Let's expect greatness. Trump, or someone from his awesome new cabinet, will find a way to "make America safe again." And obviously we're not very safe until all the unvetted asylum seekers are out of here.

I think Gabbard will do well. I am a little skeptical of a couple of the
other picks -- Getz and Musk. Musk in particular seems to me like someone
who might go "bull in a china shop" and screw something up in the process.


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Let's expect greatness. Trump, or someone from his awesome new cabinet, find a way to "make America safe again." And obviously we're not very sa until all the unvetted asylum seekers are out of here.

I think Gabbard will do well. I am a little skeptical of a couple of the other picks -- Getz and Musk. Musk in particular seems to me like
someone who might go "bull in a china shop" and screw something up in
the process.

I'm more concerned about having Gabbard, a former Democrat, being the director of national intelligence. I don't see any intelligent reason for anyone to have been a Democrat in the first place, unless they did it for the money.

But Trump is the one who "took a bullet," so it makes sense to trust his decision with this nomination. Maybe our senate buddies (we can call them that now) will tell Tulsi to get lost.

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I think Gabbard will do well. I am a little skeptical of a couple of

he

other picks -- Getz and Musk. Musk in particular seems to me like someone who might go "bull in a china shop" and screw something up in the process.

I'm more concerned about having Gabbard, a former Democrat, being the

irector

of national intelligence. I don't see any intelligent reason for anyone to

av

been a Democrat in the first place, unless they did it for the money.

Unlike Gaetz, she is not under investigation for having sex with minors.
Her being a former Democrat is much less worisome to me. Naming Gaetz
would be like Biden or Harris naming Epstien to a position (assuming he was alive for them to do so).

Gaetz being MAGA doesn't make his alleged crimes ok. Someone who is not
under investigation should have been named instead.


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I'm more concerned about having Gabbard, a former Democrat, being the

irector

of national intelligence. I don't see any intelligent reason for anyone

av

been a Democrat in the first place, unless they did it for the money.

Unlike Gaetz, she is not under investigation for having sex with minors. Her being a former Democrat is much less worisome to me. Naming Gaetz would be like Biden or Harris naming Epstien to a position (assuming he was alive for them to do so).

I suspect that the "sex with minors" thing is a witch hunt, and that Trump nominated Gaetz to send a message to the left and their lawfare.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I suspect that the "sex with minors" thing is a witch hunt,

It probably is. They want to warp "sex with minors" into "pedophilia". It's a smear campaign.

And remember, if an Ignorant Elitst claims that someone is <something>, you can be assured that the Ignorant Elitists actually is <something>.

and that
Trump nominated Gaetz to send a message to the left and their lawfare.

Trump *IS* much better at trolling than the Elitists, that's for sure.

Of course, it helps that Gaetz is really good a digging for the facts. I hope he can put some of these people in prison (where they belong).


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Unlike Gaetz, she is not under investigation for having sex with minors. Her being a former Democrat is much less worisome to me. Naming Gaetz would be like Biden or Harris naming Epstien to a position (assuming he was alive for them to do so).

I suspect that the "sex with minors" thing is a witch hunt, and that Trump nominated Gaetz to send a message to the left and their lawfare.

It is one that I would let play out before I would appoint someone to a
cabinet position.


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I suspect that the "sex with minors" thing is a witch hunt,

It probably is. They want to warp "sex with minors" into "pedophilia". It's a smear campaign.

I never heard anything about it until after the nomination announcement, and I doubt that the brainwashed leftists heard about it until then either.

And remember, if an Ignorant Elitst claims that someone is <something>, you can be assured that the Ignorant Elitists actually is <something>.

The Democrats are now officially "The Freak Off Party."

Of course, it helps that Gaetz is really good a digging for the facts.
I hope he can put some of these people in prison (where they belong).

Unless there's video evidence of him having sex with a minor, then I want to see Matt Gaetz get confirmed. Accusations or even charges are not (and never have been) proof of anything.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The Democrats are now officially "The Freak Off Party."

I think the term is "The Freak Party" as evidenced by the number of multi-pierced, tattooed, colored hair nut jobs who lost their minds (and sometimes their hair) online in the last week or so.

Unless there's video evidence of him having sex with a minor, then I
want to see Matt Gaetz get confirmed. Accusations or even charges are
not (and never have been) proof of anything.

And, for most of the country, the accusations only prove:
1. The Elitists want to continue their two-tiered system of justice.
2. The Elitists, and their operatives, are guilty as sin and are scared that Gaetz will get the evidence and hold them accountable.
3. And that they know that Gaetz can do it.

Do we still get to execute traitors?


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I suspect that the "sex with minors" thing is a witch hunt,

It probably is. They want to warp "sex with minors" into "pedophilia". It's a smear campaign.

I never heard anything about it until after the nomination announcement, and I
doubt that the brainwashed leftists heard about it until then either.

Being someone who pays attention and is not a leftist, I can say I was previously aware of it but it had been a while since I last heard about it.

Of course, it helps that Gaetz is really good a digging for the facts.
I hope he can put some of these people in prison (where they belong).

Unless there's video evidence of him having sex with a minor, then I want to see Matt Gaetz get confirmed. Accusations or even charges are not (and never have been) proof of anything.

That is what hearings and trials are for. Many crimes happen that are not
on video. Accusations are not proof but someone facing a hearing for sex
with a minor should not even be nominated for a position until they've been cleared of the charges.

