Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that
means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7
64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
... and over time I've increasingly been noticing similar problems in
Linux, though I haven't tried that particular site under that OS.
Sites that don't work any more in Pale Moon include my bank, my
website host, eBay, Tesco, etc.
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser
that would load the sites above successfully?
X-post for Linux & Windows as this is about cross-OS browser support ...
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7 64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
... and over time I've increasingly been noticing similar problems in
Linux, though I haven't tried that particular site under that OS. Sites that don't work any more in Pale Moon include my bank, my website host, eBay, Tesco, etc.
I could just use the latest version 115.9.1esr of Firefox, which loads
all of them just fine ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Firefox.jpg
... but my reason for using Pale Moon in the first place is that I find Firefox quite resource heavy by comparison.
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser that would load the sites above successfully?
On 05/04/2024 13:32, Java Jive wrote:
X-post for Linux & Windows as this is about cross-OS browser support ...
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that
means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7
64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
[snip]
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser
that would load the sites above successfully?
Tried ebay & YT with the latest PM and cannotfind any faults. Appears to work with no issue. There was an issue once with NextCloud, but that has been fixed as it appears.
On 05/04/2024 14:06, Goetz Schultz wrote:
On 05/04/2024 13:32, Java Jive wrote:
X-post for Linux & Windows as this is about cross-OS browser support ... >>>
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that
means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7
64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
[snip]
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser
that would load the sites above successfully?
Tried ebay & YT with the latest PM and cannotfind any faults. Appears
to work with no issue. There was an issue once with NextCloud, but
that has been fixed as it appears.
That's odd. EBay has had a problem signing in for some time, but the problem with YouTube definitely began for me around mid-afternoon
yesterday, although it was the same version and session of PM as in the morning, then I tried closing and relaunching, etc, but the results have been consistently the same since then. I have YesScript & UBlock Origin loaded, but they've never been a problem before, and temporarily
disabling the latter (the former is disabled by default, it is only
invoked on the user activating it for a site, which I haven't) didn't achieve anything.
What version of PM are you using, and what do you get for this URL?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ukraine+war&sp=CAI%253D
I did a bit of looking around and decided on Ungoogled Chromium
as an alternate in a pinch. I have no preferred alternate to FF.
UGC is too much like Chrome to use normally. It's now actually
impossible to get a title bar or menu bar. The former I can
live with. But being forced to take several steps down
from a hamburger menu that's designed for cellphones, with
no possible justification, is just too crazy for regular use. In
general I dislike the lack of control in Chrom*. (I also tried
to remove the experiments icon on the toolbar. So far no luck.
In FF I just drag such things out of the window and into the
customization window.)
And I had to jump through hoops to install extensions in UGC.
Google won't allow downloading them without an account. (!)
So there's a custom extension for getting extensions from the
Google Store. :)
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote
|
| I don't _think_ I've got that one - what does it look like?
|
Like a chemistry flask. The kind that's wide at the bottom.
There are options there to deny taking part in their spyware.
I don't know how that fits with the Ungoogled people. I'm
not exactly clear how it's unGoogled. Though I very much
liked that it didn't assign me a search engine. Civility is
always a good sign. :)
X-post for Linux & Windows as this is about cross-OS browser support ...
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7 64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
.... and over time I've increasingly been noticing similar problems in Linux, though I haven't tried that particular site under that OS. Sites that don't work any more in Pale Moon include my bank, my website host, eBay, Tesco, etc.
I could just use the latest version 115.9.1esr of Firefox, which loads
all of them just fine ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Firefox.jpg
.... but my reason for using Pale Moon in the first place is that I find Firefox quite resource heavy by comparison.
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser that would load the sites above successfully?
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote
|
| I don't _think_ I've got that one - what does it look like?
|
Like a chemistry flask. The kind that's wide at the bottom.
There are options there to deny taking part in their spyware.
I don't know how that fits with the Ungoogled people. I'm
not exactly clear how it's unGoogled. Though I very much
liked that it didn't assign me a search engine. Civility is
always a good sign. :)
Everyone knows what a beaker looks like. What some don't know, is when
the beakers get big enough (four liters), they're easy to break just by heating them
too fast. If you wanted to boil four liters of water that way, it might be >safer to tie the flat-bottomed heater to a variac, and bring it up slowly. >The small beakers are much more dependable. And of course, in the lab, everyone
enjoys four liters of scalding hot water going everywhere in an instant.
X-post for Linux & Windows as this is about cross-OS browser support ...
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7 64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
... and over time I've increasingly been noticing similar problems in
Linux, though I haven't tried that particular site under that OS. Sites that don't work any more in Pale Moon include my bank, my website host, eBay, Tesco, etc.
I could just use the latest version 115.9.1esr of Firefox, which loads
all of them just fine ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Firefox.jpg
... but my reason for using Pale Moon in the first place is that I find Firefox quite resource heavy by comparison.
