• Re: 7 dead in stupid liberal woman vs. suburban NYC train crash

    From Rcp27g@gmail.com@1:2320/100 to All on Wed Feb 4 01:06:04 2015

    On Wednesday, 4 February 2015 09:36:02 UTC+1, DEnk 42+ wrote:
    On 02/04/2015 06:48 AM, de Blasfail wrote:

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Stupid crash aside, am I the ONLY westerner who wonders why the
    east coast enjoys such lavish rail service while western states
    have almost no rail service at all?

    From the perspective of someone living in Europe, I would not describe the East

    Coast (or at least the part of it with some rail service) as having lavish services at all. It has a service that is a bit sub-standard, but just about usable. The rest of
    the US is pretty much a desert.

    I live in America, I pay taxes that subsidize goddamn Amtrak, yet
    there is no train service between my hick town and anywhere.

    I think that is a question you need to take up with your elected representatives. In Europe, it is recognised that public transport is a useful

    public utility that improves the economy for everyone, that is best supported in one way or another out of
    general taxation. But then we also feel that way about other things that Fox News and the GOP deem to be communist and "liberal" (in Europe, being "liberal"

    is regarded as generally a good thing).

    I
    visited Europe several years ago, and trains were everywhere! Not
    so in America, where I have to DRIVE 300 fuckin' miles to catch
    a train from there to Chicago. And looking at the fares vs. the
    cost of driving -- and hotels -- driving comes out to be cheaper!
    (And I don't have to rent a car upon reaching my destination!)

    Americans whine about the cost of gasoline, but then I drive 120
    miles to Las Vegas on a routine basis, and can't help but notice
    that the majority of passenger cars, and big-rig trucks, have
    only one or two passengers inside. A single train could have
    transported all of them (vehicles included) for a tenth of the
    cost of burning all the combustion fuel needed to transport each
    and every one of them individually.

    The USA is unique among industrialized countries for its lack of a comprehensive energy policy. Civilization runs on energy, therefore securing and maintaining a reliable source of energy should be the
    highest priority. Not in America, though. Low oil prices? Let's
    cut the gasoline tax, and borrow more money from China to pay for
    road maintenance! China has a vested interest in loaning America
    money to maintain the highways that its tanks will soon be rolling
    down.

    The US embarked on the largest taxpayer-funded constuction project in the history of mankind, that is building the interstate highway system, and let its

    railways rot. That was a decision taken by elected politicians. In a democracy, you get what you
    vote for.

    Robin

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  • From De Blasfail@1:2320/100 to All on Wed Feb 4 07:48:44 2015

    From: de-blasfail@nyc.com

    XPost: nyc.politics, soc.women, sac.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    A New York commuter train struck an SUV on the tracks in a
    suburban New York City community Tuesday night, killing the
    driver of the car and six passengers on board the train, New
    York Governor Andrew Cuomo said in a press conference.

    The northbound Metro-North Railroad train struck a Jeep Cherokee
    in Valhalla, 20 miles south of New York City, railroad spokesman
    Aaron Donovan said. Seven were killed in the accident marking
    the crash as the railroadAs deadliest.

    "You have seven people who started out today to go about their
    business and aren't going to be making it home tonight," Cuomo
    said.

    The railroad crossing gates had come down on top of the SUV,
    which had stopped on the train tracks, Donovan said. The driver
    got out to inspect the vehicle and got back into it to drive
    away when it was struck, he said.

    The train shoved the SUV about 10 train car lengths. Smoke
    poured out of the scorched front rail car, its windows blackened.

    "I was trapped. You know there was people in front of me and
    behind me, and I was trapped in the middle of a car and it was
    getting very hot," he told ABC News. "All the air was turned off
    so there was no circulation so it was definitely scary
    especially when people are walking by on the outside and they
    said, 'The train's on fire. There's a fire.'"

    Passenger Stacey Eisner, who was at the rear of the train, told
    NBC News that she felt the train "jerk" and then a conductor
    walked through the train explaining what had happened. She said
    her train car was evacuated about 10 minutes later using ladders
    to get people out.

    The other rail passengers were moved to the rear of the train,
    which had left Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan 45 minutes
    earlier.

    More than 750 passengers were likely aboard the train. About 400
    passengers got off from the rear of the train and taken to a
    rock climbing gym for shelter. Buses were headed there to pick
    them up and take them to their destinations.

