavior in
no uncertain terms.

     Again if you are going to make remarks like "big money: it seems >> you should provide some real information rather then simply saying it
is so.

     bliss - well when the FBI straightens its priorities they might >> be coming
to take me away.  Ha, Ha, HO, Ho to the prison dark or the dungeon deep.
When I drop dead in their custody they will wish they had left me alone.

Its like her during and after Brexit, The 'we love Europe' parades had chartered busses, pre printed T shirts and leaflets etc etc.
The pro brexit rallies just had people with hand printed signs or not
signs at all.

There are loads of England flags on the lampposts around here, someone
paid for them. I think something to do with Tommy Robinson.

I'm not quite clear what the political point of them is? However, they actually look quite pretty, a pleasant change from the normal Christmas decorations.


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On 24/10/2025 10:25, Pancho wrote:

On 10/24/25 10:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/10/2025 04:30, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/23/25 13:16, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:18:20 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/22/25 13:41, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:34:43 +0100, Pancho wrote:

Personally, I think they are right. I think there is something wrong >>>>>>> with our current political system. Big money/lobbying has too much >>>>>>> influence. Free speech is being stifled.

I can agree with that. However the No Kings thing is also
sponsored by
big money that I want no part of.

    What big money is that?

Are you naive enough to think Indivisible runs on school kid's dimes
and
quarters?

     I don't know anything about the finances of the majority of the >>> organizations and individuals seeking office except that they are
working
on bad information when they solicit me, which included DJT which
came with the opportunity to tell him what I think of his behavior in
no uncertain terms.

     Again if you are going to make remarks like "big money: it seems >>> you should provide some real information rather then simply saying it
is so.

     bliss - well when the FBI straightens its priorities they might >>> be coming
to take me away.  Ha, Ha, HO, Ho to the prison dark or the dungeon deep. >>> When I drop dead in their custody they will wish they had left me alone. >>>

Its like her during and after Brexit, The 'we love Europe' parades had
chartered busses, pre printed T shirts and leaflets etc etc.
The pro brexit rallies just had people with hand printed signs or not
signs at all.

There are loads of England flags on the lampposts around here, someone
paid for them. I think something to do with Tommy Robinson.

Don't be silly. Tommy Robinson has almost no support anywhere and no one
would give money to such a toxic meme.

I'm not quite clear what the political point of them is? However, they actually look quite pretty, a pleasant change from the normal Christmas decorations.

I would like to see the Union flag everywhere. Its very pretty and
reminds us of a glorious past that is gone


--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

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On 10/24/25 11:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

There are loads of England flags on the lampposts around here, someone
paid for them. I think something to do with Tommy Robinson.

Don't be silly. Tommy Robinson has almost no support anywhere and no one would give money to such a toxic meme.

I'm not quite clear what the political point of them is? However, they
actually look quite pretty, a pleasant change from the normal
Christmas decorations.

I would like to see the Union flag everywhere.  Its very pretty and
reminds us of a glorious past that is gone

I'm talking about Biggin Hill, so there are also a couple of Spitfires,
to remind us of our finest hour.

Just did a google, no one seems to know who put them there, but most
people think they look good.
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:14:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/10/2025 04:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

     ...This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American
Citizens who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.

Seriously?  I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
schools is a bit premature.

Is that an attack?

    I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on.
I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on
children with no parental  consultations.
    I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings
which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual.
    On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance
    measures
to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and attempt
to bar adults form the use of such facilities.  That is very cruel and
stupid in my humble opinion.  It also leads directly to Home Schooling
which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have the knowledge
required for such an endeavor.

        Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters
        aside from
cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had
been boys and that is completely ridiculous.  He also considers that
all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear
evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand and
were not condemned.

    I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that
    they
must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications and
make even more serious mistakes.  Suicide in my personal belief is a a
very serious mistake.  No suicide eats chocolate afterwards.

    Adios, Rinaldi.

bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.5.0

You dont cure mental illness with surgery.

Yeah, they've given up on prefrontal lobotomies.

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 23:09:53 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

I cannot go out and March as I did in my youth or I would have

been out

there at the "No Kings Rally" and if you believe in the US Founding you
would have been there too.

