Did Santronics update Wins templates to be responsive
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RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: ED KOON(1:123/140)

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I think some extra themes people could buy for like 25-40 bucks each might be a nice feature.


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On May 26, 2018 02:37pm, MATT MUNSON wrote to ED KOON:

Did Santronics update Wins templates to be responsive
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I think some extra themes people could buy for like 25-40 bucks each
might be a nice feature.

The future is in mobile devices. Seems everyone has one these days. Messaged Hector about it last year. Winserver 7 was pretty much unusable even with a desktop pc at that time.

In my humble opinion Wins is a good package. Just needs modernization. With
the privacy debacle spreading around the net, it's bbs comeback time. I
blogged this a few minutes ago.

https://www.fidosysop.org/8415/05/docs-place-bbs-fidonet-since-1991/

BBS calls are up since Facebook got blind sided!!

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Did Santronics update Wins templates to be responsive
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Responsive to what?

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On May 26, 2018 07:56pm, Ed Koon wrote to Matt Munson:

On May 26, 2018 02:37pm, MATT MUNSON wrote to ED KOON:

Did Santronics update Wins templates to be responsive
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I think some extra themes people could buy for like 25-40 bucks each
might be a nice feature.

The future is in mobile devices. Seems everyone has one these days. Messaged Hector about it last year. Winserver 7 was pretty much
unusable even with a desktop pc at that time.

In my humble opinion Wins is a good package. Just needs modernization. With the privacy debacle spreading around the net, it's bbs comeback
time. I blogged this a few minutes ago.

Well I would agree with this. However, I think that the burden of this modernization also falls on whether or not the web UI developers WANT to make pages that are mobile-aware. There has to be some give on both sides of equation, IMOH.

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On May 27, 2018 07:23am, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to ED KOON:

Did Santronics update Wins templates to be responsive

Responsive to what?

Seriously??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

My blog https://www.fidosysop.org is running a highly modded theme that's responsive and adjusts it's display width and text size to different screen resolutions. Go to the site and narrow your browser width to see how it works.

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On May 27, 2018 07:41am, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to ED KOON:

In my humble opinion Wins is a good package. Just needs modernization. EK>> With the privacy debacle spreading around the net, it's bbs comeback
time. I blogged this a few minutes ago.

Well I would agree with this. However, I think that the burden of this modernization also falls on whether or not the web UI developers WANT
to make pages that are mobile-aware. There has to be some give on both sides of equation, IMOH.

The web IS responsive. Google now ranks sites on their mobile compatibility.
In fact a good 60% of my traffic is from mobile devices. There's still a
chance BBSes could grab more use if they could be [easily] be accessed by smartphones. Hector had no clue what responsive web design was.

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RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: ED KOON(1:123/140)

The future is in mobile devices. Seems everyone has one these days. Messaged
Hector about it last year. Winserver 7 was pretty much unusable even with

Yea, maybe a 7.1 release with some bug fixes and mobile phone friendly themes for like 79 bucks for 6.x and 7.x users or free with current AUP.
Might be a nice winning idea.


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On May 26, 2018 11:48pm, Matt Munson wrote to Ed Koon:

The future is in mobile devices. Seems everyone has one these days.
Messaged
Hector about it last year. Winserver 7 was pretty much unusable even
with

Yea, maybe a 7.1 release with some bug fixes and mobile phone friendly themes for like 79 bucks for 6.x and 7.x users or free with current AUP. Might be a nice winning idea.

Doubt that will ever happen anytime soon.

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On Jun 02, 2018 05:44pm, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to MATT MUNSON:

Yea, maybe a 7.1 release with some bug fixes and mobile phone friendly MM>> themes for like 79 bucks for 6.x and 7.x users or free with current
AUP.
Might be a nice winning idea.

Doubt that will ever happen anytime soon.

According to santronics.com (still not https) "The latest v7.0 AUP 454.5 (Auto Update Program) for WIN Server was released June 2016."

Tiz a shame.. Winserver is without a doubt a great software package. BUT without responsive or at least a separate mobile theme it way behind the
times.

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On Jun 02, 2018 05:44pm, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to MATT MUNSON:

Yea, maybe a 7.1 release with some bug fixes and mobile phone fr
themes for like 79 bucks for 6.x and 7.x users or free with curr
AUP.
Might be a nice winning idea.

Doubt that will ever happen anytime soon.