I will say it again... it is just like nominating Epstien, were he still
alive, or P. Diddy, or any close partying associates of either of them. If Kamala had won and then named Diddy as her AG, I am pretty sure everyone
here would see how stupid that was, even though Diddy is only accused at
this point.

This sounds like a play to get Gaetz out of trouble. His immediate
resignation from office stops any Congressional probe into his conduct,
because they can only investigate him while he is still holding
Congressional office. If he should be confirmed as AG, it means he can sweep it under the rug.

Having it swept under a rug <> being cleared. Sounds a lot like a favor from Trump. Gaetz has been a loyal MAGA and now he is getting paid for it.


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The Democrats are now officially "The Freak Off Party."

I think the term is "The Freak Party" as evidenced by the number of multi-pierced, tattooed, colored hair nut jobs who lost their minds (and sometimes their hair) online in the last week or so.

There's that too, but this is the party that likes to party with P Diddy!

Unless there's video evidence of him having sex with a minor, then I want to see Matt Gaetz get confirmed. Accusations or even charges are not (and never have been) proof of anything.

And, for most of the country, the accusations only prove:
1. The Elitists want to continue their two-tiered system of justice.
2. The Elitists, and their operatives, are guilty as sin and are scared that Gaetz will get the evidence and hold them accountable.
3. And that they know that Gaetz can do it.

It's funny because the left should have already learned their lesson about lawfare when they saw the results of the 2024 elections, but instead they're just digging themselves deeper into a hole that they'll never crawl out of.

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That is what hearings and trials are for. Many crimes happen that are
not on video. Accusations are not proof but someone facing a hearing
for sex with a minor should not even be nominated for a position until they've been cleared of the charges.

I will say it again... it is just like nominating Epstien, were he still alive, or P. Diddy, or any close partying associates of either of them. If Kamala had won and then named Diddy as her AG, I am pretty sure everyone here would see how stupid that was, even though Diddy is only accused at this point.

I understand. It seems like Trump is making a mistake with that nomination, but it's also a mistake to let lawfare dictate who our nominees are going to be. Hopefully the senate sees it that way.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

It's funny because the left should have already learned their lesson
about lawfare when they saw the results of the 2024 elections, but
instead they're just digging themselves deeper into a hole that they'll never crawl out of.

I was reading an interesting theory by Eric S. Raymond on X relating to the election fraud.

The theory is that for something like election fraud, you can't have direct lines of communication with anyone - since those will be traced back to a person who can rat out the leaders.

So they do things like effective-brainwashing, then signalling (i.e. "Trump is a threat to Democracy!"), then some gentle nudging of suggestions of what do to.

The problem with such a setup is that you can't control it. Ex: You can't tell the operatives to "stand down". Hence why they are still trying to cheat in some states by generating fake ballots.

So you still have some people pushing the "plan" when they should have been told to "stand down, bide your time, be quiet", because they can't be told that. There are no lines of communication because each operative thinks they are acting on their own accord - and their brainwashing won't allow them to think otherwise.

That's why some of these people will be hung out to dry soon. But, sadly, the leaders will go undiscovered and unpunished.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I understand. It seems like Trump is making a mistake with that nomination, but it's also a mistake to let lawfare dictate who our nominees are going to be. Hopefully the senate sees it that way.

Remember that Trump thinks like a businessman, not a congress-critter.

I've personally seen a company bring in an "exec" to do a messy job (like mass layoffs), then have him "retire" soon after.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that Trump's initial picks for a cabinet are going to stay all 4 years. They might. But they might not.


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The theory is that for something like election fraud, you can't have direct lines of communication with anyone - since those will be traced back to a person who can rat out the leaders.

So they do things like effective-brainwashing, then signalling (i.e. "Trump is a threat to Democracy!"), then some gentle nudging of suggestions of what do to.

The problem with such a setup is that you can't control it. Ex: You
can't tell the operatives to "stand down". Hence why they are still trying to cheat in some states by generating fake ballots.

So you still have some people pushing the "plan" when they should have been told to "stand down, bide your time, be quiet", because they can't
be told that. There are no lines of communication because each

That's a realistic theory, and it explains why a few idiots are still trying to steal the McCormick/Casey senate race. They've already been caught, but they keep going because they can't be seen communicating with Alex Soros.

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I will say it again... it is just like nominating Epstien, were he still alive, or P. Diddy, or any close partying associates of either of them. If Kamala had won and then named Diddy as her AG, I am pretty sure everyone here would see how stupid that was, even though Diddy is only accused at this point.

I understand. It seems like Trump is making a mistake with that nomination,

u

it's also a mistake to let lawfare dictate who our nominees are going to be. Hopefully the senate sees it that way.

Assuming it is lawfare. With Trump, some of the accusations were obviously exaggerated if not fabricated. In Gaetz's case, he apparently was pretty boastful to fellow Republicans about his exploits, and some of them were not
at all impressed.

With turnover in recent administrations being what it is, I am sure Trump
could have found Gaetz a place to reward him with after Gaetz had been
cleared.


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Assuming it is lawfare.

Is that a safe/good assumption?

With Trump, some of the accusations were obviously exaggerated if not fabricated.

What accusations do you find exaggerated or fabricated?