I didn't march in my youth (except in the military) and I sure as hell am
not marching with that passel of assholes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv1KEF8Uw2k
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:13:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its like her during and after Brexit, The 'we love Europe' parades had chartered busses, pre printed T shirts and leaflets etc etc.
The pro brexit rallies just had people with hand printed signs or not
signs at all.

The day before the demo there was a meeting to create signs, with
suggestions and No Kings merch on offer. In case you missed the
opportunity:

https://store.indivisible.org/apparel/

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 11:51:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Don't be silly. Tommy Robinson has almost no support anywhere and no one would give money to such a toxic meme.

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/tommy-robinsons-zionist-
pilgrimage

Just another shabbos goy.
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On 10/24/25 11:44, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:14:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/10/2025 04:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

     ...This is presently
the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American
Citizens who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. >>>>

Seriously?  I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
schools is a bit premature.

Is that an attack?

    I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on.
I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on
children with no parental  consultations.
    I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings >>> which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual.
    On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance
    measures
to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and attempt
to bar adults form the use of such facilities.  That is very cruel and
stupid in my humble opinion.  It also leads directly to Home Schooling
which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have the knowledge
required for such an endeavor.

        Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters
        aside from
cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had
been boys and that is completely ridiculous.  He also considers that
all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear
evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand and
were not condemned.

    I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that
    they
must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications and
make even more serious mistakes.  Suicide in my personal belief is a a
very serious mistake.  No suicide eats chocolate afterwards.

    Adios, Rinaldi.

bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.5.0

You dont cure mental illness with surgery.

That depends entirely on the surgery and on the mental illness.>

Yeah, they've given up on prefrontal lobotomies.

I took very little care of a former Marine who tried to commit suicide with
his .45 semi-auto when he found out he was gay in the 1950s. Blinded
himself
and did a prefrontal destruction. He was on a different ward than I usually worked on and tended toward violent reactions to unfamiliar people.

Well some people have but on the other hand convulsant therapy
is still used. Caused some problems for one Transgender of my former
acquaintance but it cleared up some notions regarding religion when the
religionists in question sent her to a neurologist who helped her.
She is/was pretty successful after that.

bliss - nurses tend to meet all sorts of people.


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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 09:44:20 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 10/23/25 22:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

I’m not sure how you can “cancel” someone from using and developing
Free software. The licences are irrevocable, remember -- there are
no clauses in them that say you are not permitted to use some
software just because someone doesn’t agree with your politics.

Politically motivated attempts to stop people using the software are important to them, they do hurt them.

You still haven’t explained how such a thing can be done.

You can claim a specific boycott campaign is righteous, but claiming
they are inherently insignificant is disingenuous.

Where has there ever been a successful campaign to boycott Free software?
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:14:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You dont cure mental illness with surgery.

I would describe that as a simplistically dualist preconception.
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:13:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its like her during and after Brexit, The 'we love Europe' parades had chartered busses, pre printed T shirts and leaflets etc etc.
The pro brexit rallies just had people with hand printed signs or not
signs at all.

Boris had that big purple bus with something to the effect of “£530
million a week going to Europe, that could go to the NHS” painted prominently on the side.

What happened to that £530 million a week? Is the NHS benefiting from it
yet?
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On 2025-10-24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Where has there ever been a successful campaign to boycott Free software?

Probably nowhere in the long term. But there have been successes in
the short term. And then you get things like Microsoft's TCO fiasco...
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 23:01:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2025-10-24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Where has there ever been a successful campaign to boycott Free software?

Probably nowhere in the long term. But there have been successes in
the short term.

Please mention one or two.

And then you get things like Microsoft's TCO fiasco...

Microsoft was completely outclassed.
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:55:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

I took very little care of a former Marine who tried to commit

suicide

with
his .45 semi-auto when he found out he was gay in the 1950s. Blinded
himself and did a prefrontal destruction. He was on a different ward
than I usually worked on and tended toward violent reactions to
unfamiliar people.

One recruit announced he was gay in a bid to get discharged. The DI took
him to the center of the squad bay, handed him a broom, and told him to
show us all what queers did. He then explained that they would go to his
home town, and ask his parents, friends and teachers if he really was gay.
He decided he wasn't.

