• Re: The Practical Joker (TAS): my review

    From Graeme@1:2320/105 to All on Tue Nov 15 04:47:29 2011
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
    From Address: graemecree@aol.com
    Subject: Re: The Practical Joker (TAS): my review

    On Nov 14, 1:04apm, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
    "Graeme" <graemec...@aol.com> wrote in message

    news:ade718eb-d20f-451e-ac85-ecde64c1659e@k5g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

    This one is my #4 episode, after Slaver Weapon, Yesteryear, and
    Pirates of Orion. aI still don't buy the idea of a computer
    accidentally becoming sentient, but even Asimov wrote stories around
    that premise, so we can let it pass.

    Computers that unexpectedly become sentient is a staple of science
    fiction for at least 50 years. aLots and lots of short stories, movies,
    and novels. aAlso a couple of TV episodes of "The Twilight Zone."

    An example is "When Harlie Was One," written by David Gerrold in 1972.
    It dealt with a robot programmed with artificial intelligence to the
    point that it could act like a person. aAnd when it became necessary to switch it off, the question arose whether it *was* a person, so that switching it off would constitute murder.

    And yep, that theme appeared later in a TNG episode involving Data--"The Measure of a Man," I think it was.

    -- Steven L.
    It's kind of a dumb story, across the board, though. In The
    Bicentennial Man, I think the android was sentient through a
    manufacturing defect or something. In Star Trek: The Motion Picture,
    V'ger is said to have achieved consciousness because it acquired "so
    much knowledge". A hard drive doesn't become conscious when you store
    enough files on it. Consciousness is just a lot more complex than the
    writers think it is.
    As for turning off a sentient computer, even if one existed, that
    could hardly be murder so long as you can switch it back on at any
    time.
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  • From Steven L.@1:2320/105 to All on Tue Nov 15 16:07:57 2011
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
    From Address: sdlitvin@earthlink.net
    Subject: Re: The Practical Joker (TAS): my review



    "Graeme" <graemecree@aol.com> wrote in message news:531cfacd-5008-4d7a-a269-7861209f178a@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

    On Nov 14, 1:04apm, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
    "Graeme" <graemec...@aol.com> wrote in message

    news:ade718eb-d20f-451e-ac85-ecde64c1659e@k5g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

    This one is my #4 episode, after Slaver Weapon, Yesteryear, and
    Pirates of Orion. aI still don't buy the idea of a computer
    accidentally becoming sentient, but even Asimov wrote stories around
    that premise, so we can let it pass.

    Computers that unexpectedly become sentient is a staple of science
    fiction for at least 50 years. aLots and lots of short stories, movies,
    and novels. aAlso a couple of TV episodes of "The Twilight Zone."

    An example is "When Harlie Was One," written by David Gerrold in 1972.
    It dealt with a robot programmed with artificial intelligence to the
    point that it could act like a person. aAnd when it became necessary to switch it off, the question arose whether it *was* a person, so that switching it off would constitute murder.

    And yep, that theme appeared later in a TNG episode involving Data--"The Measure of a Man," I think it was.

    -- Steven L.

    It's kind of a dumb story, across the board, though. In The
    Bicentennial Man, I think the android was sentient through a
    manufacturing defect or something. In Star Trek: The Motion Picture,
    V'ger is said to have achieved consciousness because it acquired "so
    much knowledge". A hard drive doesn't become conscious when you store
    enough files on it. Consciousness is just a lot more complex than the writers think it is.

    As for turning off a sentient computer, even if one existed, that
    could hardly be murder so long as you can switch it back on at any
    time.

    Depends.
    When I reboot my computer, everything that was in its RAM memory is
    gone.

    If you want to claim that completely erasing a sentient being's brain
    isn't murder, I would disagree with you because that being's knowledge
    base made it the person he is.


    -- Steven L.


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