• buggy MS intellimouse driver?

    From David Chmelik@dchmelik@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux on Mon Mar 11 06:35:22 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    We use many GNU/Linux with MS Intellimouse (four-button) from late 1990s Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 (mostly relatively new overstock) to recent
    years so-called Classic Intellimouse. Since 2010s we've had more & more problems with these and I wonder if the driver has serious/critical bugs.

    We've used them (since 1997) on Slackware, Devuan, Kubuntu, Mint, KDE Neon GNU/Linuxes and I also tested OpenSUSE, RedHat/clones (Rocky, Fedora),
    Gentoo, Arch (SystemRescue) GNU/Linuxes.

    Daily on every single one, occasionally/regularly mouse moves intermittently/'choppy' or even stops for maybe 10 to 30+secs or just permanently until unplug & replug or restarting X or rebooting. It
    happens with both Intellimouse Explorer & 'Classic'.

    My parents thought the problem might be mouse-pad, so they removed it and
    used mouse on table, which didn't fix anything. We noticed Intellimouse Classic doesn't seem to work much at all (unusable) on standard/classic
    blue mouse-pads but works on a white one (better than on a table that
    looks like woodgrain).

    I also use plain two-button USB MS mice mostly on servers I don't use GUI much if at all, so don't know it's a general MS mouse problem but their
    other mice have different drivers (when you install Slackware you select
    from MS Intellimouse or other USB or PS/2 mice).

    We also briefly tested Wayland possibly with same problem, but don't
    consider it 'production ready' for many reasons (nor do some/many others).

    The 'choppy' Intellimouse problem has happened across at least six
    different desktop PCs (and maybe some laptops) on every GNU/Linux they have/had. I don't notice the problem on FreeBSD UNIX (which of course originally is designed/standardized/engineered with a plan ahead of time instead of 'make it up as you go along').

    Did anyone else have this happen and is there any solution or anywhere I
    can report bugs?
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux on Mon Mar 11 13:21:32 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-03-11 07:35, David Chmelik wrote:
    We use many GNU/Linux with MS Intellimouse (four-button) from late 1990s Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 (mostly relatively new overstock) to recent
    years so-called Classic Intellimouse. Since 2010s we've had more & more problems with these and I wonder if the driver has serious/critical bugs.

    We've used them (since 1997) on Slackware, Devuan, Kubuntu, Mint, KDE Neon GNU/Linuxes and I also tested OpenSUSE, RedHat/clones (Rocky, Fedora), Gentoo, Arch (SystemRescue) GNU/Linuxes.

    Daily on every single one, occasionally/regularly mouse moves intermittently/'choppy' or even stops for maybe 10 to 30+secs or just permanently until unplug & replug or restarting X or rebooting. It
    happens with both Intellimouse Explorer & 'Classic'.

    My parents thought the problem might be mouse-pad, so they removed it and used mouse on table, which didn't fix anything. We noticed Intellimouse Classic doesn't seem to work much at all (unusable) on standard/classic
    blue mouse-pads but works on a white one (better than on a table that
    looks like woodgrain).

    I also use plain two-button USB MS mice mostly on servers I don't use GUI much if at all, so don't know it's a general MS mouse problem but their
    other mice have different drivers (when you install Slackware you select
    from MS Intellimouse or other USB or PS/2 mice).

    We also briefly tested Wayland possibly with same problem, but don't
    consider it 'production ready' for many reasons (nor do some/many others).

    The 'choppy' Intellimouse problem has happened across at least six
    different desktop PCs (and maybe some laptops) on every GNU/Linux they have/had. I don't notice the problem on FreeBSD UNIX (which of course originally is designed/standardized/engineered with a plan ahead of time instead of 'make it up as you go along').

    Did anyone else have this happen and is there any solution or anywhere I
    can report bugs?

    Each distribution has its own bug system. I know that on openSUSE you
    could report this on its Bugzilla system. They would probably tell you
    to report upstream somewhere.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From candycanearter07@candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid to alt.comp.os.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux on Mon Mar 11 17:10:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    David Chmelik <dchmelik@gmail.com> wrote at 06:35 this Monday (GMT):
    We use many GNU/Linux with MS Intellimouse (four-button) from late 1990s Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 (mostly relatively new overstock) to recent
    years so-called Classic Intellimouse. Since 2010s we've had more & more problems with these and I wonder if the driver has serious/critical bugs.