According to santronics.com (still not https) "The latest v7.0 AUP
454.5 (Auto Update Program) for WIN Server was released June 2016."

Tiz a shame.. Winserver is without a doubt a great software package.
BUT without responsive or at least a separate mobile theme it way
behind the times.

Possibly. I have to admit, though, it is a shame that they do not release updates to the software more often. If they did, I would consider paying to the AUP again. I think MSI released updates and feature enhancements more often.


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On Jun 04, 2018 10:41am, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to ED KOON:

Tiz a shame.. Winserver is without a doubt a great software package.
BUT without responsive or at least a separate mobile theme it way
behind the times.

Possibly. I have to admit, though, it is a shame that they do not
release updates to the software more often. If they did, I would
consider paying to the AUP again. I think MSI released updates and
feature enhancements more often.

Maybe Hector should sell Winserver to someone capable of taking it to the next generation.

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RE: RE: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: ED KOON(1:123/140)

Maybe Hector should sell Winserver to someone capable of taking it to the next
generation.

Maybe when he stops getting corporate customers he will.


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On Jun 03, 2018 10:17am, MATT MUNSON wrote to ED KOON:

Maybe Hector should sell Winserver to someone capable of taking it to

Maybe when he stops getting corporate customers he will.

Going two years without a single AUP i highly doubt it. Maybe in some third world country running yesterdays hardware possibly, but not here with no
Mobile capibility.

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On Jun 04, 2018 11:42am, Ed Koon wrote to Matt Munson:

On Jun 03, 2018 10:17am, MATT MUNSON wrote to ED KOON:

Maybe Hector should sell Winserver to someone capable of taking it to

Maybe when he stops getting corporate customers he will.

Going two years without a single AUP i highly doubt it. Maybe in some third world country running yesterdays hardware possibly, but not here with no Mobile capibility.

Well, you know what they say -- if you don't like it, use something else.

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On Jun 04, 2018 10:41am, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to ED KOON:

Tiz a shame.. Winserver is without a doubt a great software

package.->> BUT without responsive or at least a separate
mobile theme it way

behind the times.

Possibly. I have to admit, though, it is a shame that they do

notRW> release updates to the software more often. If they
did, I would

consider paying to the AUP again. I think MSI released updates

andRW> feature enhancements more often.

Maybe Hector should sell Winserver to someone capable of
taking it to the next
generation.

Funny you said that. I did send an email to them this weekend about selling winserver off. I do not expect to hear anything back as I do not think they have any interest or do not think I am serious. I did ask about PXWin a few weeks ago but did not get any response on it. I did get a response on my upgrade from win5 to 7.

I understand Fidonet is not their bread and butter but it may be their business
side of things are keeping them quite busy and I can understand the focus on it
vs the hundreds of emails they have received about giving it away, selling it etc.


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RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: ED KOON(1:123/140)

Going two years without a single AUP i highly doubt it. Maybe in some
third
world country running yesterdays hardware possibly, but not here with no Mobile capibility.

If I saw updates happening quarterly I would perhaps pony up the 80 dolalrs for a catch up release or subscribe to the AUP.


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On Jun 04, 2018 11:12pm, MATT MUNSON wrote to ED KOON:

Going two years without a single AUP i highly doubt it. Maybe in some
third world country running yesterdays hardware possibly, but not here

with no Mobile capibility.

If I saw updates happening quarterly I would perhaps pony up the 80
dolalrs for a catch up release or subscribe to the AUP.

I'm in no way attacking the Santos's. But as i see it the BBS scene is on it's last leg. A modern version of the BBS could repopulate our hobbies. As of 2018 there are over 29M WordPress blogs online. It's Sysops comeback time.

Facebook is dropping traffic. Folks will never trust Zuck again, no matter how many TV ads he runs. Our data is how social media makes a profit.

The BBS scene is dying because sysops and Fidonet heads have not kept up with tech. Wildcat / Winserver is the package to update visually to be mobile compatable. I'm not a coder but decent in PHP and HTML. Might be able to whip up a responsive / mobile theme for Wildcat 5. At least it's not calling up javascript files from within it's wcx.

No need for JavaScript.. Thinking that's where Hector ran into problems with Winserver 7 and gave up. For a BBS calling up wcx and html should be all
that's needed.

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If I saw updates happening quarterly I would perhaps pony up the

80MM> dolalrs for a catch up release or subscribe to the
AUP.

