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The World Wide Web has degenerated significantly from its original
role as the "information superhighway."

But there are still a lot of worthwhile web sites amid the
javascript jungle of commercial garbage.

For those sites I use the Palemoon browser and you should too:

<http://www.palemoon.org/>

On my Gentoo system I just built the latest Palemoon. It required
only 35 minutes of compile time. Contrast that with the 6 hours
needed by the bloated Firefox or Chromium.

Support Palemoon. It is the alternative to the alternative
of bloated Firefox.

Aside: I need to one day check out Librewolf.
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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 17:46 this Thursday (GMT):

The World Wide Web has degenerated significantly from its original
role as the "information superhighway."

But there are still a lot of worthwhile web sites amid the
javascript jungle of commercial garbage.

For those sites I use the Palemoon browser and you should too:

<http://www.palemoon.org/>

On my Gentoo system I just built the latest Palemoon. It required
only 35 minutes of compile time. Contrast that with the 6 hours
needed by the bloated Firefox or Chromium.

Support Palemoon. It is the alternative to the alternative
of bloated Firefox.

Aside: I need to one day check out Librewolf.

I think librewolf is pretty good, I use it daily. NoScript and uBlock
are fantastic.
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 18:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

I think librewolf is pretty good, I use it daily. NoScript and uBlock
are fantastic.

Librewolf provides an overlay, or an out-of-tree build package, for Gentoo
and so I decided to check it out:

<https://codeberg.org/librewolf/gentoo>

After installing the overlay, the standard Gentoo emerge information gives
this mess:

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

[ebuild N ] net-libs/ngtcp2-1.17.0::gentoo USE="gnutls (-openssl) -ssl" 664 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-linker-config-20:20::gentoo USE="-default-lld" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-linker-config-21:21::gentoo USE="-default-lld" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-rtlib-config-20:20::gentoo USE="-default-compiler-rt" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-stdlib-config-20:20::gentoo USE="-default-libcxx" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-rtlib-config-21:21::gentoo USE="-default-compiler-rt" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-stdlib-config-21:21::gentoo USE="-default-libcxx" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-unwindlib-config-20:20::gentoo USE="-default-compiler-rt -llvm-libunwind" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-unwindlib-config-21:21::gentoo USE="-default-compiler-rt -llvm-libunwind" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-util/cbindgen-0.29.2::gentoo USE="-debug -test" 14,262 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-common-21.1.4::gentoo USE="-bootstrap-prefix -cet -default-compiler-rt -default-libcxx -default-lld -emacs -hardened -llvm-libunwind -verify-sig" 155,214 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/openmp-21.1.4:0/21.1::gentoo USE="-debug -gdb-plugin -hwloc -ompt -test -verify-sig" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_13 -python3_11 -python3_12 -python3_14" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/simdjson-3.13.0:0/26::gentoo USE="all-impls -test -tools" 9,177 KiB
[ebuild N ] net-libs/nodejs-24.9.0:0/24::gentoo USE="icu inspector snapshot ssl system-icu system-ssl -corepack -debug -doc (-lto) -npm -pax-kernel -test" CPU_FLAGS_X86="sse2" 50,574 KiB
[ebuild NS ] llvm-core/llvm-20.1.8:20/20.1::gentoo [21.1.0:21/21.1::gentoo] USE="binutils-plugin libffi zstd -debug (-debuginfod) -doc -exegesis -libedit -test -verify-sig -xml -z3" LLVM_TARGETS="(AMDGPU) (SPIRV) (X86) -AArch64 -ARC -ARM -AVR -BPF -CSKY -DirectX -Hexagon -Lanai -LoongArch -M68k -MSP430 -Mips -NVPTX -PowerPC -RISCV -Sparc -SystemZ -VE -WebAssembly -XCore -Xtensa" 144,082 KiB
[ebuild NS ] llvm-core/llvm-toolchain-symlinks-20-r1:20::gentoo [21:21::gentoo] USE="native-symlinks -multilib-symlinks" 0 KiB
[ebuild U ] llvm-core/llvm-21.1.4:21/21.1::gentoo [21.1.0:21/21.1::gentoo] USE="binutils-plugin libffi zstd -debug (-debuginfod) -doc -exegesis -libedit -test -verify-sig -xml -z3" LLVM_TARGETS="(AMDGPU) (SPIRV) (X86) -AArch64 -ARC -ARM -AVR -BPF -CSKY -DirectX -Hexagon -Lanai -LoongArch -M68k -MSP430 -Mips -NVPTX -PowerPC -RISCV -Sparc -SystemZ -VE -WebAssembly -XCore -Xtensa" 297 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-20.1.8:20/20.1::gentoo USE="extra static-analyzer -debug -doc (-ieee-long-double) (-pie) -test -verify-sig -xml" LLVM_TARGETS="(AMDGPU) (SPIRV) (X86) -AArch64 -ARC -ARM -AVR -BPF -CSKY -DirectX -Hexagon -Lanai -LoongArch -M68k -MSP430 -Mips -NVPTX -PowerPC -RISCV -Sparc -SystemZ -VE -WebAssembly -XCore -Xtensa" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_13 -python3_11 -python3_12 -python3_14" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-toolchain-symlinks-20:20::gentoo USE="native-symlinks -gcc-symlinks -multilib-symlinks" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/compiler-rt-20.1.8-r1:20::gentoo USE="atomic-builtins (clang) -debug -test -verify-sig" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/compiler-rt-sanitizers-20.1.8-r1:20::gentoo USE="asan cfi (clang) ctx-profile dfsan gwp-asan hwasan libfuzzer lsan memprof msan nsan orc rtsan safestack scudo tsan ubsan xray -debug -profile (-shadowcallstack) -test -verify-sig" 3 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-runtime-20.1.8-r1:20::gentoo USE="compiler-rt openmp sanitize -default-compiler-rt -default-libcxx -default-lld -libcxx -llvm-libunwind -offload -polly" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-21.1.4:21/21.1::gentoo USE="extra static-analyzer -debug -doc (-ieee-long-double) (-pie) -test -verify-sig -xml" LLVM_TARGETS="(AMDGPU) (SPIRV) (X86) -AArch64 -ARC -ARM -AVR -BPF -CSKY -DirectX -Hexagon -Lanai -LoongArch -M68k -MSP430 -Mips -NVPTX -PowerPC -RISCV -Sparc -SystemZ -VE -WebAssembly -XCore -Xtensa" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_13 -python3_11 -python3_12 -python3_14" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/clang-toolchain-symlinks-21:21::gentoo USE="native-symlinks -gcc-symlinks -multilib-symlinks" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/compiler-rt-21.1.4:21::gentoo USE="atomic-builtins (clang) -debug -test -verify-sig" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/compiler-rt-sanitizers-21.1.4:21::gentoo USE="asan cfi (clang) ctx-profile dfsan gwp-asan hwasan libfuzzer lsan memprof msan nsan orc rtsan safestack scudo tsan ubsan xray -debug -profile (-shadowcallstack) -test -verify-sig" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-runtimes/clang-runtime-21.1.4:21::gentoo USE="compiler-rt openmp sanitize -default-compiler-rt -default-libcxx -default-lld -libcxx -llvm-libunwind -offload -polly" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/lld-20.1.8:20/20.1::gentoo USE="zstd -debug -test -verify-sig" LLVM_TARGETS="(AMDGPU) (SPIRV) (X86) -AArch64 -ARC -ARM -AVR -BPF -CSKY -DirectX -Hexagon -Lanai -LoongArch -M68k -MSP430 -Mips -NVPTX -PowerPC -RISCV -Sparc -SystemZ -VE -WebAssembly -XCore -Xtensa" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] llvm-core/lld-toolchain-symlinks-20:20::gentoo USE="native-symlinks -multilib-symlinks" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] www-client/librewolf-144.0_p1:0/144::local_overlay USE="X clang gmp-autoupdate jumbo-build system-av1 system-harfbuzz system-icu system-jpeg system-libevent system-libvpx system-webp -dbus -debug -eme-free -hardened -hwaccel -jack -jpegxl -libproxy -openh264 -pgo -pulseaudio (-selinux) -sndio -system-pipewire -system-png -telemetry -test -valgrind -wasm-sandbox -wayland -wifi" L10N="-ach -af -an -ar -ast -az -be -bg -bn -br -bs -ca -ca-valencia -cak -cs -cy -da -de -dsb -el -en-CA -en-GB -eo -es-AR -es-CL -es-ES -es-MX -et -eu -fa -ff -fi -fr -fur -fy -ga -gd -gl -gn -gu -he -hi -hr -hsb -hu -hy -ia -id -is -it -ja -ka -kab -kk -km -kn -ko -lij -lt -lv -mk -mr -ms -my -nb -ne -nl -nn -oc -pa -pl -pt-BR -pt-PT -rm -ro -ru -sc -sco -si -sk -skr -sl -son -sq -sr -sv -szl -ta -te -th -tl -tr -trs -uk -ur -uz -vi -xh -zh-CN -zh-TW" LLVM_SLOT="20 -19" 1,005,182 KiB