In Gaetz's case, he apparently was pretty boastful to fellow Republicans about his exploits, and some of them were not at all impressed.

Not only that there is witness testimony that'll likely be released in the ethics committee's report.

With turnover in recent administrations being what it is, I am sure Trump could have found Gaetz a place to reward him with after Gaetz had been cleared.

Trump will reward Gaetz?

Jr. was right when he said "it's not their republican party anymore".

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What accusations do you find exaggerated or fabricated?

In Gaetz's case, he apparently was pretty boastful to fellow Republicans about his exploits, and some of them were not at all impressed.

Not only that there is witness testimony that'll likely be released in
the ethics committee's report.

Speaking of testimony, still waiting to hear what Trump's alleged other charges were that are supposedly attached to the long dead misdemeanor in the NYC case.

They the Democrats - used this to taunt and to use the words "Felon" in hopes that it would sway people from voting for man w/ this new label stuck to his head. As we all know that didn't out as planned. Did it?

Please - Enjoy your Hot Chocolate with the mini-marshmallows and your fresh box of Crayola Crayons (64 count) and please try to stay within the lines.

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Not only that there is witness testimony that'll likely be released in
the ethics committee's report.

Speaking of testimony, still waiting to hear what Trump's alleged other charge were that are supposedly attached to the long dead misdemeanor in the NYC case

Oh, is donnie facing misdemeanor charges?

I only heard about his 34 felony convictions.

They the Democrats - used this to taunt and to use the words "Felon" in hopes that it would sway people from voting for man w/ this new label stuck to his head. As we all know that didn't out as planned. Did it?

The democrats (and others) used the word felon correctly.

Please - Enjoy your Hot Chocolate with the mini-marshmallows and your fresh box of Crayola Crayons (64 count) and please try to stay within the lines.

I have no crayolas. Could you spare me a box?

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Assuming it is lawfare. With Trump, some of the accusations were obviously exaggerated if not fabricated. In Gaetz's case, he apparently was pretty boastful to fellow Republicans about his exploits, and some
of them were not at all impressed.

With turnover in recent administrations being what it is, I am sure Trump could have found Gaetz a place to reward him with after Gaetz had been cleared.

But who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe Trump and Gatez are planning on doing some hardcore prosecutions. That's what I'm hoping for. I don't want Biden or Hochul to get away with the awful things they've done (not sure if he can help with the Hochul stuff, but I want Democrats heads to roll!)

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On 18 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Not only that there is witness testimony that'll likely be released in >> the ethics committee's report.

Speaking of testimony, still waiting to hear what Trump's alleged other charge were that are supposedly attached to the long dead misdemeanor in
NYC case

Oh, is donnie facing misdemeanor charges?

I only heard about his 34 felony convictions.

They the Democrats - used this to taunt and to use the words "Felon" in hopes that it would sway people from voting for man w/ this new label stu
to his head. As we all know that didn't out as planned. Did it?

The democrats (and others) used the word felon correctly.

The case is legally and factually complex, making it harder for a jury to embrace a narrative that justifies a conviction.

The indictment charges Trump with falsifying business records with intent to defraud, which is a misdemeanor under New York law unless done to cover up another crime. As it stands, the felony requires Bragg to prove that Trump's intent to defraud included an intent to commit another crime or to aid in concealing that other crime. Bragg has alleged that there are multiple second crimes, including violations of federal election laws's which are not state crimes, mind you, and which the Justice Department declined to prosecute against Trump.

Did you see it? or miss it (due to your hatred and condition of TDS)

Bragg has alleged that there are multiple second crimes.
We Are STILL Waiting to see. What These "Other Crimes" are Alleged to be.

What this must be for you.
Like eating a box of Cracker Jacks and discovering there is no prize.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

That's a realistic theory, and it explains why a few idiots are still trying to steal the McCormick/Casey senate race. They've already been caught, but they keep going because they can't be seen communicating
with Alex Soros.

Ya, it's an interesting theory. It would be nice for someone to investigate it. Maybe a gov't grant. :)

And, yes, that's why they are "still counting" ballots in a few places.

What makes the Elitists nervious, though, is that these few places "still counting" will get a great deal of scrutiny. The last thing the Elitists want is for someone to examine what's been going on.


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In Gaetz's case, he apparently was pretty boastful to fellow Republicans about his exploits, and some of them were not at all impressed.

Not only that there is witness testimony that'll likely be released in the ethics committee's report.

Assuming there is a report. I am concerned that with his resignation from Congress that the probe may end there.

With turnover in recent administrations being what it is, I am sure Trump could have found Gaetz a place to reward him with after Gaetz had been cleared.

Trump will reward Gaetz?

I think you've not been following along. IMHO, Trump is rewarding Gaetz
for being a good MAGA with the AG position nomination.


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With turnover in recent administrations being what it is, I am sure

rump

could have found Gaetz a place to reward him with after Gaetz had been cleared.

But who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe Trump and Gatez are planning on doing some hardcore prosecutions. That's what I'm hoping for. I don't want Biden or Hochul to get away with the awful things they've done

not

sure if he can help with the Hochul stuff, but I want Democrats heads to

oll!

There are many, many qualified persons that Trump could do that with that
do not have any sex with minors accusations hanging over their heads.
I am sure that Harris and P. Diddy could have done some great things
(for the left) had she won and nominated him for something, just to get him
out of trouble.