    All railroad grade crossings have gate arms that are designed to
    lift automatically if they strike a vehicle no the way down,
    railroad safety consultant Grady Cothen said. The arms are made
    of wood and are designed to be easily broken if a car trapped
    between them moves forward or backward, he said.

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut. Service on its
    Harlem Line was suspended between Pleasantville and North White
    Plains after the crash.

    Metro-North has had many recent accidents. Late last year, the
    National Transportation Safety Board issued rulings on five
    accidents that occurred in New York and Connecticut in 2013 and
    2014, repeatedly finding fault with the railroad while also
    noting that conditions have improved.

    Among the accidents was a Dec. 1, 2013, derailment that killed
    four people, the railroad's first passenger fatalities, in the
    Bronx. The NTSB said the engineer had fallen asleep at the
    controls because he had a severe, undiagnosed case of sleep
    apnea.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/03/at-least-12-hurt-after-ny- commuter-train-hits-car-report-says/

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  • From =?windows-1252?q?d=e4nk_42=d8?=@1:2320/100 to De Blasfail on Wed Feb 4 08:36:00 2015

    From: cough@flulikesymptoms.org

    XPost: nyc.politics, soc.women, sac.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 02/04/2015 06:48 AM, de Blasfail wrote:

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Stupid crash aside, am I the ONLY westerner who wonders why the
    east coast enjoys such lavish rail service while western states
    have almost no rail service at all?

    I live in America, I pay taxes that subsidize goddamn Amtrak, yet
    there is no train service between my hick town and anywhere. I
    visited Europe several years ago, and trains were everywhere! Not
    so in America, where I have to DRIVE 300 fuckin' miles to catch
    a train from there to Chicago. And looking at the fares vs. the
    cost of driving -- and hotels -- driving comes out to be cheaper!
    (And I don't have to rent a car upon reaching my destination!)

    Americans whine about the cost of gasoline, but then I drive 120
    miles to Las Vegas on a routine basis, and can't help but notice
    that the majority of passenger cars, and big-rig trucks, have
    only one or two passengers inside. A single train could have
    transported all of them (vehicles included) for a tenth of the
    cost of burning all the combustion fuel needed to transport each
    and every one of them individually.

    The USA is unique among industrialized countries for its lack of a comprehensive energy policy. Civilization runs on energy, therefore
    securing and maintaining a reliable source of energy should be the
    highest priority. Not in America, though. Low oil prices? Let's
    cut the gasoline tax, and borrow more money from China to pay for
    road maintenance! China has a vested interest in loaning America
    money to maintain the highways that its tanks will soon be rolling
    down.

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  • From Matt@1:2320/100 to Cough@flulikesymptoms.org on Wed Feb 4 13:38:50 2015

    From: matttelles@sprynet.com

    XPost: nyc.politics, soc.women, sac.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    DEnk 42+ <cough@flulikesymptoms.org> wrote in news:4qqdnb1zEpVsREzJnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    On 02/04/2015 06:48 AM, de Blasfail wrote:

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Stupid crash aside, am I the ONLY westerner who wonders why the
    east coast enjoys such lavish rail service while western states
    have almost no rail service at all?

    Probably because the East Coast has been investing in infrastructure for a hundred years or more. NY set aside over a billion to build a new subway
    line 20 years ago.

    You live in the west where they love their cars. Deal with it.

    Matt

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  • From Jg@1:2320/100 to Matt on Wed Feb 4 15:43:18 2015

    From: jgrove24@hotmail.com

    On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 7:39:24 AM UTC-6, Matt wrote:
    DEnk 42+ <cough@flulikesymptoms.org> wrote in news:4qqdnb1zEpVsREzJnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    On 02/04/2015 06:48 AM, de Blasfail wrote:

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Metro-North is the nation's second-busiest railroad, after the
    Long Island Rail Road. It was formed in 1983 and serves about
    280,000 riders a day in New York and Connecticut.

    Stupid crash aside, am I the ONLY westerner who wonders why the
    east coast enjoys such lavish rail service while western states
    have almost no rail service at all?

    Probably because the East Coast has been investing in infrastructure for a hundred years or more. NY set aside over a billion to build a new subway line 20 years ago.

    You live in the west where they love their cars. Deal with it.

    Matt

    Most of the newly built light rail lines have been built in the "west", Denver,

    Dallas, Phoenix, Portland, Seattle, all using partial Federal funding.

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