Total: 30 packages (1 upgrade, 27 new, 2 in new slots), Size of downloads: 1,379,451 KiB


This means that 30 new packages would have to be built before I could
build Librewolf.

My decision:

Fuck that bloated piece of shit. I'll stick to Palemoon.
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On 2025-10-30 14:00, candycanearter07 wrote:

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 17:46 this Thursday (GMT):

The World Wide Web has degenerated significantly from its original
role as the "information superhighway."

But there are still a lot of worthwhile web sites amid the
javascript jungle of commercial garbage.

For those sites I use the Palemoon browser and you should too:

<http://www.palemoon.org/>

On my Gentoo system I just built the latest Palemoon. It required
only 35 minutes of compile time. Contrast that with the 6 hours
needed by the bloated Firefox or Chromium.

Support Palemoon. It is the alternative to the alternative
of bloated Firefox.

Aside: I need to one day check out Librewolf.

I think librewolf is pretty good, I use it daily. NoScript and uBlock
are fantastic.

Librewolf's maintainers are a bunch of Communist dweebs.
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John 14:6
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 19:35:29 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

Librewolf's maintainers are a bunch of Communist dweebs.

I wasn't too impressed. I'll stick with Brave or Tor for a Mozilla
derivative. I do use Firefox for a few things that don't work in Brave. It tends to come with Linux distros anyway, might as well do something with
it.

afaik Zorin dumped Firefox for Brave after Mozilla's new TOS came out. It won't be good for Mozilla if more distros jump ship. I hope Mitchell has
been keeping her retirement account well filled.
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On 2025-10-30 22:54, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 19:35:29 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

Librewolf's maintainers are a bunch of Communist dweebs.

I wasn't too impressed. I'll stick with Brave or Tor for a Mozilla derivative. I do use Firefox for a few things that don't work in Brave. It tends to come with Linux distros anyway, might as well do something with
it.

Firefox is the first thing I remove when I install Linux. I'd remove Thunderbird too but I prefer it over Betterbird because it actually
supports the Canadian English dictionaries unlike the latter.

afaik Zorin dumped Firefox for Brave after Mozilla's new TOS came out. It won't be good for Mozilla if more distros jump ship. I hope Mitchell has
been keeping her retirement account well filled.

I doubt that many more will abandon Firefox. They should, but Mozilla is synonymous with open-source for many, so they are likely to keep its
software around for that reason alone. In many cases, Mozilla's
adventure into the far-left is compatible with their own, so they'll
support like-minded demonic pedophiles.
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John 14:6
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:43:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

I doubt that many more will abandon Firefox. They should, but Mozilla is synonymous with open-source for many, so they are likely to keep its
software around for that reason alone. In many cases, Mozilla's
adventure into the far-left is compatible with their own, so they'll
support like-minded demonic pedophiles.