Real funny thing there is that I am 100% positive that the same people in
this echo who don't understand what the big problem is around the Gaetz nomination would be the same ones that would understand it perfectly if it was the Democrats and Diddy.

I also think it is funny that the notion that the Democrats are the "party
of paedophiles" has been shared in this echo many, many times, and yet there
is no apparent issues with potential paedophilia when a MAGA is involved.


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On 18 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

The democrats (and others) used the word felon correctly.

Nope... Trump is NOT a felon... Did he vote for himself in 2024?? YUP... because he's not convicted yet...

Judge needs to rule on the case... BUT wait there's more... And the appeals court needs to hear the appeal... If there is a conviction where it'll be thrown out.

Again you knowledge of the US is spectacular once again Alan.

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On 19 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

I think you've not been following along. IMHO, Trump is rewarding Gaetz for being a good MAGA with the AG position nomination.

Be quiet...

I saw the best video EVER with Matt... He was walking down the halls of congress with a film crew and someone interviewing him... Matt would stop
every once in awhile and and he would say this is Congress person SO & SO... He's on the XYZ comity... He bought stock in something related to his agency days leading up to a crucial las passing. He did this ~ 4 times pointing out the congress people who line their own pockets. In this video he pointed out Republicans that were doing... We all know what Nancy has done to make her millions.

https://youtu.be/NQ1axMZrXUI?si=tX6Fjnipv1APZLry

Here's why we love Matt...

MAGA stands for America First...

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What makes the Elitists nervious, though, is that these few places "still counting" will get a great deal of scrutiny. The last thing the
Elitists want is for someone to examine what's been going on.

Their biggest fears are coming to life, and I love that.

This senate issue is a big deal though. I hope McCormick wins because he seems like he's on our side. I heard him speak at the 2 Trump rallies and I like him. We need to compensate for the rinos in the senate.

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planning on doing some hardcore prosecutions. That's what I'm hoping for don't want Biden or Hochul to get away with the awful things they've don

not

sure if he can help with the Hochul stuff, but I want Democrats heads to

oll!

There are many, many qualified persons that Trump could do that with that do not have any sex with minors accusations hanging over their heads.

Not to worry then. We'll get somebody. I'm disappointed with Gaetz for resigning from congress anyway. That's not helpful for us.

I also think it is funny that the notion that the Democrats are the
"party of paedophiles" has been shared in this echo many, many times,
and yet there is no apparent issues with potential paedophilia when a
MAGA is involved.

This is the first time a MAGA Republican is accused of pedophilia, that I know of. But look at it this way: there's no proof. Just testimony. "Go in there and tell them that Matt Gaetz had sex with you 10 years ago and that he smoked crack too."

Every time someone wants a politician removed, they make sex allegations, but there's never any proof (except when it's a Democrat.)

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The case is legally and factually complex, making it harder for a jury to embrace a narrative that justifies a conviction.

What case are you refering to?

If you are refering to the NY case it has already concluded. Donald Trump was convicted.

The indictment charges Trump with falsifying business records with intent to defraud,

I suppose the intent to defraud is a misdemeanor. Fraud itself is a felony.

Did you see it? or miss it (due to your hatred and condition of TDS)

I have no TDS (clue, it's not a thing). I see Donald Trump for who he is.

Bragg has alleged that there are multiple second crimes.
We Are STILL Waiting to see. What These "Other Crimes" are Alleged to be.

Is this something new that Trump is being charged with, or is it the case where he was found guilty?

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Assuming there is a report.

There is a report. The investigation was concluded and Gaetz was told about it and chose to resign rather than face the consequences.

In spite of Gaetz's resignation the report can be released although MAGAs won't support that and congress can't slap him.

Jack Smith's report of Donald Trump's escapades will also be released. There'll be no convictions in any of that but at least the truth will be known.

I think you've not been following along. IMHO, Trump is rewarding Gaetz
for being a good MAGA with the AG position nomination.

That could be. Trump wants a man without shame, and Gaetz fits the bill. I doubt it will happen though.

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Nope... Trump is NOT a felon...

Yep, it happened in 2024.

Judge needs to rule on the case...

Trump has already been convicted. He is awaiting sentencing.

BUT wait there's more...

I can hardly wait!

And the appeals court needs to hear the appeal... If there is a conviction where it'll be thrown out.

Trump is a convict. That's a done deal. He can appeal his conviction and the courts will look at it again. His fine may be adjusted (if there is reason) but I don't see him getting his conviction overturned.

Again you knowledge of the US is spectacular once again Alan.

Thanks, I appreciate that!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Not to worry then. We'll get somebody. I'm disappointed with Gaetz for resigning from congress anyway. That's not helpful for us.

But the timing of that allows a replacement to be selected before Congress goes into session. So Matt is trying to be helpful there.

Every time someone wants a politician removed, they make sex
allegations, but there's never any proof (except when it's a Democrat.)

<sarcasm>
But there's never any proof when it's a Democrat - according to the Propaganda Ministry...er... Media. You must be a Conspiracy Theorist!
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Not to worry then. We'll get somebody. I'm disappointed with Gaetz fo resigning from congress anyway. That's not helpful for us.

But the timing of that allows a replacement to be selected before
Congress goes into session. So Matt is trying to be helpful there.

I just hope the GOP is prepared to win the special election.

