This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update my >Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free was >telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their Premium >(i.e. PAID) Version??
TIA.
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65
wrote:
This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update
my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
TIA.
Have you tired "Shields Up":
https://www.grc.com/shieldsup
It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind
(Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
responses to requests it send.
Jeff Gaines wrote on 28/2/24 7:26 pm:
On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65No, I haven't. Should I?? I've used AVG for years and, as far as I or
wrote:
This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update
my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their >>>Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
TIA.
Have you tired "Shields Up":
https://www.grc.com/shieldsup
It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet >>communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.
AVG knows, I haven't had any problems.
As I suggest, I think it's just AVG trying to get a few Bucks out of me,
On 28/02/2024 in message <urn8l1$3sjhr$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65 wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote on 28/2/24 7:26 pm:
On 28/02/2024 in message <urmmlr$3nrhq$1@dont-email.me> Daniel65No, I haven't. Should I?? I've used AVG for years and, as far as I or
wrote:
This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update
my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
TIA.
Have you tired "Shields Up":
https://www.grc.com/shieldsup
It shows me my IP address (as allocated by my ISP) but Internet
communication depends on that so I think it's just how things work.
AVG knows, I haven't had any problems.
As I suggest, I think it's just AVG trying to get a few Bucks out of me,
It would give you a second opinion. I'm not sure how you expect anything
on the Internet to communicate with you if it doesn't know your IP address.
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their Premium >> (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
This afternoon, I am on my Win7 Installation, basically to update my Anti-Virus (AVG-Free).
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
TIA.
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind
(Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?
Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
(local 192.168*/127.* and public ip).
Vaugeness really makes you assume the worst here.
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind
(Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
candycanearter07,
Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?
I wouldn't know, I can't remember having ever used it.
Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
(local 192.168*/127.* and public ip).
And that a PC will spew all kinds of IP related data on a LAN just to let others on it know its there.
Vaugeness really makes you assume the worst here.
Yep. Hence my FUD remark. :-)
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind
(Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so that
they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what UserName/Password I
have to send to get access to my UseNet account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to
mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your
'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
nothing wrong with that.
There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
Same as if you send a paper letter.
Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the
router, not the address of your computer. The router does the
translation in both directions.
AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
packet sent or received.
Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
information instead. Depends who you trust more.
They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly subscription they did not need.
Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
[...]
They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
subscription they did not need.
Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
effect, a VPN??
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your E-S username and password
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', AVG-Free
was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me their
Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how it
impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to mind
(Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can 'see'
your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your 'puter the
responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to
mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your
'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
nothing wrong with that.
There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
Same as if you send a paper letter.
Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address
translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the
router, not the address of your computer. The router does the
translation in both directions.
AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
packet sent or received.
Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
information instead. Depends who you trust more.
They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
subscription they did not need.
Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
effect, a VPN??
Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to
mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your
'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
nothing wrong with that.
There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
Same as if you send a paper letter.
Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the router, not the address of your computer. The router does the translation in both directions.
AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
packet sent or received.
Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
information instead. Depends who you trust more.
They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
subscription they did not need.
Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in effect, a VPN??
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and
how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
E-S username and password
On 2/29/2024 3:55 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote on 29/2/24 5:35 am:
On 2024-02-28 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog me
their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and how
it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD comes to
mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give your
'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address so
that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet account
with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
When your computer interacts with any other computer on internet, to,
send an email, send a news post, read a web page, see a video... all
those machines see your IP address. It is how it works, there is
nothing wrong with that.
There is a conversation between the two computer. Your computer sends
a packet, the other computer answers with another packet. It has to
know where to send that packet to, ie, your address.
Same as if you send a paper letter.
Ok, there is a router at your house that is doing a NAT, an address translation. So the other computer in fact sees the address of the router, not the address of your computer. The router does the translation in both directions.
AVG is probably trying to sell you an VPN, to put an intermediary in
the connection. The other computer now will see the intermediary
address, not yours. The intermediary does a translation for every
packet sent or received.
Some people say that what they seek is privacy (which is not the same
as security). They do not want their ISP to get stats on your traffic
which they may sell. Ok, but then the VPN manager gets that
information instead. Depends who you trust more.
