linux-6.17.6/nohup.out <==real 439.15
linux-6.17.6/uname.out <==Linux lm 6.17.6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 29 19:40:50 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
(Remember Linux? This is a newsgroup about Linux.)
$ tail -n 3 linux-6.17.6/*.out ==> linux-6.17.6/nohup.out <==
real 439.15 user 21323.79 sys 3830.90
linux-6.17.6/uname.out <==Linux lm 6.17.6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 29 19:40:50 PDT 2025 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 03:22:30 +0000, vallor wrote:
(Remember Linux? This is a newsgroup about Linux.)
$ tail -n 3 linux-6.17.6/*.out ==> linux-6.17.6/nohup.out <==
real 439.15 user 21323.79 sys 3830.90
linux-6.17.6/uname.out <==Linux lm 6.17.6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 29 19:40:50 PDT 2025 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Still trailing. I upgraded to Fedora 43 and the kernel is 6.17.5. The upgrade was smooth as usual.
Not really a problem but something that took me a while to figure out
was it installs Python 3.14. Nothing wrong there but 3.14 is newly
released and some of the PyPI packages haven't caught up yet and 'pip install' fails. 3.13 is still installed for a workaround.
I also just finished an upgrade from Ubuntu 25.04 to 25.10. It hung
when it tried to reboot as usual and needed 'systemctl reboot -i' to
finish. Its kernel is 6.17.0-6-generic. Python is still 3.13.7,
which is fine by me.
vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:
(Remember Linux? This is a newsgroup about Linux.)
$ tail -n 3 linux-6.17.6/*.out
linux-6.17.6/nohup.out <==real 439.15
user 21323.79
sys 3830.90
linux-6.17.6/uname.out <==Linux lm 6.17.6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 29 19:40:50 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
(I'm sure there will be trolls who scream in anger at this innocent post, but seeing what's
coming out of their mouths lately, I'm not too worried about it.)
BTW, I put up an old Linux beginners' document from the 90's, it can be found here:
https://vallor.earth/unix.html
Do people still read books these days?
Or just ask AI to wrtte the code or whatever?
I think Fedora might have a policy of staying one version behind the
current release kernel.
Not really a problem but something that took me a while to figure out
was it installs Python 3.14. Nothing wrong there but 3.14 is newly
released and some of the PyPI packages haven't caught up yet and 'pip
install' fails. 3.13 is still installed for a workaround.
That's funky -- you'd think they'd test that. Python is pretty
important.
I use a Linux Mint kernel on my laptop, it is currently running:
$ uname -a Linux tuf 6.14.0-33-generic #33~24.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Sep 19 17:02:30 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
I need the newer kernel for keyboard lighting control, it is a new
feature for this laptop. (The firmware default is some "breathing"
effect that I needed to switch off...and there's no setting in the bios
to do that.)
My purchases
are almost all e-books, not hard copy. I've got too damn many of those.
On 30 Oct 2025 19:38:02 GMT, rbowman wrote:
My purchases
are almost all e-books, not hard copy. I've got too damn many of those.
Does anybody actually purchase e-books? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Only a fucking idiot perhaps.
If the "Blowman" would learn how to pie r8t e-books then maybe he could
use the extra bucks to acquire blow and hookers.
But then there would be the problem of penile erection.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Do people still read books these days?
Slowly changing color and intensity? I have a mouse that does that. I
guess some people find it kool. My Acer laptop has keyboard lighting. It also has aluminum colored keycaps. Bad combination in anything but a darkened room.
vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:
(Remember Linux? This is a newsgroup about Linux.)
$ tail -n 3 linux-6.17.6/*.out
linux-6.17.6/nohup.out <==real 439.15
user 21323.79
sys 3830.90
linux-6.17.6/uname.out <==Linux lm 6.17.6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 29 19:40:50 PDT 2025 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
(I'm sure there will be trolls who scream in anger at this innocent
post, but seeing what's coming out of their mouths lately, I'm not too >>worried about it.)
BTW, I put up an old Linux beginners' document from the 90's, it can be >>found here:
https://vallor.earth/unix.html
Nice, maybe one could add some examples of 'sort' and 'awk'.
A good book on Unix would be nice too.
And Kernighan and Ritchie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language
https://www.shortform.com/best-books/genre/best-unix-books-of-all-time
Do people still read books these days?
Or just ask AI to wrtte the code or whatever?
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 10:04:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Do people still read books these days?
I discovered decades ago that any computer-related books you could buy already start becoming obsolete when they hit the shops.
Just about all of my learning has been online since then. And of course
from actual hands-on mess^H^H^H^Hworking with Linux systems.
I also have an Acer laptop with keyboard lighting - they light up in
red. I like it, makes typing in low light conditions rather pleasant.
It's a Nitro 5. What is yours?
I've been happily running MXLinux without issue on it for months now.
Fast as frak too!
I'm old school. I still write my own code. I haven't used AI a single
time to assist me.
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 06:42:41 +0000, vallor wrote:
I think Fedora might have a policy of staying one version behind the current release kernel.
I think so. 42 had made it to 6.17 when it ran out of 6.16 minor releases. 43 only bumped it a little.
Not really a problem but something that took me a while to figure out
was it installs Python 3.14. Nothing wrong there but 3.14 is newly
released and some of the PyPI packages haven't caught up yet and 'pip
install' fails. 3.13 is still installed for a workaround.
That's funky -- you'd think they'd test that. Python is pretty
important.
I can't fault Fedora. 3.14 is a genuine release, not something they cooked up like Red Hat Linux did in 2000, nor can I fault the PyPI package maintainers. I didn't have a problem with haversine and others. The ones I hit were GUI packages that may take a while to incorporate and test the
3.14 changes.