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser that would load the sites above successfully?
On 4/5/2024 5:29 PM, Newyana2 wrote:[]
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote
|
| I don't _think_ I've got that one - what does it look like?
|
Like a chemistry flask. The kind that's wide at the bottom.
The Florence flask is round on the bottom. This makes it a bit tippy. I >don't like these.
https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=800&id=NMAH-ET2015-06888
The Erlenmeyer flask has a kind of vaguely triangular bottom. This is
the workhorse flask. <===
https://www.scientificglassservices.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/erl >enmeyer-flask.jpg.webp
Distillations are done with ground glass fitted "round bottomed[]
Everyone knows what a beaker looks like. What some don't know, is when[]
The small beakers are much more dependable. And of course, in the lab, everyone[]
What's interesting, is every one of those I look up is "out of stock".
How... unusual :-) This is why ghetto chemists make Meth in two liter
Coke bottles. That's the standard vessel of a ghetto chemist. If
you see an icon of a shaken Coke bottle, that means "Ghetto Chemistry".
Paul
On 2024-04-05, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser that
would load the sites above successfully?
I switched to Librewolf a while ago, there is a windows version, it is
much like FF but lighter and more secure.
On 05/04/2024 19:23, Java Jive wrote:
That's odd. EBay has had a problem signing in for some time, but the
problem with YouTube definitely began for me around mid-afternoon
yesterday, although it was the same version and session of PM as in
the morning, then I tried closing and relaunching, etc, but the
results have been consistently the same since then. I have YesScript
& UBlock Origin loaded, but they've never been a problem before, and
temporarily disabling the latter (the former is disabled by default,
it is only invoked on the user activating it for a site, which I
haven't) didn't achieve anything.
What version of PM are you using, and what do you get for this URL?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ukraine+war&sp=CAI%253D
should have mentioned, I am on the Linux side (Fedora 38) with PM 33.0.2.
The link comes back with search results - also µBlockOrigin and eMatriz installed and active.
"Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote
| Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that means
| that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7 64-bit ...
|
Not surprising. PM is based on the Goanna engine. Script
is changing so fast that nothing but FF is keeping up. I
now find pages in New Moon (PM for XP) are sometimes
completely blank because the page is essentially javascript
software and NM can't make sense of it.
I was going to install PM as an alternate on Win10, but then
I realized they also have few extensions. They block NoScript
because they're afraid people might blame broken pages on
PM when they block script. In brief, PM isn't what it used to be.
For years PM/NM has been my preferred browser.
I did a bit of looking around and decided on Ungoogled Chromium
as an alternate in a pinch. I have no preferred alternate to FF.
UGC is too much like Chrome to use normally. It's now actually
impossible to get a title bar or menu bar. The former I can
live with. But being forced to take several steps down
from a hamburger menu that's designed for cellphones, with
no possible justification, is just too crazy for regular use. In
general I dislike the lack of control in Chrom*. (I also tried
to remove the experiments icon on the toolbar. So far no luck.
In FF I just drag such things out of the window and into the
customization window.)
And I had to jump through hoops to install extensions in UGC.
Google won't allow downloading them without an account. (!)
So there's a custom extension for getting extensions from the
Google Store. :)
I'll likely use UGC only for rare occasions where FF has
a problem.
I used Waterfox for awhile. It seemed fine, but not notably
attractive in any way. The PM/NM browsers have been attractive in
being leaner and faster than FF.
https://www.scientificglassservices.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/erl
enmeyer-flask.jpg.webp
I think that's what Newyana2 meant.
Am 05.04.2024 schrieb Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>:
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that
means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7
64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
Look in the F12 error console. Maybe post in the Pale Moon forum, so
they can fix it.
Is there any subject you _don't_ know something about! [Or are you a meth cook ... (-:] Though I too like to know a little about a lot. Generally makes people suspicious, I've found!
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 21:03:01 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Everyone knows what a beaker looks like. What some don't know, is when
the beakers get big enough (four liters), they're easy to break just by heating them
too fast. If you wanted to boil four liters of water that way, it might be >> safer to tie the flat-bottomed heater to a variac, and bring it up slowly. >> The small beakers are much more dependable. And of course, in the lab, everyone
enjoys four liters of scalding hot water going everywhere in an instant.
In grade school science class, we were heating some kind of potassium compound,
bringing it to a boil and capturing the hydrogen that boiled off. The teacher warned us not to turn the Bunsen burners up too far, so of course my lab partner
cranked up the heat to see what would happen and it exploded. I had glass embedded from my left wrist up to my shoulder. I was famous for the rest of the
day.