Trump's nominations, if confirmed, are going to take a lot of excellent
people away from their jobs, like Doug Bergum and Kristi Noem for example.

As long as they have good replacements, it will be ok I guess. (But I don't want to see any red states being taken over by Democrats!)

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The democrats (and others) used the word felon correctly.

Nope... Trump is NOT a felon... Did he vote for himself in 2024?? YUP... because he's not convicted yet...

He was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
Even if that case is under appeal, he is a felon until if/when it
is appealed.

Judge needs to rule on the case... BUT wait there's more... And the appeals court needs to hear the appeal... If there is a conviction where it'll be thrown out.

If it is thrown out on merit, then that is a good thing. If it is thrown
out because a Trump appointed AG gets rid of it, then we cannot ever say if
he was guilty or not.

Again you knowledge of the US is spectacular once again Alan.

In this case, he seems to be talking about the conviction from earlier this year and, for once, seems to have knowledge of what he is talking about.


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This is the first time a MAGA Republican is accused of pedophilia, that
I know of. But look at it this way: there's no proof. Just testimony.
"Go in there and tell them that Matt Gaetz had sex with you 10 years
ago and that he smoked crack too."

Every time someone wants a politician removed, they make sex
allegations, but there's never any proof (except when it's a Democrat.)

It wasn't that there was no proof, but there was indeed not enough for the Biden DOJ to pursue it. They ended their investigation, without charging Gaetz, in 2023.

A former friend of Gaetz was charged and plead guilty to sex trafficing
of a minor, ID theft, stalking, wire fraud, and conspiracy to bribe a
public official. This associate testified that Gaetz was involved. The
woman involved in the DOJ investigation also testified, to the House Ethics Committee, that Gaetz had sex with her when she was 17 and still in high school.

The Ethics Committee has interviewed at least 6 other women who
claimed to have attended sex parties where they were paid for their
services and where Gaetz was present. There were Venmo payments to some of these women, allegedly from Gaetz. At least one of the women testified
that the payment(s) to her were indeed for sex with Gaetz. Others have testified that they were paid to attend the parties, where Gaetz was present, and that the parties included drugs and sex.

Gaetz has tried to pass these payments off as "generosity to ex-girlfriends."

A former Gaetz girlfriend also testified that Gaetz attended a sex-and-drugs party in 2017 where the underaged girl was present.

Google "Gaetz sex crimes" and you will find this info.

My guess would be that a Gaetz-lead DOJ will be a lot less likely to ever expose the Epstein list as he could very well be on it. Maybe on the Diddy list, too.


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Assuming there is a report.

There is a report. The investigation was concluded and Gaetz was told about it and chose to resign rather than face the consequences.

In spite of Gaetz's resignation the report can be released although
MAGAs won't support that and congress can't slap him.

If they are going to release it, they'd do it before this session is over.


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On 19 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Trump has already been convicted. He is awaiting sentencing.

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there is an appeals process as well.

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On 20 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

He was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
Even if that case is under appeal, he is a felon until if/when it
is appealed.

Trump is a felon after the judge renders the conviction. Until then... He's not. The judge is playing with the conviction because this is all a political game.

If it is thrown out on merit, then that is a good thing. If it is thrown out because a Trump appointed AG gets rid of it, then we cannot ever say if he was guilty or not.

Alan Dershowitz, and many other Constitutional Scholars say that there are sooooooooo many reversible errors that the case will get tossed eventually... On appeal. Moreover, there is a bunch of evidence that should not have been presented in the case be cause, as per the Supreme Court, Trump had immunity on some of the evidence.

Alan Dershowitz, et al., said NY law says that the Judge has to sentence within 1 year of Jury conviction... So he can't wait until 2029. And there is a way to tackle the case if the judge tries to postpone it until 2029.

At the moment I don't see how Matt could affect a State prosecution... Matt could look into the Judge's daughter fund-raising off her daddy being the judge on Trump's case and making 10's of millions of dollars for the DNC... Get your popcorn because it does smell like election interference.

In this case, he seems to be talking about the conviction from earlier this year and, for once, seems to have knowledge of what he is talking about.

He used the word felon wasn't talking about conviction.

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My guess would be that a Gaetz-lead DOJ will be a lot less likely to ever expose the Epstein list as he could very well be on it. Maybe on the Diddy list, too.

That's ok. Nothing will ever be perfect. If the senate rejects him then we don't have to hate them for it. Then Trump will nominate someone better.

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IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

The Collaborative International Dictionary of English has this to say..

felon

adjective

Characteristic of a felon: malignant; fierce; malicious; cruel; traitorous; disloyal.

noun

1) A person who has committed a felony.

2) A person guilty or capable of heinous crime.

Donnie checks all those boxes.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US
there is an appeals process as well.

Donald Trump will take every appeal he can get, that is his MO.

Nevertheless, Donald is a convicted felon.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: The awesome new cabin
By: IB Joe to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 20 2024 10:02 am

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York, where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there is

The appeals process doesn't change anything until a ruling is made in said appeal. If you appeal a felony conviction, until the appelate court rules otherwise, you ARE a felon.
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He was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Even if that case is under appeal, he is a felon until if/when it
is appealed.

Trump is a felon after the judge renders the conviction. Until then... He's not. The judge is playing with the conviction because this is all a

olitical

game.

