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65. C tr< ra-<N NetClub. anN <! !ao<n?r%bN? ea- rpna ><>abr%?

A: (ML)

Hata2pNopar?2bN o uanE*!?-.

A: (BP)

C ><r<4 2<>!p2< rNp>N!?N p -<!r<po, !a t%N- rNpp?r<p?? io2 0r<r
uanE*!?-, a ra-aN p !Nb-<2%-?o t2N!<o !Nr-2pia. Ap<?o<*N2 i<2%*<-
paou<!, o pNop2%rarN bN-tab !Nr-2pi - oNb%4a >p?oar!<N oaoNnN!?N, a oa na2%!N-*?4? b>pao-a4? !an< <ipaoar%bN - aa!tNbp i?2?u-<4p [2:5020/374].

A: (Alexander Statnikov, 2:5020/443.11)

HNr-2pi !ao<n?2bN !Nna2N-< <r bra!u?? 4Nra< apoaaNob-aN.a<i?aa2?b% ra4,
o <b!<o!<4 E?n<*!?-?, a ra-aN t2N!o bNr? Goldnet (<n!a FTN-bNr-a,
-<r<aaN paN u<na 3 !N bpoNbropNr). caoNnN!?N io2< <tN!% !N>2<o<N.
e<!Nt!<, b -2pi<4 !?tNu< <ioNu< !N io2<. a-<aNN iaa. Aa4 >< ooo<n!o4
b<i?aa2?b% E?n<*!?-? ? p><raNi2N2? obNtNb-?N !a>?r-?. A<r<4 !N-<r<aoN ><br<N!!oN ><bNr?rN2? -2pia bra2? <tN!% >2<o< bNiN oNbr? - naaN ><

%N!? 4NiN2% 2<4a2? [!a -<2<!-ao <r a>>aaarpao ra!uNoa2? -- TT], na ?

NoN -a-?N-r< 2NooN 2En? bra2? ><No2Nr%bN. A<brp>a2? ><br<N!!oN aa2<io
<r an4?!?braau??. carN4 bnN2a2? b?brN4p t2N!broa. Hab-<2%-< N

<4!E, naaN >2ar?2? -a-?N-r< !Ni<2%*?N t2N!b-?N oo!<bo [10$/4NbNu? --

TT]. H< ? 0r< -2pi !N b>ab2<. An!aano, ra4 "<tN!% o<a<*<" <rn<o!p2?
E?n<*!?-?, ?b><2%opN naaN >?a<rNo!?tNb-?N baNnbroa. A<b2N 0r<u<
HNr-2pi oa-ao2?.

A: (TT)

Aru<4-<b!<oarN2N4 No2NNrbN o2anN2Nu E?a4o "eoao?oNbr" A2Nu iao<!%-<, oa!?4ao*N-bN o rN oaN4N!a (a 4<aNr ? bN-tab) n<brao-<- Nno >< ooo<op.
A<r<4 <! ><n-2Et?2bN - relcom ?, ><-4<N4p, - fido ? pa ra- N4p

<!aao?2?b% bNr?, tr< a<n?2?b% noa >a<N-ra - ISP Netclub

(www.netclub.ru) ? b<ibroN!< HNr-2pi, ?br<a?E -<r<a<u< oo ? >a<t?ra2?.

66. a<o<aNr, aaN!!?!ubp !N !aao?2bN Policy4?

A: (Mikhail Ramendik, 2:5020/768.45)

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To: Michael Ramendick <ramen@imb.mb.free.net>
From: tomj@wps.com (Tom Jennings)
Subject: Re: Fido & Communism
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In echo areas in Russian Fidonet, we have a discussion. Some,
including me, say that Fido is a free info exchange system and
therefore requires capitalism, so Communism in it is inappropriate.
Others say that we 'can not know' the position of the actual
founders of the net. So I decided to ask The Founder. So are Fidonet
and Communism compatible? Or does the Net require freedom for existance?

FidoNet was designed by a gay anarchist, who trusts himself and the
people that he personally knows. Yankee saying: "Good fences make good neighbors."

Self-determination and the physical ability to speak (not some "right"
allowed by any group of people) is what FidoNet was designed for -- due
to the nodelist design, neither you -- nor anyone else -- can *stop*
another person from "speaking" with FidoNet. Some policy may disallow
you, but short of visiting your house and assaulting you, they cannot
stop you.

I know that the Policy says we should not be peer-oriented. But we are
not talking about any administrative measures. I simply want to know
the opinion of the One Who Was First ;-)

Personally, I consider "policy4" to be a smelly old crock of shit. You
can quote me on that, only you will find many people have heard me say
it before... :-)

Note that "POLICY4" contains valid procedural advice and information --
how to assign numbers, how to define a functional system, and such. For
that it's fine. Otherwise, the actual policy is intended to let a small
number of people control the behavior and speech of another, larger
group of people. I immediately mistrust people who propose such things.
If they are young enough, I give them time to get over it :-)

--
World Power Systems -- San Francisco CA
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67. e!rNpNb!a bpn%ia b<ia-?, o tNbr% -<r<p<- !aooa2? bNr%.