On 4/6/2024 12:56 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 21:03:01 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Everyone knows what a beaker looks like. What some don't know, is when
the beakers get big enough (four liters), they're easy to break just by heating them
too fast. If you wanted to boil four liters of water that way, it might be >>> safer to tie the flat-bottomed heater to a variac, and bring it up slowly. >>> The small beakers are much more dependable. And of course, in the lab, everyone
enjoys four liters of scalding hot water going everywhere in an instant.
In grade school science class, we were heating some kind of potassium compound,
bringing it to a boil and capturing the hydrogen that boiled off. The teacher
warned us not to turn the Bunsen burners up too far, so of course my lab partner
cranked up the heat to see what would happen and it exploded. I had glass
embedded from my left wrist up to my shoulder. I was famous for the rest of the
day.
Your lab partner, presumably being clever enough to run away before it went off :-)
A good lab partner will do that.
On 05/04/2024 13:39, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 05.04.2024 schrieb Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>:
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that
means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7
64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
Look in the F12 error console. Maybe post in the Pale Moon forum, so
they can fix it.
Thanks, done. This is what I see:
Content Security Policy: Couldn’t process unknown directive ‘require-trusted-types-for’
(unknown)
Content Security Policy: Couldn’t parse invalid host 'report-sample' (unknown)
Content Security Policy: Ignoring “'unsafe-inline'” within script-src or style-src: nonce-source or hash-source specified
(unknown)
LegacyDataMixin will be applied to all legacy elements.
Set `_legacyUndefinedCheck: true` on element class to enable. desktop_polymer.js:5155:
On 06/04/2024 14:04, Java Jive wrote:
On 05/04/2024 13:39, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 05.04.2024 schrieb Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>:
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that
means that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7
64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
Look in the F12 error console. Maybe post in the Pale Moon forum, so
they can fix it.
Thanks, done. This is what I see:
Content Security Policy: Couldn’t process unknown directive
‘require-trusted-types-for’
(unknown)
Content Security Policy: Couldn’t parse invalid host 'report-sample'
(unknown)
Content Security Policy: Ignoring “'unsafe-inline'” within script-src >> or style-src: nonce-source or hash-source specified
(unknown)
LegacyDataMixin will be applied to all legacy elements.
Set `_legacyUndefinedCheck: true` on element class to enable.
desktop_polymer.js:5155:
In the Pale Moon Forum the answer that came back was to try recreating
my profile. I created a clean test profile and YouTube worked in it, so now I've copied most of my settings from the old profile to the new one
- a thorough bore to do, but most of the sites are working again now:
Now working:
My bank
My web host's control panel and online email
YouTube
Still not working:
Tesco
It's still a mystery why YouTube should suddenly have stopped working in
the middle of a session without my apparently doing anything to make it happen, but I guess that's Chaos Theory for you.
For those for whom it might be useful ...
As there doesn't seem to be a Pale Moon equivalent of the Firefox switch
to create a profile, or at least I couldn't find documentation of one, directly edit the file ...
"%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\--
Moonchild Productions\Pale Moon\profiles.ini"
.... and copy the section for the old profile into a new section,
increasing the profile number, changing the name to something memorable, giving it a suitable path. Create the subdirectory for the specified path. Then see the next section for how to load the profile.
To load two profiles simultaneously, use command-line switches of the following form (the -no-remote switch ensures that the two windows do
not share code instances and therefore cannot corrupt each other):
"<path>\palemoon.exe" --no-remote -P <profile name>
To copy important features between profiles (for the first, the
passwords, you should be signed out of both profiles when doing so) ...
Passwords:
Copy from the old profile to the new ...
logins.json
key4.db
key3.db (possibly redundant now)
signons.sqlite (possibly redundant now)
Bookmarks:
Choose Bookmarks, Organise Bookmarks, Import and Backup:
Backup -> Restore overwrites any bookmarks in the new profile
Export -> Import adds your old bookmarks to the new profile
To copy add-ons such as extensions, copy relevant *.xpi files between
the profiles, then for each choose Tools, Add-ons, click the
Gear/Cog-wheel button towards the top-right, and choose Install Add-on
From File.
On 2024-04-05, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
X-post for Linux & Windows as this is about cross-OS browser support ...
Sometime yesterday YouTube changed something about their site that means
that now it breaks in the latest v33.0.2 of Pale Moon on W7 64-bit ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Pale_Moon.jpg
... and over time I've increasingly been noticing similar problems in
Linux, though I haven't tried that particular site under that OS. Sites
that don't work any more in Pale Moon include my bank, my website host,
eBay, Tesco, etc.
I could just use the latest version 115.9.1esr of Firefox, which loads
all of them just fine ...
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/YouTube_Firefox.jpg
... but my reason for using Pale Moon in the first place is that I find
Firefox quite resource heavy by comparison.
What are suggestions for a reasonably light-weight cross-OS browser that
would load the sites above successfully?
I switched to Librewolf a while ago, there is a windows version, it is
much like FF but lighter and more secure.
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