I think you might be confusing the sentence with the conviction. Trump has been convicted of a felony. Whether he is sentenced to community service or jail doesn't alter the felony status of the conviction.

Alan Dershowitz, and many other Constitutional Scholars say that there are sooooooooo many reversible errors that the case will get tossed eventually... On appeal. Moreover, there is a bunch of evidence that should not have been presented in the case be cause, as per the Supreme Court, Trump had immunity

some of the evidence.

Alan Dershowitz, et al., said NY law says that the Judge has to sentence

ithi

1 year of Jury conviction... So he can't wait until 2029. And there is a way to tackle the case if the judge tries to postpone it until 2029.

Yeah, I think that is probably part of the "right to a fair trial"
protection. It would prevent NY from holding someone indefinately without finally sentencing them.

In this case, he seems to be talking about the conviction from earlier this year and, for once, seems to have knowledge of what he is talking about.

He used the word felon wasn't talking about conviction.

I have seen Alan use both, and both are true. Trump was convicted of a
felony. He has yet to be sentenced but, until/unless the case is appealed and/or tossed, he is currently convicted of a felony and is therefore a felon.


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Trump has already been convicted. He is awaiting sentencing.

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

That depends on what state you live in and also may be subject to you
actually being sentenced and/or exhausting your appeals.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there is

appeals process as well.

There is an appeals process but you are a convicted felon upon conviction,
not sentencing. Otherwise, someone who never exhausts their appeals would never be a felon.


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Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York, where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they are not

urrentl

incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

I thought as much.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there

The appeals process doesn't change anything until a ruling is made in said appeal. If you appeal a felony conviction, until the appelate court rules otherwise, you ARE a felon.

This is correct. If the conviction is overturned, you are no longer a
felon. Until then, you are.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

But the timing of that allows a replacement to be selected before
Congress goes into session. So Matt is trying to be helpful there.

I just hope the GOP is prepared to win the special election.

My understanding is that, for Florida at least, the Gov gets to appoint someone. No election for this since it's to finish out Gaetz's term.

Trump's nominations, if confirmed, are going to take a lot of excellent people away from their jobs, like Doug Bergum and Kristi Noem for
example.

Trump only has 4 years to start cleaning things out, or the Elitists will cheat again and we'll be right back to where we started. He needs to use those good people now.

I know that I have to put up with this mess in Michigan for another 2 years when we kick the Tyrant out of office along with her harpies. But I'm concerned about the election fraud like they have in California.

As long as they have good replacements, it will be ok I guess. (But I don't want to see any red states being taken over by Democrats!)

As long as they are OK replacements at least, I'll be happy. But, ya, there the risk of the Elitists using that to subvert things in other areas.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Trump is a felon after the judge renders the conviction. Until then... He's not. The judge is playing with the conviction because this is all
a political game.

And a distraction from Biden's misappropriation and mishandling of classified materials.


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On 20 Nov 2024, Ken Nischan said the following...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York,
where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they
are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

He resides in Florida and his in ability to vote as a felon is exactly that...

Florida State Law...
person has completed all terms of his or her sentence. Completion of the sentence means

The sentence you needed to read... If Trump had completed all the sentencing requirements ... Went to Jail... Paid his fines... Did his probation ... finished his parole... He then can apply to vote...

Whatever.

He would become a felon once the judge sentences him. That's the movement his felon label is triggered.

They are currently playing a political game.

The appeals process doesn't change anything until a ruling is made in
said appeal. If you appeal a felony conviction, until the appelate
court rules otherwise, you ARE a felon.

Well, until the judge pulls the trigger Trump is not a felon

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On 21 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

I think you might be confusing the sentence with the conviction. Trump has been convicted of a felony. Whether he is sentenced to community service or jail doesn't alter the felony status of the conviction.

I am not confused... I have been following this. Until the judge finishes the process by sentencing him he is NOT a felon. It is that part of the process that completes it.

The Judge could, and should in this case, toss the whole thing out... This is why the sentencing is important.

Legal analysts like Jonathan Turley, Alan Dershowitz and Andrew McCarthy all say the same thing. All 3 say the same thing. Until the conviction is formalized during the sentencing process he is not convicted.

So... All 3 have said that this case will be tossed eventually because of reversible errors... Moreover, and more importantly, after the Supreme court ruling they used evidence that they shouldn't have and it'll be tossed for that.

I'm not confused. If your pedigree is better then the above mentioned experts please let me know your credentials.

BTW, NY law says he has to be sentenced within a year... they can't wait 4... And Alan Dershowitz told the Trump team, on air, the paperwork to file to go around what the judge is doing.

Yeah, I think that is probably part of the "right to a fair trial" protection. It would prevent NY from holding someone indefinately
without finally sentencing them.

It smacks of BS...

I have seen Alan use both, and both are true. Trump was convicted of a felony. He has yet to be sentenced but, until/unless the case is
appealed and/or tossed, he is currently convicted of a felony and is therefore a felon.

He is not a felon... Unless/until the judge makes it final his conviction is in limbo PERIOD. Its that last act that seals the deal

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On 21 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

That depends on what state you live in and also may be subject to you actually being sentenced and/or exhausting your appeals.

Florida... Trump voted in Palm Beach... And Felons can't vote... I did explain in a message I wrote to someone a few minutes back how Felon Trump could vote... But since he's not a felon he voted... With his HOT wife

There is an appeals process but you are a convicted felon upon
conviction, not sentencing. Otherwise, someone who never exhausts their appeals would never be a felon.