The Pythonistas say you should use uv to control the installed versions
and switch between them rather than depend on the default. I haven't used that but I have used nvm to switch node versions where the latest nodee wouldn't handle legacy code. It isn't much different that using compiler switches to select C versions.
I use a Linux Mint kernel on my laptop, it is currently running:
$ uname -a Linux tuf 6.14.0-33-generic #33~24.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Sep 19 17:02:30 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
They're using Mint for the library seminar on installing Linux on a eol Win10 box. I did notice it was behind the current Ubuntu kernel.
I need the newer kernel for keyboard lighting control, it is a new
feature for this laptop. (The firmware default is some "breathing"
effect that I needed to switch off...and there's no setting in the bios
to do that.)
Slowly changing color and intensity? I have a mouse that does that. I
guess some people find it kool. My Acer laptop has keyboard lighting. It also has aluminum colored keycaps. Bad combination in anything but a darkened room.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 10:04:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Do people still read books these days?
Or just ask AI to wrtte the code or whatever?
That depends on your definition of books. Most programming books can't
keep up with the on line documentation except for the basics. My purchases >are almost all e-books, not hard copy. I've got too damn many of those.
I'm currently reading 'Foundations of Computational Neuroscience'. While >it's making progress that field moves slowly enough that what I learned in >the '60s is still applicable. Neurons haven't changed, only the models.
A very interesting subject!
I did some neural network programming many years ago after reading an article in a German magazine by some professor who controlled model
cars with just a few neuron like things.
He could get real interesting behavior,
like cars evading each other, clustering together, what not,
with just a few artificial neurons.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 01:23:06 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
I also have an Acer laptop with keyboard lighting - they light up in
red. I like it, makes typing in low light conditions rather pleasant.
It's a Nitro 5. What is yours?
Acer Swift 3. Not being a 'gaming laptop' it isn't a kool black chassis
with red lighting. It's silver colored with white lighting. The keycaps
are silver with subdued black letters. Not a happy combination.
I've been happily running MXLinux without issue on it for months now.
Fast as frak too!
That's my Windows 11 machine, j.i.c. My Beelink mini has the same Ryzen 7 CPU and 8 GB more memory and I'm running Ubuntu on it. The Beelink was an experiment that worked out well and I selected the SER4 since it was so close to the laptop and I was happy with the laptop's performance even
with Windows.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 01:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
I'm old school. I still write my own code. I haven't used AI a single
time to assist me.
I'm on a couple of subreddits like arduino. It's amusing seeing the N00bs come with a pile of AI generated shit and asking why it doesn't work. Some of the responses aren't too kind.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 09:19:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
A very interesting subject!
I did some neural network programming many years ago after reading an
article in a German magazine by some professor who controlled model
cars with just a few neuron like things.
He could get real interesting behavior,
like cars evading each other, clustering together, what not,
with just a few artificial neurons.
It's been a longtime interest of mine. Had I been in college 20 years
later I would have found my way into cognitive science but the first
program was at UCSD in '86. As it was my degree was in psychology. It was >fun explaining to people that while I knew quite a bit about rats and
neural physiology I didn't know squat about the stuff covered in
'Psychology Today'.
In the '80s I attended a neural network seminar. Much of the theory from >that time is still applicable but the computing power to make it work
wasn't there. NNs were oversold, failed to produce, and became a dirty
word. 'Machine learning' was coined to remove the stigma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BEAM_robotics
It's interesting the behavior that emerges with no 'intelligence'
involved. I have a small car that is controlled by an Arduino. Reading the >ultrasonic sensors and avoiding obstacles by controlling 4 motors using
PWM outputs isn't too far past what can be done without the Arduino
'brain'.
As a kid, I came across an article in maybe it was 'Scientific
American'? that described a toy car finding and driving to a light
source. I got to work immediately and had an LDR photo cell, some
electric motors, 4 wheels. The 'car' would indeed travel towards a
flashlight for example.
Then, in the room with the room lights on, its started travelling to
the bright lit walls.. Once it got close to the wall it came into
its own shadow, and started moving backwards. Once out of its own
shadow it started moving to the wall again, endlessly going back and
forward. (Easy fix would be some side steering.)
But it hit me that that 'oscillation' was actually like 'me' looking for
'the ultimate' (light) and me always somehow getting in my own shadow (concepts perhaps).
I remember once in my high school library finding a copy of W Grey
Walter’s “The Living Brain”, published in 1953. He was a pioneer in brain research with EEGs and the like. He also created simple “robots” (nothing resembling computers in them, though), similar in some ways to
what you describe.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 08:13:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
But it hit me that that 'oscillation' was actually like 'me' looking for
'the ultimate' (light) and me always somehow getting in my own shadow
(concepts perhaps).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunicate#Life_cycle
It starts off like a tadpole, finds a nice rock, attaches itself, and >proceeds to absorb things it no longer needs like the rudimentary 'brain' >that allows it to swim around and find a home.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 08:58:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
I remember once in my high school library finding a copy of W Grey
Walter’s “The Living Brain”, published in 1953. He was a pioneer in
brain research with EEGs and the like. He also created simple “robots” >> (nothing resembling computers in them, though), similar in some ways to
what you describe.
'Popular Science' or one of the similar magazines in the '50s had plans to >build even a simpler version. The carapace, if you will, was a dishpan
like this:
https://www.lehmans.com/product/enamelware-dish-basin-white/
Rather than photocells it had a couple of microswitches.
i don't remember the details but it may have had a few relays that would
be triggered by the switches when it ran into something.
I haven't looked at magazines of that genre recently but they had a lot of >off the wall projects like Make magazine on steroids. Build a hydroplane
out of plywood? A sports car out of junkyard pieces? Got you covered.
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