Brave is FOSS.

https://fossforce.com/2023/01/brave-a-great-browser-with-a-questionable- business-model/

I didn't switch to Brave in the early days when it was messing around with
its ad scheme and have never registered for Brave Rewards. I'm not sure
you even can anymore.

Manjaro switched to Vivaldi and some were upset that it isn't FOSS. Some
don't like Chromium, which is FOSS, because of the links to Google. By extension that poisons anything derived from the chromium code base which
is almost everything that isn't Firefox derived, including Edge.

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On 2025-10-31 3:10 p.m., rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:43:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

I doubt that many more will abandon Firefox. They should, but Mozilla is
synonymous with open-source for many, so they are likely to keep its
software around for that reason alone. In many cases, Mozilla's
adventure into the far-left is compatible with their own, so they'll
support like-minded demonic pedophiles.

Brave is FOSS.

https://fossforce.com/2023/01/brave-a-great-browser-with-a-questionable- business-model/

I didn't switch to Brave in the early days when it was messing around with its ad scheme and have never registered for Brave Rewards. I'm not sure
you even can anymore.

I switched to it rather quickly when I found out about what happened
with Brendan Eich and was anxious to support him over the tyrants at
Mozilla. I used to switch back and forth to Edge and back to Brave, but
those days are over now that I'm in Linux. There is truly no good reason
to install Edge in Linux.

Manjaro switched to Vivaldi and some were upset that it isn't FOSS. Some don't like Chromium, which is FOSS, because of the links to Google. By extension that poisons anything derived from the chromium code base which
is almost everything that isn't Firefox derived, including Edge.

I agree that it should be a priority to support an open-source browser
in an open-source operating system.
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 18:38:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

I switched to it rather quickly when I found out about what happened
with Brendan Eich and was anxious to support him over the tyrants at
Mozilla. I used to switch back and forth to Edge and back to Brave, but
those days are over now that I'm in Linux. There is truly no good reason
to install Edge in Linux.

I have to do some research. I just installed EndeavourOS with the KDE DE.
It comes with Firefox so I installed Brave. Same version as I have on the other machines but more shit than a Christmas turkey. Brave Talk, Leo, statistics, Brave rewards, and it doesn't seem able to search for
anything. I've got most of the crap turned off but it still needs work.
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On 2025-11-01 1:09 a.m., rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 18:38:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

I switched to it rather quickly when I found out about what happened
with Brendan Eich and was anxious to support him over the tyrants at
Mozilla. I used to switch back and forth to Edge and back to Brave, but
those days are over now that I'm in Linux. There is truly no good reason
to install Edge in Linux.

I have to do some research. I just installed EndeavourOS with the KDE DE.
It comes with Firefox so I installed Brave. Same version as I have on the other machines but more shit than a Christmas turkey. Brave Talk, Leo, statistics, Brave rewards, and it doesn't seem able to search for
anything. I've got most of the crap turned off but it still needs work.

Of all the distributions I've tried, it's the closest thing to
perfection for me. I see no reason to migrate from it. I like
OpenMandriva as well and use it on my work laptop, but I prefer the former.
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John 14:6
EndeavourOS backer
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 10:58:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

Of all the distributions I've tried, it's the closest thing to
perfection for me. I see no reason to migrate from it. I like
OpenMandriva as well and use it on my work laptop, but I prefer the
former.

I found the problem with Brave. It had spawned a KDE Wallet dialog that I ignored since it wanted a gpg key that I didn't want to bother with. Once
I selected the older, less secure method KDE Wallet was happy, and Brave behaved normally. Prior to that no search engine was specified. After the Brave engine was the default or you could select DuckDuckGO etc. Also
prior to the wallet opening a new private window would do a search.

For a real head scratcher I'm left handed so the first thing I do is
change the mouse buttons. No problem except for VS Code and the Arduino
IDE. They still act like a right handed mouse -- unless I change the
system settings to a right handed mouse and then they are left handed.

That's with the KDE DE. To complete the puzzle I switched to SwayWM and
with left handed enabled for the mouse in the config Code, Arduino, and everything else works as expected. Think I'll stay with Sway. The Fedora
box is KDE and I like a little variety.
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