A: (MR)

f b>?ba2bN b Tom Jennings'<4 [TJ] >< ?!rNp!Nrp. Fido !?-<una !N
bpoNbro<oa2. ebrar?, TJ ><Nb!?2, tr< Fido - <i<o!atN!?N no<p!Nu?, a 0r<
2pt*aN ><p<na b<ia-...

A: (Anatoly Shiroglazov, 2:5000/97.71)

aNu<n!N o b<bNn!N- nNaNop*-N (Mountain View, CA) o -<4>%ErNa!<4 4poNN oobrp>a2 <b!<oarN2% E?n<!Nr. Eabb-aoooa2 ><2r<aa taba -a- obN b<onaoa2<b% (-brar?, o<>aN-? -aab?o<- 2NuN!nN < b<ia-N Fido <! b-aoa2 tr< !aooa!?N n2N !<o<- bNr? <! ><oa?4bro<oa2 b o?o?r-? -a-<--r< -<4>%ErNa!<- -<!r<ao).

A: (Stas Degteff, 2:5080/102)

"Haooa!?N aN bNr? ><No?2<b% ra-?4 <iaao<4: aaN!!?!ub aai<ra2 -<!bp2%ra!r<4 o -a-<--r< 4N2-<- -<!r<aN, unN <!?, -a- o<n?rbN, >< oNtNaa4 >?2? >?o<. e <n?! ?o ra-?o oNtNa<o -r<-r< oatN4-r< !a>?ba2 !a o?o?r-N FIDO, ? >a?-2N?2 0rp o?o?r-p - -<4>%ErNap aaN!!?!uba. A<r<4 !a -<4>%ErNaN oaoN2ab% <n!<?4N!!aN BBS. Hp a pa ?o BBS--? ? ooa<b2a FidoNet." (b) a4?ra?- Co<ouNo

A< ><o<np b<ia-? "Fido": 0r< ><>p2Na!aN o ayC -2?t-a n2N b<ia-?, -<r<aaN tabr< ?b><2%opNrbN (p><4?!aNrbN) o ap-<o<nbroao n2N b<ia-<o<n<o-2Ei?rN2N-. C ><>p2Na!a
<!a ><r<4p, tr< ra- ooa2? b<ia-p Coaaa4a i?!-<2%!a. A<na<i!NN N !a>?ba2 o brar%N
apbb-<- e?-?>Nn?? "o?n< (b<ia-a)".

68. ea- A2Nua U<taa<oa ooiaa2? 4<nNaar<a<4 RU.SEX?

A: (TT)

An!aano, unN-r< o -<!uN 95u<, r<una*!?- 4<nNaar<a RU.SEX [A2Nu
eab?2%No, 2:5020/739 -- Alex Tumarkin, 2:463/287] <r-aoa2bN <r
4<nNa?a<oa!?N ? p*N2, !N !ao!at?o >aNN4!?-a. A<b-<2%-p 0r< io2a paN
na2N-< !N >NaoaN -araoab?N b< b4N!<- 4<nNaar<aa RU.SEX, r< ><n>?bt?-? <raNau?a<oa2? !a 0r< oN2<. C r<t!NN, o 4abbN bo<N- o<<ioN !N
<raNau?a<oa2?. uNaNo -a-<N-r< oaN4N, unN-r< o !ata2N 96u<, >Nta2%!<
?ooNbr!o- a?4a AaN2 [2:5020/139], -<r<a<4p, oNa<Nr!<, !an<N2<
aabb-aoooar% a!N-n<r ">a< -pa<t-p", aN*?2 pbra<?r% !<oo- ia2aua! ?
<inNo?2 "ooi<ao" 4<nNaar<aa RU.SEX, a bNiN - bi<a*?-<4 u<2<b<o. Aiot!aN >aa-r?-a +7 fido ra-<oa, tr< ooi<ao >a<o<nNrbN b <n<iaN!?N 2?i<
p*Nn*Nu< 4<nNaar<aa, 2?i< 0o<--<<an?!ar<aa. Han< 2? u<o<a?r%, tr< a?4N b<i2EnN!? br<2% 4N2-?o E<a4a2%!<brN- !N raNi<oa2<b%? C tr<io io2<
oNbN2NN, ba4 AaN2 bra2 NoN ? -a!n?nar<4, "ooi<ao" io2? <r-aoro4?,

<-!ro ptabro<oa2? o u<2<b<oa!?? ? ><iNn?rN2N4 io2 <inNo2N! Nu< aN
<-!r - A2Nu U<taa<o.

e <ioN4, obN 0ra ?br<a?N !N ?4NNr !? 4a2N-*Nu< <r!<*N!?N - ooi<aa4 o
r<4 b4ob2N, o -a-<4 0r< b2<o< ><!?4aNrbN o fidonet.

A: (MM)

======================================================================
* Area : R50.SYSOP
* From : Max Mikheenkov, 2:5020/9 (05 Mar 96 23:16)
* To : Ilia Kuliev
* Subj : su.game.trade ======================================================================
Hello Ilia,

On 27/Feb/96 at 14:23 you write:

a subj o<>p<tr? pN*N! - >pN-pab!<. i<a!< oanar% rNiN NoN <n?!
o<>p<b?