They get money on this. They try to scare you into thinking that you
really need to "hide" behind an VPN intermediary. That it is
dangerous to not use an VPN. They sell it to people that then do not
use it because they don't know how. I had to tell friends, that asked
me to activate that VPN thing, fo forget it and cancel that silly
subscription they did not need.
Some people may need it, but then they do know about it.
O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the
UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in effect, a VPN??
WAN IP
Daniel65 ------ router --------------------------- E-S The E-S admin can tell
192.168.1.2 (home) 1.2.3.4 where you are (more or less*)
WAN IP (India)
Daniel65 ------ router ------------- VPN --------- E-S The E-S admin can tell
192.168.1.2 (home) 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 you're in India.
Your WAN IP identifies your house. Or something.
This is presumably the "FUD" model that AVG is using.
Real life is much more complicated than this.
Paul
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and
how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote at 18:32 this Wednesday (GMT):
candycanearter07,
Isn't AVG kinda infamous for this kind of thing?
I wouldn't know, I can't remember having ever used it.
Not to mention that there's multiple kinds of ip's
(local 192.168*/127.* and public ip).
And that a PC will spew all kinds of IP related data on a LAN just to let
others on it know its there.
Huh, I didn't know it broadcasted an IP.
On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and
how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password
at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to the UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S, in
effect, a VPN??
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:>
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and
how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password
at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see--
that.
candycanearter07 wrote:
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
.........................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ .........................*********************
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and
how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can
'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your
E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF
they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password
at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
On 2/29/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT): >>> On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:>
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan',
AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog
me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and
how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD
comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can >>>>>>>>> 'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give
your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address >>>>>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your >>>>> E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF >>>> they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was
with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password >>> at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
Use Wireshark.
Connect to E-S on port 119.
What do you see go by ?
Your USER and PASS.
Port 119 is an example of "doesn't do security".
On 2024-03-01 03:33, Paul wrote:
On 2/29/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT): >>>> On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:>
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', >>>>>>>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible.
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog >>>>>>>>>>> me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and >>>>>>>>>> how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD >>>>>>>>>> comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can >>>>>>>>>> 'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give >>>>>>>>>> your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address >>>>>>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your >>>>>> E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF >>>>> they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was >>>>> with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password >>>> at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
Use Wireshark.
Connect to E-S on port 119.
What do you see go by ?
Your USER and PASS.
Port 119 is an example of "doesn't do security".
Change news provider and/or client :-)
Daniel65 wrote:
O.K., so if AVG are trying to flog me a VPN ..... I'm connecting to
the UseNet via my TelCo (TPG) and then to Eternal-September. Are E-S,
in effect, a VPN??
Typically, when you connect to your NSP news service provider you are connecting via your ISP connectivity provider TPG. Some NSP's (not E-S) 'stamp' your news message here w/ your connectivity provider's
connecting IP. That IP may be associated w/ your geolocation, such as
your 'home town' or city. Some people don't like for their real name or their real email address or their ISP or their home city exposed to
others on usenet.
Usenet is more anonymizing than social media because you don't have to expose your ISP IP, real email address or a city or an email address if
you don't want to, but you can if you want to.
Selling VPN service has become an enterprise, so various entities like
to do whatever they can to convince you that having a VPN is better than not. Many/most of us know that we don't need a VPN to hide our IP from entities which we contact online such as NSP or webserver.
AVG is just another one selling VPN service.
On 2/29/2024 11:11 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-03-01 03:33, Paul wrote:
On 2/29/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>> On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:>
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
On 28/02/24 13:28, Daniel65 wrote:
R.Wieser wrote on 28/2/24 8:25 pm:
Daniel65,
When I had updated the definitions and run a 'Deep Scan', >>>>>>>>>>>> AVG-Free was telling me that my IP Address was visible. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Is this a real problem .... or is AVG just trying to flog >>>>>>>>>>>> me their Premium (i.e. PAID) Version??
Them not providing information on when that it happens and >>>>>>>>>>> how it impacts your machine is definitily a red flag. FUD >>>>>>>>>>> comes to mind (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
Heck, if your 'puter has internet access than the router can >>>>>>>>>>> 'see' your puters IP. It has to, otherwise it can't give >>>>>>>>>>> your 'puter the responses to requests it send.