I'm in no way attacking the Santos's. But as i see it the
BBS scene is on it's
last leg. A modern version of the BBS could repopulate our
hobbies. As of 2018
there are over 29M WordPress blogs online. It's Sysops
comeback time.

No one is that I know of. He has supported his package for 30+ years. It does get old after a while supporting the same platform for a long period of time. I supported a platform for 10+ years and I was tired of it but again, it was an insurance app, not fidonet.

I would jump on the chance to support WinServer and PXWIN if I could.


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No need for JavaScript.. Thinking that's where Hector ran
into problems with
Winserver 7 and gave up. For a BBS calling up wcx and html
should be all
that's needed.

So what do you want the mobile app to do with WinServer?


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On Jun 05, 2018 07:28pm, DALE BARNES wrote to ED KOON:

No need for JavaScript.. Thinking that's where Hector ran
into problems with
Winserver 7 and gave up. For a BBS calling up wcx and html
should be all
that's needed.

So what do you want the mobile app to do with WinServer?

Thinking abour message base support for smartphones and tablets. No real need to mobilize the file areas.

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On 2018 Jun 06 12:03:08, you wrote to DALE BARNES:

So what do you want the mobile app to do with WinServer?

Thinking abour message base support for smartphones and tablets. No
real need to mobilize the file areas.

there's two of them available... they set up as point systems... what else is needed??

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On Jun 06, 2018 02:49pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to ED KOON:

So what do you want the mobile app to do with WinServer?

Thinking abour message base support for smartphones and tablets. No
real need to mobilize the file areas.

there's two of them available... they set up as point systems... what
else is needed??

Wildcat 5 Winserver Responsive Themes? Where? Got a download link?

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On 2018 Jun 06 15:54:42, you wrote to me:

So what do you want the mobile app to do with WinServer?

Thinking abour message base support for smartphones and tablets. No
real need to mobilize the file areas.

there's two of them available... they set up as point systems... what
else is needed??

Wildcat 5 Winserver Responsive Themes? Where? Got a download link?

no, why would they?? you asked for a mobile app to access messages... that would be a point system and your cat would be the BOSS node... when mail comes in, your tosser would toss it into your cat's messages and pack up the mail for
the point to pick up when it connects like any other FTN node sending or receiving mail with your cat... you don't need anything specific to the cat to access the messages...

bu tmaybe you're asking for a mobile app that is solely used with cat systems??
that would be hard because then all the cats would have to be and look the same
for the app to work... think back to the dedicated terminals required to see the pretty graphics on shotgun and similar BBSes... nothing else supported them...

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Wildcat 5 Winserver Responsive Themes? Where? Got a download link

no, why would they?? you asked for a mobile app to access
messages... that would be a point system and your cat would be the
BOSS node... when mail comes in, your tosser would toss it into your
cat's messages and pack up the mail for the point to pick up when it connects like any other FTN node sending or receiving mail with your
cat... you don't need anything specific to the cat access the
messages...

bu tmaybe you're asking for a mobile app that is solely used with
cat systems?? that would be hard because then all the cats would
have to be and look the same for the app to work... think back to
the dedicated terminals required to see the pretty graphics on
shotgun and similar BBSes... nothing else supported them...

I am thinking he either means 1) a web GUI theme developed for mobile device based web browsers or 2) something like wcNav for mobile devices.


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On Jun 06, 2018 04:17pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to ED KOON:

So what do you want the mobile app to do with WinServer?

Thinking abour message base support for smartphones and tablets. No EK>>>> real need to mobilize the file areas.

there's two of them available... they set up as point systems... what ML>>> else is needed??

Wildcat 5 Winserver Responsive Themes? Where? Got a download link?

no, why would they?? you asked for a mobile app to access messages...
that would be a point system and your cat would be the BOSS node...
when mail comes in, your tosser would toss it into your cat's messages
and pack up the mail for the point to pick up when it connects like any other FTN node sending or receiving mail with your cat... you don't
need anything specific to the cat to access the messages...

Mark, nothing personel, but you missed the point (no pun intended.)

I'm not talking about about tossing routines moving mail etc. The whole idea was to have a mobile compatible bbs. It's in the theme (display template) that adapts from desktop to smartphone tablet compatable, or a dedicated mibile theme that activated by sensing the device used. I'm talking about Wildcat BBS with it's html interface.