I watched about 5 minutes of 'Boots' before I figured out what it was
about. Maybe the Crotch was a kinder, gentler place by the '90s.

Gotta watch those 1911s. Bo Gritz tried to kill himself with one while
seated in his pickup and missed.

Apropos of the above another DI explained if you wanted to kill yourself
by bleeding out you didn't make a couple of little slashes across your
wrist like a teenage girl; you sliced the vein down the length of your forearm.




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On 10/24/25 19:05, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:55:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

I took very little care of a former Marine who tried to commit

suicide

with
his .45 semi-auto when he found out he was gay in the 1950s. Blinded
himself and did a prefrontal destruction. He was on a different ward
than I usually worked on and tended toward violent reactions to
unfamiliar people.

One recruit announced he was gay in a bid to get discharged. The DI took
him to the center of the squad bay, handed him a broom, and told him to
show us all what queers did. He then explained that they would go to his
home town, and ask his parents, friends and teachers if he really was gay.
He decided he wasn't.

I watched about 5 minutes of 'Boots' before I figured out what it was
about. Maybe the Crotch was a kinder, gentler place by the '90s.

Gotta watch those 1911s. Bo Gritz tried to kill himself with one while
seated in his pickup and missed.

Apropos of the above another DI explained if you wanted to kill yourself
by bleeding out you didn't make a couple of little slashes across your
wrist like a teenage girl; you sliced the vein down the length of your forearm.

One person probably a schizophrenic who merely thought that he was
a transgender woman and did have surgery committed suicide with sleeping
pills
in a bathtub. I noticed that this person had left a window of her apartment open. I investigated and found her there and tried to get the policie
to come
finally flagged down a patrol car in the street to get the attention.

Another a very amiable sort of model who was friendly not only with the old nurse but with very rough characters, returned to NYC got addicted
to heroin
after surgery and tried to use methadone to get off but still hung with the others and apparently missing the kick from heroin shot up and died.

I think there was a third party who suicided but he was hebe-phenic sort
of schisophrenic and when Ronald Reagan then Governor of California cut
the medications that he depended on off the MediCal formulary, trying to self-medicate drank himself to death.

Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If they fail to
recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock. I don't know any female transgender persons but sometimes they must make errors in self-diagnosis.
Some F>M transgenders are quite prominent in San Francisco but general they go go work and home at night hopefully to a loving relationship.
I knew of M>F transgender personsl who married and raised adopted children who went off to college and careers.
Most of my information is over 40 years old since I have not worked for some time having gotten post-virual exhaution when I was 46 yoa. That means
I do not get around much any more. A trip to the Library is a big thing
for me
and I have to hold it to no more than once a week. A walk of 6 blocks can leave me having to rest for another 24 hours. I went to a bar today to
drink with my friend's friends. Most of mine have died since I was out and about.
One thing I can say is that the surgery done on children in regard to genitals are mostly done on a well-known category where their is apparent malformation of the genitals and it is or was done on these intersexual children when they are quit young. But sometimes the surgeons or
the parents guess wrong about the inherent gender and the result
is a very unhappy child. Mr.Trump now the arbiter of all knowlege
denies with his foolish executive order well known facts about
intersexuals and transgenders.
In this he reveals his facist alignment as the first thing Hitler did when he got power was destroy the only clinic in the world which
dealt with homosexuality and transgender persons. <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/>

Because of the negative attention directed by the fascistic radicals of the former Republican Party, rates of depression are going up for most
of the
LGBTQ youth community. Young transgenders are being denied proper
medication which would delay the stress of puberty and feminizing or masculizing hormone therapy.
These law makers who assent to these measures have very few
medical licenses or even pre-medical degrees to their name. Maybe a law
degree, some Doctors of Divinity or a real estate licence. They raise the notion that the transgenders want to use bathrooms to spy on the opposite
sex but many of the same people want to deny sexual education to children
who might become the victims of real sexual abusers who are not generally strange men or women in dresses but fathers, brothers, older sisters and
even mothers.
Again they try to restrict competition between genetic females
and transgender girls and women but it they went by weight classes
they would have fairer competitions beween boys and girls.
But men have intruded into women's spaces as long as there was
women's space. They don't generally put on dresses to do so.

bliss


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Lawrence D´Oliveiro wrote:

Boris had that big purple bus with something to the effect of “£530 >million a week going to Europe, that could go to the NHS” painted >prominently on the side.