    We've used them (since 1997) on Slackware, Devuan, Kubuntu, Mint, KDE Neon GNU/Linuxes and I also tested OpenSUSE, RedHat/clones (Rocky, Fedora), Gentoo, Arch (SystemRescue) GNU/Linuxes.

    Daily on every single one, occasionally/regularly mouse moves intermittently/'choppy' or even stops for maybe 10 to 30+secs or just permanently until unplug & replug or restarting X or rebooting. It
    happens with both Intellimouse Explorer & 'Classic'.

    My parents thought the problem might be mouse-pad, so they removed it and used mouse on table, which didn't fix anything. We noticed Intellimouse Classic doesn't seem to work much at all (unusable) on standard/classic
    blue mouse-pads but works on a white one (better than on a table that
    looks like woodgrain).

    I also use plain two-button USB MS mice mostly on servers I don't use GUI much if at all, so don't know it's a general MS mouse problem but their other mice have different drivers (when you install Slackware you select from MS Intellimouse or other USB or PS/2 mice).

    We also briefly tested Wayland possibly with same problem, but don't consider it 'production ready' for many reasons (nor do some/many others).

    The 'choppy' Intellimouse problem has happened across at least six
    different desktop PCs (and maybe some laptops) on every GNU/Linux they have/had. I don't notice the problem on FreeBSD UNIX (which of course originally is designed/standardized/engineered with a plan ahead of time instead of 'make it up as you go along').

    Did anyone else have this happen and is there any solution or anywhere I
    can report bugs?

    I have the same bug with a modern Logitech mouse, though unplugging it
    from the USB-C hub and directly into my laptop fixes it.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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  • From David Chmelik@dchmelik@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux on Thu Mar 21 11:57:09 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:10:01 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
    David Chmelik <dchmelik@gmail.com> wrote at 06:35 this Monday (GMT):
    We use many GNU/Linux with MS Intellimouse (four-button) from late
    1990s Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 (mostly relatively new overstock) to
    recent years so-called Classic Intellimouse. Since 2010s we've had
    more & more problems with these and I wonder if the driver has
    serious/critical bugs.

    We've used them (since 1997) on Slackware, Devuan, Kubuntu, Mint, KDE
    Neon GNU/Linuxes and I also tested OpenSUSE, RedHat/clones (Rocky,
    Fedora), Gentoo, Arch (SystemRescue) GNU/Linuxes.

    Daily on every single one, occasionally/regularly mouse moves
    intermittently/'choppy' or even stops for maybe 10 to 30+secs or just
    permanently until unplug & replug or restarting X or rebooting. It
    happens with both Intellimouse Explorer & 'Classic'.

    My parents thought the problem might be mouse-pad, so they removed it
    and used mouse on table, which didn't fix anything. We noticed
    Intellimouse Classic doesn't seem to work much at all (unusable) on
    standard/classic blue mouse-pads but works on a white one (better than
    on a table that looks like woodgrain).

    I also use plain two-button USB MS mice mostly on servers I don't use
    GUI much if at all, so don't know it's a general MS mouse problem but
    their other mice have different drivers (when you install Slackware you
    select from MS Intellimouse or other USB or PS/2 mice).

    We also briefly tested Wayland possibly with same problem, but don't
    consider it 'production ready' for many reasons (nor do some/many
    others).

    The 'choppy' Intellimouse problem has happened across at least six
    different desktop PCs (and maybe some laptops) on every GNU/Linux they
    have/had. I don't notice the problem on FreeBSD UNIX (which of course
    originally is designed/standardized/engineered with a plan ahead of
    time instead of 'make it up as you go along').

    Did anyone else have this happen and is there any solution or anywhere
    I can report bugs?

    I have the same bug with a modern Logitech mouse, though unplugging it
    from the USB-C hub and directly into my laptop fixes it.

    Apparently it's often caused by dirty mice... optical ones get dirty by
    dust and other stuff getting in the hole underneath, which needs blowing
    out.
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