Lets look at Jussie Smollett... He was convicted and sentenced for committing a hate crime hoax. Note convicted and sentenced... He was sentenced to go to jail for 150 days. It was at this time a judge could have tossed the case because of a legal reason and made the whole process moot... But the judge didn't.

He finalized the process and sentenced him. This made Jessie a felon. Jessie has been a felon since 2019.

Today someone overturned Jessie's conviction, tossed it, for a technical legal reason... Now Jessie is not a felon, he's just a Homosexual who ruined his life.

Because the judge refuses to rule on Trump's case Trump is just a Billionaire with great hair.

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On 21 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

And a distraction from Biden's misappropriation and mishandling of classified materials.

I cannot wait to see the swamp getting drained.

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Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York,
where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they
are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

Are you sure? I have a friend who is a convicted felon from NY, and he's a big Trump guy, but he says that he's not allowed to vote.

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Trump's nominations, if confirmed, are going to take a lot of excelle people away from their jobs, like Doug Bergum and Kristi Noem for example.

Trump only has 4 years to start cleaning things out, or the Elitists
will cheat again and we'll be right back to where we started. He needs
to use those good people now.

I understand. Only the best will do. I hope these people take this as seriously as Trump does.

I know that I have to put up with this mess in Michigan for another 2 years when we kick the Tyrant out of office along with her harpies. But I'm concerned about the election fraud like they have in California.

You need a really good candidate. After you find one, you need that candidate to rally like crazy like Trump did. How hard would it be to visit every city in Michigan? Not very hard!

And the candidate needs to touch all the sore spots that people in your state have, and he/she needs to explain clearly to them that Wretchen won't help. You need someone with a serious strategy, someone who will stay up all night for weeks at a time trying to get through to people.

That's the Trump way and it really works!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I understand. Only the best will do. I hope these people take this as seriously as Trump does.

I think they do. And I think that Trump learned a great deal from the last time he was in office about how the gov't is set up today.

You need a really good candidate. After you find one, you need that candidate to rally like crazy like Trump did. How hard would it be to visit every city in Michigan? Not very hard!

Time will tell. We'll see what happens over the next 2 years.

Like I said, my concern is the instutionalized election fraud, like they have in California, that basically prevents the people from having any say.


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IB Joe wrote to Ken Nischan <=-

Well, until the judge pulls the trigger Trump is not a felon

But that can't be true. That would completely negate the Ignorant Elitists talking point. :)


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

And a distraction from Biden's misappropriation and mishandling of classified materials.

I cannot wait to see the swamp getting drained.

That seems to be the feeling of the majority of the country.


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He is not a felon... Unless/until the judge makes it final his conviction is

limbo PERIOD. Its that last act that seals the deal

You can believe what you want, but most of the rest of us know that he currently a convicted felon awaiting sentencing.


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He resides in Florida and his in ability to vote as a felon is exactly

hat...

Florida State Law...
person has completed all terms of his or her sentence. Completion of the sentence means

The sentence you needed to read... If Trump had completed all the sentencing requirements ... Went to Jail... Paid his fines... Did his probation ... finished his parole... He then can apply to vote...

Except you are leaving out the part where, if the conviction is in another state, Florida uses that state's felony voting rights procedures. Since
Trump was conviced in New York, Florida applies New York's rules.

In 2021 New York made it legal for felons to vote so long as they are not incarcerated at the time of the election. Trump is not in jail so Trump
can vote.


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His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York, where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

Are you sure? I have a friend who is a convicted felon from NY, and he's a

ig

Trump guy, but he says that he's not allowed to vote.

Judges can decide not to strip, or permanently strip, voting rights. IIRC,
at least they can here.

Also, the 2021 NY law that made it legal for felons to vote so long as they
are not incarcerated during the election may not have been retroactive for those convicted before 2021. I am not sure about that.


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On 22 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

But that can't be true. That would completely negate the Ignorant Elitists talking point. :)

Like Project 2025 that had nothing to do with Trump they say what they say. Seems that the left are low information voters.

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On 22 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

You can believe what you want, but most of the rest of us know that he currently a convicted felon awaiting sentencing.

He's not... You might want to inform the authorities in Florida that a convicted felon voted last November.

Make sure you tell him about your Fidonet credentials to bolster your claims.

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On 22 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

Except you are leaving out the part where, if the conviction is in
another state, Florida uses that state's felony voting rights
procedures. Since Trump was conviced in New York, Florida applies New York's rules.

In 2021 New York made it legal for felons to vote so long as they are not incarcerated at the time of the election. Trump is not in jail so Trump can vote.

I was looking at the law while I was commenting to you...

From the ACLU...
:Start
I didn't You lose the right to vote in Florida if you
are convicted of a felony until you finish your
sentence, including prison, parole and/or
probation, and pay the money you were ordered
to pay by a court when you were convicted.
:Stop...

In Florida you can, as a convicted felon vote if you have served your entire sentence. Prison, parole, probation and fines are all paid up.

From the ACLU....
:Start
If you were convicted outside Florida, your
voting rights are governed by the state where
you were convicted. In many other states, you
automatically regain your voting rights when
released from prison or complete probation/
parole.
:Stop

:Start
Exception: if you were convicted in another
state of murder or sexual conduct that would
be a felony in Florida, your voting rights are
governed by Florida law.
:Stop

You can't molest a boy in Georgia, get caught and found guilty... Run to Florida and Vote for Kamala.