Nigel, not Boris.

What happened to that £530 million a week? Is the NHS benefiting from it >yet?

He knew he was lying when he put that on the bus.

-jw-
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On 24/10/2025 20:02, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 11:51:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Don't be silly. Tommy Robinson has almost no support anywhere and no one
would give money to such a toxic meme.

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/tommy-robinsons-zionist-
pilgrimage

Just another shabbos goy.

I am really surprised that you believe a single word of that website.

Tommy has never espoused any sympathy for or antipathy towards, Jews:
His crusade has been entirely about the Pakistani Muslims he grew up with.

When I last attended a Brexit rally in parliament square which drew tens
of thousands of people and caused MPs to be so scared they all left
parliament by the back door, he held a rally up the street, At best 250
people were attending.

It doesn't matter what people say in the media,. He isn't a force in
this country.
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On 25/10/2025 09:45, Joerg Walther wrote:

Lawrence D´Oliveiro wrote:

Boris had that big purple bus with something to the effect of “£530
million a week going to Europe, that could go to the NHS” painted
prominently on the side.

Nigel, not Boris.

And it was £350m

What happened to that £530 million a week? Is the NHS benefiting from it
yet?

He knew he was lying when he put that on the bus.

It got absorbed into general government corruption.

And technically it wasn't a lie. We were paying that much to the EU.
What we got back was politely ignored :-)

-jw-

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people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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Le 22-10-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :

Ideas about software freedom are indeed being taken up by politicians -- look at the “Digital Sovereignty” movement currently gathering steam in Europe.

If I could thank Trump for anything, it would be that. He makes clear
that Americans are not our friends and that proprietary software coming
from the USA are not designed to help us.
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On 2025-10-25 06:45, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/24/25 19:05, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:55:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

...

    One person probably a schizophrenic who merely thought that he was
a transgender woman and did have surgery committed suicide with sleeping pills
in a bathtub.  I noticed that this person had left a window of her apartment
open.  I investigated and found her there and tried to get the policie
to come
finally flagged down a patrol car in the street to get the attention.

...

    Because of the negative attention directed by the fascistic radicals of
the former Republican Party, rates of depression are going up for most
of the
LGBTQ youth community.   Young transgenders are  being denied proper medication which would delay the stress of puberty and feminizing or masculizing hormone therapy.
    These law makers who assent to these measures have very few
medical licenses or even pre-medical degrees to their name. Maybe a law degree, some Doctors of Divinity or a real estate licence.  They raise the notion that the transgenders want to use bathrooms to spy on the opposite
sex but many of the same people want to deny sexual education to children
who might become the victims of real sexual abusers who are not generally strange men or women in dresses but fathers, brothers, older sisters and
even mothers.
    Again they try to restrict competition between genetic females
and transgender girls and women but it they went by weight classes
they would have fairer competitions beween boys and girls.
    But men have intruded into women's spaces as long as there was women's space.  They don't generally put on dresses to do so.

It is sad.
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On 25/10/2025 13:52, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 22-10-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :

Ideas about software freedom are indeed being taken up by politicians --
look at the “Digital Sovereignty” movement currently gathering steam in >> Europe.

If I could thank Trump for anything, it would be that. He makes clear
that Americans are not our friends and that proprietary software coming
from the USA are not designed to help us.

..IS not designed to help us...
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If

they

fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock.

A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be explaining to transexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 times a day.'

Cruel, but... It doesn't sound like a pleasant life. As I understand it
the recreated vagina is basically a wound that requires painful
maintenance to prevent it healing.

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On 10/25/25 12:55, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If

they

fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock.

A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be explaining to transsexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 times a day.'

Cruel, but... It doesn't sound like a pleasant life. As I understand it
the recreated vagina is basically a wound that requires painful
maintenance to prevent it healing.

The need for maintenance depends on the surgeon performing the procedure. People don't get surgery lightly unless they come with a lot of money and pot of stupidity. It has happened to at least one person who
won a lottery but I did not know that one personally.

