Hello Janis,

I have noticed a few things with Ubuntu v17.04 that I am somewhat concerned about. Nothing that directly impacts the functionality of BBBS yet. But things that make me wonder what is going on. An example is when I click on "System Setting" there is only a limited selection of choices available. Only about a third of what was/should be there. I am starting to wish that I had held off putting BBBS back up until I had replaced the motherboard. Which I have now done and that machine is up and running again.


Jeff

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Hi Jeff,

I have noticed a few things with Ubuntu v17.04 that I am somewhat concerned
about. Nothing that directly impacts the functionality of BBBS yet. But things
that make me wonder what is going on. An example is when I click on "System
Setting" there is only a limited selection of choices available. Only about a
third of what was/should be there.

Interesting, Jeff. I was just reading an article today about KDE Neon which I guess is the latest greatest Kubuntu. It comes totally barebones from what the

article said, IIRC.

Here's how the author described KDE Neon:

"KDE Neon is a distribution created by the KDE team featuring the most recent version of KDE (Plasma) desktop environment on top of Ubuntu core. Effectively,

you have something similar to Kubuntu, but with bleeding edge KDE technology, a

few versions higher than Kubuntu.

There are 4 versions of KDE Neon available for download on their web site: User

current, User long-term support (LTS), Developer stable and Developer unstable.

Only 64-bit images are available. Even the LTS versions have new images updated

frequently. The most current non-LTS verion had the date 20170907 (the 7th of September 2017) in the filename at the moment when I downloaded it. The ISO image is 1.7 Gb in size and available to download only from the KDE Neon site."

He goes on to describe all the packages that are "missing" from what one would expect. The author warns: "If you still don't get the idea from above, I will phrase it myself: once you go for KDE Neon, you will need to build your system yourself from barebones."
You can read this review here: http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2017/09/neon-naked-kde.html

So I guess 17.4 is also a barebones distro?

I am starting to wish that I had held off
putting BBBS back up until I had replaced the motherboard. Which I have now done and that machine is up and running again.

As you'll see in the article I gave the link for, the author also had to download all the extra packages he wanted. That's the way I used to install Linux, actually.. When I first switched to Linux from OS/2, I ran RHEL.. I switched to Ubuntu much later (maybe 5 years later or something like that). I actually prefer doing it that way. :)

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis,

I have noticed a few things with Ubuntu v17.04 that I am somewhat concerned >>about. Nothing that directly impacts the functionality of BBBS yet. But thing >> that make me wonder what is going on. An example is when I click on "System >>Setting" there is only a limited selection of choices available. Only about >> third of what was/should be there.

Interesting, Jeff. I was just reading an article today about KDE Neon which I >guess is the latest greatest Kubuntu. It comes totally barebones from what th
article said, IIRC.

In my case it was the gnome-control-center. If I clicked on it from the launch bar it would load but only show about a third of the expected choices. But if I

load it from a terminal window it would load as expected. This was a sudden and

unexpected change in be behavior.

Here's how the author described KDE Neon:
"KDE Neon is a distribution created by the KDE team featuring the most recent
version of KDE (Plasma) desktop environment on top of Ubuntu core. Effectively >you have something similar to Kubuntu, but with bleeding edge KDE technology,
few versions higher than Kubuntu.

Yeah, I have been doing some reading on the different distros that are available and what they are actually offering. I also have been chatting with local computer techs that build machines for customers. They tell me Ubuntu Mint is popular right now and is getting installed on more machines than Windows of late.

You can read this review here: http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2017/09/neon-naked-kde.html

I will certainly take a look and check it out.

So I guess 17.4 is also a barebones distro?

My attitude is that for BBBS use I am not in the need of a "Fully Dressed" distro. I more prefer stability and dependability. Up until the BBBS move 17.04

had been running with noticeable concern. I must admit some initial reluctance to the move.

As you'll see in the article I gave the link for, the author also had to download all the extra packages he wanted. That's the way I used to install Linux, actually.. When I first switched to Linux from OS/2, I ran RHEL.. I switched to Ubuntu much later (maybe 5 years later or something like that). I actually prefer doing it that way. :)

I too ran OS/2 for a time then switched to FreeBSD then Redhat and then finally

Ubuntu. I also briefly tried Gentoo. :) Most of the distros didn't incorporate a GUI back then.


Jeff

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Hello Janis,

Here's how the author described KDE Neon:
"KDE Neon is a distribution created by the KDE team featuring the most recent
version of KDE (Plasma) desktop environment on top of Ubuntu core. Effectively >you have something similar to Kubuntu, but with bleeding edge KDE technology,
few versions higher than Kubuntu.

So I guess 17.4 is also a barebones distro?

I wouldn't say barebones as I had plenty of entertainment software (Music, Photo, Video). It had a variety of software already installed.

It did have as I stated though some qwirks. Switching workspaces would sometimes cause Unity to seize up requiring it to be forced to close and be restarted.

In looking superficially at Neon I would have agree with the author. I would look at Neon as being more suited towards a more experienced Linux user that already knows what they want and need and knows how to obtain it. Kinda akin to

comparing Windows server to Windows 8/10. Alot has to do on what task(s) the PC is destined to perform.


Jeff


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* Quoting message from Jeff Smith to Janis Kracht
* [00:32 at 28-Sep-17]

I have noticed a few things with Ubuntu v17.04 that I am somewhat concerned about. Nothing that directly impacts the functionality of BBBS yet. But things
that make me wonder what is going on. An example is when I click on "System Setting" there is only a limited selection of choices available. Only about a
third of what was/should be there. I am starting to wish that I had held off putting BBBS back up until I had replaced the motherboard. Which I have now done and that machine is up and running again.

Yeah, which is why I NEVER either touch Ubuntu or recommend Ubuntu.

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Hello Robert,

I have noticed a few things with Ubuntu v17.04 that I am somewhat concerned >> about. Nothing that directly impacts the functionality of BBBS yet.

I am starting to wish that I had held off putting BBBS back up until I had >> replaced the motherboard. Which I have now done and that machine is up and >> running again.

Yeah, which is why I NEVER either touch Ubuntu or recommend Ubuntu.

I can't say the same thing really. I reverted back to Ubuntu v16.10 and haven't

noticed the same concerns. The problem seemed to be primarily a GUI issue and not a OS issue as the loaded software continued to function. When I moved BBBS over to a different PC that PC happened to at that time have v17.04 on it. Should that need ever happen again I am a tad wiser to know to pre-install the correct OS version prior to the move.

I usually always have a spare PC that is available to test/install different OS's.


Jeff

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I can't say the same thing really. I reverted back to Ubuntu v16.10 and haven'

Yes, Ubuntu has been rock solid here. Any problems with Linux that I've had have been in 'old days' of somewhat haphazard distributions early on in Linux's

life.

I usually always have a spare PC that is available to test/install different OS's.

Yes, that's always nice :) I usually commandeer Ron's system if I have to <bg>

Take care,
Janis

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Hello Janis,

I can't say the same thing really. I reverted back to Ubuntu v16.10 and haven

Yes, Ubuntu has been rock solid here. Any problems with Linux that I've had have been in 'old days' of somewhat haphazard distributions early on in Linux' life.

When I first started using Linux it was in the non-GUI Slackware days (About '95 as I recall). For just 'Sit and Run' PC's I didn't mind a non-GUI OS. But for interactive PC's I got used to having a desktop.

I usually always have a spare PC that is available to test/install different >> OS's.

Yes, that's always nice :) I usually commandeer Ron's system if I have to <bg

Yup, I bet Ron just smiles when he starts up his PC and see's a different looking desktop layout. :-)

Jeff

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