• Crashing ivory towers: Computer Algebra (Re: From Framing toMirroring [AI Boom])

    From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to comp.lang.prolog on Fri Oct 31 11:48:40 2025
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    Hi,

    The novel enviroment of the AI Boom has even
    reached some ivory towers of symbolic
    rational reasoning, such as computer algebra:

    "The SCML publishing forum is dedicated to
    all research that strives to combine Symbolic
    Computation (SC) and Machine Learning (ML)
    as two major approaches to "Artificial Intelligence",
    in particular the application of ML to SC, the
    application of SC to ML, and the hybrid combination of
    SC and ML to solving problems. We consider
    submissions that explore the interaction between
    the two fields - not standalone works on either SC or ML." https://scml.risc.jku.at

    My speculation, it will also cause a futhrer iteration of
    Generative AI in Architecture. Architecture saw already
    booms of Generative AI in the past. But we might find novel
    AI boom techniques more ubiquitious in tools like for example:

    Introduction to Family Editor
    This video introduces the Revit 2015 Family
    Editor by creating a simple table.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLnnosXurxk

    Disclaimer: Didn't check what is already around

    Not only Architecture, also most Engineering will be
    affected. We already see in certain domains faster
    time to market of fancy product variants. No wonder
    Elon Musk presented DGX Sparc in a SpaceX hangar.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    The English had Aristoteles (*), the French had
    Descartes, and the Dutch have their national
    Flag. The culmination of the Enlighment was

    the distinction between analytic and synthetic
    truth. But this doesn't help to understand
    Generative AI, which produces a mish mash

    of the factual and the plausible. But the logical
    and non-logical distinction lead to abominations
    like ascribing to Wittgenstein the maxim,

    "All logical differences are big differences", with
    the even worse conjecture "All nonlogical differences
    are small differences". But an early conceptual

    prototype of ChatGPT was given by:

    "Mirror (**) Mirror on the Wall who is the Fairest of them All?"
    - Snow White, Brothers Grim

    So its all about retrieving mirror texts and images and
    transforming them, the retrieval having good old metrics like
    recall and precision, and the transformation having also metrics,

    metrics all relative to a group preferences assumption of
    the end-user, so that the end-user can more cost effictively
    and more market penetratingly act, in a totally

    new AI Boom infected environment.

    Bye

    (*)
    we have powers and faculties fitted to deal with
    them, and are **happy or miserable** in proportion
    as we know how to **frame** a right judgment of things
    The elements of logic. In four books
    by Duncan, William, 1717-1760 https://archive.org/details/elementsoflogic00dunc/page/n5/mode/2up

    (**)

    An earlier version of "Mirrors" (Chapter 7) was written for a
    volume in honor of Thomas A. Sebeok (He was among the
    founders of biosemiotics, and coined the term "zoosemiotics"
    in 1963 to describe the development of signals and signs by
    non-human animal species) for his sixty-fifth birthday.
    Umberto Eco, ''Semiotics and the Philosophy of Language'',
    Bloomington: Indiana U.P., 1984 https://monoskop.org/images/b/b3/Eco_Umberto_Semiotics_and_the_Philosophy_of_Language_1986.pdf


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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to comp.lang.prolog on Fri Oct 31 14:32:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.prolog

    Hi,

    Ok I wasn't day dreaming. The fusion happens already:

    Using ChatGPT to Develop Revit Families https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkm8Ed9djmM

    And what impressed Bruno Buchberger? Maybe this here:

    Is ChatGPT Smarter Than Master’s Applicants? https://www3.risc.jku.at/publications/download/risc_6684/23-04.pdf

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    The novel enviroment of the AI Boom has even
    reached some ivory towers of symbolic
    rational reasoning, such as computer algebra:

    "The SCML publishing forum is dedicated to
    all research that strives to combine Symbolic
    Computation (SC) and Machine Learning (ML)
    as two major approaches to "Artificial Intelligence",
    in particular the application of ML to SC, the
    application of SC to ML, and the hybrid combination of
    SC and ML to solving problems. We consider
    submissions that explore the interaction between
    the two fields - not standalone works on either SC or ML." https://scml.risc.jku.at

    My speculation, it will also cause a futhrer iteration of
    Generative AI in Architecture. Architecture saw already
    booms of Generative AI in the past. But we might find novel
    AI boom techniques more ubiquitious in tools like for example:

    Introduction to Family Editor
    This video introduces the Revit 2015 Family
    Editor by creating a simple table. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLnnosXurxk

    Disclaimer: Didn't check what is already around

    Not only Architecture, also most Engineering will be
    affected. We already see in certain domains faster
    time to market of fancy product variants. No wonder
    Elon Musk presented DGX Sparc in a SpaceX hangar.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    The English had Aristoteles (*), the French had
    Descartes, and the Dutch have their national
    Flag. The culmination of the Enlighment was

    the distinction between analytic and synthetic
    truth. But this doesn't help to understand
    Generative AI, which produces a mish mash

    of the factual and the plausible. But the logical
    and non-logical distinction lead to abominations
    like ascribing to Wittgenstein the maxim,

    "All logical differences are big differences", with
    the even worse conjecture "All nonlogical differences
    are small differences". But an early conceptual

    prototype of ChatGPT was given by:

    "Mirror (**) Mirror on the Wall who is the Fairest of them All?"
    - Snow White, Brothers Grim

    So its all about retrieving mirror texts and images and
    transforming them, the retrieval having good old metrics like
    recall and precision, and the transformation having also metrics,

    metrics all relative to a group preferences assumption of
    the end-user, so that the end-user can more cost effictively
    and more market penetratingly act, in a totally

    new AI Boom infected environment.

    Bye

    (*)
    we have powers and faculties fitted to deal with
    them, and are **happy or miserable** in proportion
    as we know how to **frame** a right judgment of things
    The elements of logic. In four books
    by Duncan, William, 1717-1760
    https://archive.org/details/elementsoflogic00dunc/page/n5/mode/2up

    (**)

    An earlier version of "Mirrors" (Chapter 7) was written for a
    volume in honor of Thomas A. Sebeok (He was among the
    founders of biosemiotics, and coined the term "zoosemiotics"
    in 1963 to describe the development of signals and signs by
    non-human animal species) for his sixty-fifth birthday.
    Umberto Eco, ''Semiotics and the Philosophy of Language'',
    Bloomington: Indiana U.P., 1984
    https://monoskop.org/images/b/b3/Eco_Umberto_Semiotics_and_the_Philosophy_of_Language_1986.pdf



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