It is irreversible generally speaking and comes with years of painful
electrolysis or these days for people with dark hair on their faces/bodies
laser removal.

I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad
decisions or who only thought they were transgender might ask such
questions.

bliss>

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On 2025-10-25, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/25/25 12:55, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If

they

fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock.

A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be
explaining to transsexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 >> times a day.'

What percentage of the nursing home population can be expected to be
trans?

(Also, 50 years from now? Transsexuality isn't a new concept, wouldn't we
be seeing this now already?)

I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad
decisions or who only thought they were transgender might ask such
questions.

Yeah, I was wondering, this scenario relies on forgetting stuff, but if
one forgets stuff, isn't it more likely that what is remembered is the
gender that person perceives deeply to be their gender, and not what
some outsider says their gender is? Or is there something I'm missing
about dementia?
--
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 14:45:26 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad decisions
or who only thought they were transgender might ask such questions.

Statistically not many will live long enough to reach dementia.

https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/59/3/1023/302037/ Differences-in-All-Cause-Mortality-Among

I don't know the extent of the body mods, if any, but I knew someone who
went from being a stocky, not particularly handsome, middle aged male to a stock, not very pretty, middle aged female. His pedantic, sort of pain in
the ass personality did not undergo any transition. Rachel Levine comes to mind.

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On 10/25/25 19:10, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 14:45:26 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that
since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad decisions
or who only thought they were transgender might ask such questions.

Statistically not many will live long enough to reach dementia.

Dementia can happen quite early. But looking at my generation how many people reach 88? My alleged mind might start to crack tomorrow or I could
die as I go to the library or worse on return. Worse because my books could become overdue the worst of a reader's many sins.

https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/59/3/1023/302037/ Differences-in-All-Cause-Mortality-Among

I don't know the extent of the body mods, if any, but I knew someone who
went from being a stocky, not particularly handsome, middle aged male to a stock, not very pretty, middle aged female. His pedantic, sort of pain in
the ass personality did not undergo any transition. Rachel Levine comes to mind.

For the change of Personality it takes another sort of the therapy and rarest of all a desire to change what one is already content with being.
This goes right along with the idea that stupid people never realize the
limits of their stupidity or competence. This is the Dunning-Kroger
effect.

bliss

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:13:23 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Dementia can happen quite early. But looking at my generation

how
many

people reach 88? My alleged mind might start to crack tomorrow or I
could die as I go to the library or worse on return. Worse because my
books could become overdue the worst of a reader's many sins.

It was sad watching my brother's gears start to slip and his world get smaller. After a minor accident with a lathe his wife put the kabosh on
his woodworking. He was quite good and would sell items at the farmer's markets and so forth. He didn't need the money and probably lost money but
he enjoyed it. Then she made him park the RV. Next was the car. He liked
to hike in the hills around Vandenberg but after a couple of incidents
getting lost that was out and he was limited to walking around the block.
No crossing streets. Towards the end he wouldn't eat and just wanted to
check out but she kept him alive.

If I start down that path I hope I can still remember how to run a .45 --
and do it right. Gotta go for the medulla oblongata, not the stuff that
isn't strictly necessary.



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On 10/25/25 17:37, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2025-10-25, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/25/25 12:55, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If

they

fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock.

A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be
explaining to transsexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 >>> times a day.'

What percentage of the nursing home population can be expected to be
trans?

That would be the same as the occurence of transgenderism in the general population probably less than 1%. >

(Also, 50 years from now? Transsexuality isn't a new concept, wouldn't we
be seeing this now already?)

Well it might be happening but I doubt transgenders will have any sot
of reaction as they are living the dream. The psuedo -transgenders
might show
up a bit.

I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that
since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad
decisions or who only thought they were transgender might ask such
questions.

Yeah, I was wondering, this scenario relies on forgetting stuff, but if
one forgets stuff, isn't it more likely that what is remembered is the
gender that person perceives deeply to be their gender, and not what
some outsider says their gender is? Or is there something I'm missing
about dementia?

That would be my expectation.
Most would be happy to forget they has ever been a male or female.
Some demented female to male transgenders might be asking that question?
That is because f>m have more compromises to make than m>f because it is
much harder to get a peris of your own that to get rid of a penis.

bliss



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