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On 2018 Jun 07 08:17:48, you wrote to me:

no, why would they?? you asked for a mobile app to access messages...
that would be a point system and your cat would be the BOSS node...
when mail comes in, your tosser would toss it into your cat's messages
and pack up the mail for the point to pick up when it connects like any
other FTN node sending or receiving mail with your cat... you don't
need anything specific to the cat to access the messages...

Mark, nothing personel, but you missed the point (no pun intended.)

no i didn't, really...

I'm not talking about about tossing routines moving mail etc. The
whole idea was to have a mobile compatible bbs. It's in the theme
(display template) that adapts from desktop to smartphone tablet compatable, or a dedicated mibile theme that activated by sensing the device used. I'm talking about Wildcat BBS with it's html interface.

right, you're talking about a dedicated to only one BBS app instead of one that
is more generic and will/can work with a lot of BBSes... you specifically mentioned message access which is exactly what i pointed to... sure, it ain't "your BBS on my phone" but why would i want that? i just want the messages... the rest is extraneous fluff... no insult or other demeaning property intended...

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On Jun 08, 2018 08:20pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to ED KOON:

Mark, nothing personel, but you missed the point (no pun intended.)

no i didn't, really...

I'm not talking about about tossing routines moving mail etc. The
whole idea was to have a mobile compatible bbs. It's in the theme
(display template) that adapts from desktop to smartphone tablet
compatable, or a dedicated mibile theme that activated by sensing the
device used. I'm talking about Wildcat BBS with it's html interface.

right, you're talking about a dedicated to only one BBS app instead of
one that is more generic and will/can work with a lot of BBSes... you specifically mentioned message access which is exactly what i pointed
to... sure, it ain't "your BBS on my phone" but why would i want that?
i just want the messages... the rest is extraneous fluff... no insult
or other demeaning property intended...

Those android apps you mentioned do not work. Synchronet NNTP works with one app i found but is dog slow with the server running on this old slow pc and bandwidth.

The BBS is dead.. I'm considering shutting this one down at the end of the month.. I could care less any more.. Old antiquated garbage from the 90's!

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The BBS is dead.. I'm considering shutting this one down at the end
of the month.. I could care less any more.. Old antiquated garbage
from the 90's!

Aye, there's the spirit. :( With Facebook on its way out it seems, BBSing may make a comeback.


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RE: RE: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: ED KOON(1:123/140)

The BBS is dead.. I'm considering shutting this one down at the end of
the
month.. I could care less any more.. Old antiquated garbage from the
90's!

You likely could run Mystic with less system resources required.


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RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: Robert Wolfe(1:261/20)

Aye, there's the spirit. :( With Facebook on its way out it seems,
BBSing may
make a comeback.

So much censorship on Facebook especially if you are right winged.


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On Jun 10, 2018 07:18pm, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to ED KOON:

The BBS is dead.. I'm considering shutting this one down at the end
of the month.. I could care less any more.. Old antiquated garbage
from the 90's!

Aye, there's the spirit. :( With Facebook on its way out it seems,
BBSing may make a comeback.

The BBS has no chance of being modernized. Such as an app can be loaded on a smartphone with html photos videos hyperlinks etc. Everyone here is from a bygone era that embraces the good old days.

I've already shut down FidoSysop.org for lack of activity. The BBS is next on the chopping block. It's had a good run but..

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RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: Robert Wolfe(1:261/20)

Aye, there's the spirit. :( With Facebook on its way out it seems,
BBSing may
make a comeback.

So much censorship on Facebook especially if you are right winged.

Not going to argue with you on that point.

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RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: Robert Wolfe(1:261/20)

Not going to argue with you on that point.

Ive had some friends who got facebook bans for 30 days plus where they vanish for periods on over, but maybe if they went into the bbs world we would get more users.


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On Jun 10, 2018 11:12am, Matt Munson wrote to Robert Wolfe:

RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: Robert Wolfe(1:261/20)

Not going to argue with you on that point.

Ive had some friends who got facebook bans for 30 days plus where they vanish for periods on over, but maybe if they went into the bbs world
we would get more users.

Oh, and I would agree with you on that.

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*** Quoting Matt Munson from a message to Robert Wolfe ***

RE: Re: Wildcat Responsive Theme
BY: Robert Wolfe(1:261/20)

Not going to argue with you on that point.

Ive had some friends who got facebook bans for 30 days plus where they
for periods on over, but maybe if they went into the bbs world we woul
more users.

Oh, I totally agree.

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