That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address >>>>>>>>>> so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what >>>>>>>>>> UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet >>>>>>>>>> account with them.
That even makes sense to me NOW!!
Thanks.
You're posting this from eternal-september.
Yes, So ..................??
so you are not using your ISP's news server and they don't know your >>>>>>> E-S username and password
Ah!! O.K., my ISP is tpg (https://www.tpg.com.au/) and I don't know IF >>>>>> they even have a news-server as I set up this E-S account when I was >>>>>> with a previous ISP who closed his News Server.
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password >>>>> at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
Use Wireshark.
Connect to E-S on port 119.
What do you see go by ?
Your USER and PASS.
Port 119 is an example of "doesn't do security".
Change news provider and/or client :-)
E-S offers both. This allows really ancient clients which
lack SSL/TLS to connect to the server (119). And there are
people who like the really old client software. There
is no such thing as "too old software" when it
comes to USENET.
It would be like expecting an EMACS user to stop using EMACS.
Not gonna happen.
There is even at least one guy, using an ancient computer
to connect on USENET. So in addition to an old client, even
the OS is something you've never heard of. It takes all kinds.
Paul
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote at 08:42 this Friday (GMT):
E-S offers both. This allows really ancient clients which
lack SSL/TLS to connect to the server (119). And there are
people who like the really old client software. There
is no such thing as "too old software" when it
comes to USENET.
Oh does slrnpull support ssl?
It would be like expecting an EMACS user to stop using EMACS.
Not gonna happen.
Or vim users
On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 10:20:10 -0500, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote at 08:42 this Friday (GMT):
E-S offers both. This allows really ancient clients which
lack SSL/TLS to connect to the server (119). And there are
people who like the really old client software. There
is no such thing as "too old software" when it
comes to USENET.
Oh does slrnpull support ssl?
It would be like expecting an EMACS user to stop using EMACS.
Not gonna happen.
Or vim users
For usenet clients that do no support ssl, stunnel can be used. The
program I'm using does not support it, so I use it.
In /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf I have ...
[nntps]
client=yes
connect=news.eternal-september.org:563
cert=/etc/pki/tls/certs/stunnel.pem
accept=564
TIMEOUTconnect=60
The program I'm using (leafnode) then connects using localhost:564.
In /etc/leafnode/config ...
server = localhost
port = 564
#server = news.eternal-september.org
#port = 119
username = munged
password = munged
timeout = 300
timeout_fetchnews = 300
initialfetch = 500
nodesc = 1
maxage = 5
filterfile = /etc/leafnode/filters
debugmode = 0
create_all_links = 0
allow_8bit_headers = 1
article_despite_filter = 1
noxover = 1
The commented out above were for testing leafnode without using stunnel.
I then have my usenet reader set to collect articles from localhost port 119, without any authentication needed.
Besides encrypting the password, another benefit is that for slow connections it's faster as the encryption includes compression.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
On 2/29/2024 11:11 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-03-01 03:33, Paul wrote:
On 2/29/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 13:06 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>> On 2024-02-29 13:21, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 10:17 pm:
On 29/02/24 09:46, Daniel65 wrote:
immibis wrote on 29/2/24 5:27 am:
The point is that you said:
«That's about how I see it, too. My ISP MUST know my IP address
so that they can know who 'I' am so they can work out what
UserName/Password I have to send to get access to my UseNet
account with them.»
We are telling you that no, they can not work out your username/password >>>>> at anything.
Unless that "anything" doesn't do security.
To be fair, if you send credentials with no encryption they could see
that.
Use Wireshark.
Connect to E-S on port 119.
What do you see go by ?
Your USER and PASS.
Port 119 is an example of "doesn't do security".
Change news provider and/or client :-)
E-S offers both. This allows really ancient clients which
lack SSL/TLS to connect to the server (119). And there are
people who like the really old client software. There
is no such thing as "too old software" when it
comes to USENET.
It would be like expecting an EMACS user to stop using EMACS.--
Not gonna happen.
There is even at least one guy, using an ancient computer
to connect on USENET. So in addition to an old client, even
the OS is something you've never heard of. It takes all kinds.
Paul
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