Felons regaining their right to vote in Florida was a more recent thing as well. Before these newer laws felons couldn't vote period. This cuts them some slack.

https://www.flgov.com/eog/leadership/people/ron-desantis/contact

^^^^^--- I left you a link so that you can contact Ron and let him know that Trump voted as a felon and had not completed his sentence... Don't forget to let him know about your FidoNET credentials

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From the ACLU....
:Start
If you were convicted outside Florida, your
voting rights are governed by the state where
you were convicted. In many other states, you
automatically regain your voting rights when
released from prison or complete probation/
parole.
:Stop

You do realize that this proves my point, right? In New York, you are
allowed to vote so long as you are not incarcerated. So, by your quote
above, "voting rights are governed by the state where you were convicted."
So Trump was convicted in New York, is not in jail, so he is allowed to
vote.

As of 2021, New York is not one of the "many other states" that make you wait until you serve your term. You are eligible so long as you are not serving it at the time of the election in question.

Trump was not in jail on Election Day so, as a felon convicted in New York, he was eligible to vote in Florida in November, 2024.

:Start
Exception: if you were convicted in another
state of murder or sexual conduct that would
be a felony in Florida, your voting rights are
governed by Florida law.
:Stop

You can't molest a boy in Georgia, get caught and found guilty... Run to Florida and Vote for Kamala.

I was not aware that Trump was convicted of molesting boys in Georgia. He
also doesn't hit me as a potential Kamala voter but, if you say so I guess
I have to take your word for both.

Felons regaining their right to vote in Florida was a more recent thing as well. Before these newer laws felons couldn't vote period. This cuts them some slack.

https://www.flgov.com/eog/leadership/people/ron-desantis/contact

^^^^^--- I left you a link so that you can contact Ron and let him know that Trump voted as a felon and had not completed his sentence...

I am sure that Florida knows a felon convicted in New York, who is not currently incarcerated and is therefore eligible to vote in Florida, voted.
It has been all over the news.

Don't forget to let him know about your FidoNET credentials

This is funny because you are wanting me to take your word for it and yet
those are your *only* credentials. You do realize how hypocritical that is, right?

I have researched this. I have only found one source, the New York Post,
that agrees with you -- and that article is several months old. Every
other article that I found, many which site legal experts (just like you
did), says "Trump is a convicted felon."

Now, I also found a couple who say he is a convicted felon but we should
not call him that because that is not "sensitive language" and is offensive
to persons convicted of felonies. Sounds like those might be up your alley since it triggers you so much.


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Like Project 2025 that had nothing to do with Trump they say what they say. Seems that the left are low information voters.

But we've known that for a long time now. But now even the Media... er. Propaganda Ministry can no longer ignore it.


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In Florida... A felon can vote after he's served his sentence...

Did you get it... That is there jail term, any parole and probation... AND the kicker in this case... PAID ALL FINES...

Well, since he's YET to be sentenced and she STILL OWES 100s of MILLIONS in fines he would NOT be eligible to vote in Florida, where he voted.

Other than murder and some sex crimes refers back to the original jurisdiction.

I sent you a MSN article explaining the need for a judge to finalize a conviction... It what makes a case final. Why... a judge could dismiss everything, based on law, they could alter slightly, based on law, or agree with the jury, based on law.

This judge has chosen to hear arguments to toss the case. Apparently he has until April 19th 2025 to do something, based on NY law.

Hunter's conviction is not complete yet... He can by a gun as long as he's not on drugs at the time.

I hope the new AG investigates this judge, and his daughter for profiting off this case... She raised millions for the DNC on her daddy's case.

Review https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-donald-trump-isnt-a-convicted-felon -yet/ar-BB1no6oV

Donald Trump's sentencing is set for July 11, 2024, just days before the Republican National Convention kicks off. So, we're in this strange limbo where he's guilty of felony crimes but not quite a convicted felon - at least not until he gets his official sentence. During sentencing, the judge will decide his fate, which could range from a slap on the wrist to time behind bars. Trump's crimes fall under the Class E felony category in New York, which is the lowest level of felony in the state. He could face a fine, probation, or up to four years in prison.


Please... Stop being like Alan.

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On 24 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Like Project 2025 that had nothing to do with Trump they say what the say. Seems that the left are low information voters.

But we've known that for a long time now. But now even the Media... er. Propaganda Ministry can no longer ignore it.

Elon is "Talking" about buying MSNBC... Changing their platform from hate to fact based news.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Elon is "Talking" about buying MSNBC... Changing their platform from
hate to fact based news.

That would, at the same time,
1. Freak out the Ignorant Elitists.
2. Get Elon and MSNBC on the "ground floor" for actual news today.

And it would make other places, like CNN, have to compete, which would freak the Elitists out even more.


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On 26 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Elon is "Talking" about buying MSNBC... Changing their platform from hate to fact based news.

That would, at the same time,
1. Freak out the Ignorant Elitists.
2. Get Elon and MSNBC on the "ground floor" for actual news today.

And it would make other places, like CNN, have to compete, which would freak the Elitists out even more.

MSNBC stands for Must Sell Network Before Christmas

They finally learned the hard way that News should be fact based.

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