4<a!<.

AinNb!? 4!N, ><aa2p-bra, tr< >p<?bo<n?r o ru.sex? a?b<> po2a
/139 ><tN4p-r< >p<o<n?r ra4 ooi<po 4<nNpar<pa (o r< opN4N, -a-
b<u2ab!< 0o<2?bra i0-i<!a n5020, 4<nNpar<nbt?rooaNr
u<2<ba (>p? r<4, tr< ba4 aN ia22<r?ppNrbN !a 0r< 4Nbr<), ? ra-
na2NN. Ap<?bo<n?r 2? 0rp?o!a!o oa-<!!o4?.

Max

PS: ebrar?, ra4 op<nN io2 4<nNpar<p, ? unN <! bN-tab?

-!- MadMED v0.32a/OS2
! Origin: Bowhill's (2:5020/9.0) ======================================================================

A: (Alex Shirokov, 2:5020/396.36)

A: (TT)
An!aano, unN-r< o -<!uN 95u<, r<una*!?- 4<nNaar<a RU.SEX [A2Nu
eab?2%No, 2:5020/739 -- Alex Tumarkin, 2:463/287] <r-aoa2bN <r 4<nNa?a<oa!?N ? p*N2, !N !ao!at?o >aNN4!?-a.

HNr<t!<br%. e ENopa2N 1996 ApN2 oau2N!p2 o pp.bN-b >p<br< pao4Nr%bN. e
b4ob2N obNo <i<...r%. A! !a!Nb pNn 2?t!oo <b-<pi2N!?- (ApN2

<t?raNr <b-<pi2Nr% -<boN!!<, !a>p?4Np !aooao nNrN- <b-<pi2NN4<u< pi2En-a4?, aN!p - ><noai<p!<- *2Eo<- ? r.>. -a- <! 0r< nN2a2 o anpNb

<-<-!<u< aNpuNN Aa*-<oa o 4<0oN) ptabr!?-a4 - 4!N, 4<N- aN!N, A2Nup

eab?2%Nop, aNpuNE H<b<op, A<4N A<4-?!<- ? 4!<u?4 nppu?4.

Ha rpNi<oa!?N eab?2%Noa <r-2Et?r% Ap2a (a r<r io2 - r<4p 4<4N!rp

!o4 paonaEo?4 po2<4) !? NC, !? NEC !N <rpNau?p<oa2? (oap?n paN io2

o op<!?tNb-<4 nap!N). AioNbroN!!<br% 0o? !N >p?ptN!!aN -
_ba4<4<nNp?p<oa!?E_ <r>p <ppo?o ? p2E2E-aEo?o ><np<br-<o ?o
bo<?o 0o (-a-<--r< p<--4Nra22-paaot?!a, ?2? NoN tr<-r< ra-<N >a!-<o<N).
e -<!uN--<!u<o p A2Nua bna2? !Npoo ? <! b<oNp*?2-ra-? p<-<o<N
<rpNtN!?N.

A<b-<2%-p 0r< io2a paN na2N-< !N >NaoaN -araoab?N b< b4N!<-
4<nNaar<aa RU.SEX,

a4N!o io2?, -araoab?- !N io2<. f >p?*N2 rpna >p? Epo2?!b-<-. A!a
oaiNpN4N!N2a ? <rna2a ipaono A2Nup. e >p? aoNrN, ? >p? A2NuN o 0oN io2 !<p4a2%!o- (E?n<*!o- :) ><pNn<-.

r< ><n>?bt?-? <raNau?a<oa2? !a 0r< oN2<. C r<t!NN, o 4abbN bo<N-
o<<ioN !N <raNau?a<oa2?.

ENau?p<oa2?. Upp!<, !< !N nppa!<.

uNaNo -a-<N-r< oaN4N, unN-r< o !ata2N 96u<,

"eoi<po" !ata2?b% 1-<u< 4apra.

<-!ro ptabro<oa2? o u<2<b<oa!?? ? ><iNn?rN2N4 io2 <inNo2N! Nu< aN
<-!r - A2Nu U<taa<o.

aoN oa !NnN2E n< <-<!ta!?N ooi<p<o, <iNb>Nt?o bNiN i<2%*?!bro< u<2<b<o
oa btNr 2EnN- ?o nppu?o 0o (?2? o<<ioN o?prpa2<o?) U<tap<o <inNo?2

?b<- <r-2EtN!!oo. e tabr!<br? 4N!N ? H<b<oa. e4N!!< oa r<, tr< 4o

pi2?t!< >ora2?b% ob-por% ?o 4ao?!au?? b u<2<ba4?.

69. ea- >p<?bo<n?2< o!NnpN!?N Fido o 4abbo (N b2o*a2, tr< >p<br<
Non?2a -<4a!na ? iNb>2ar!< brao?2a aN2aEo?4 E?n<*!oN bra!u??)

A: (IG)

Uooa2< ? ra-<N

A: (SO)

ep<4N Ep<!no 1.99 r<una NoN !?-r< !?-a-<u< 4N-2Npa ? !N o!a2... C

<bN4p 4o ooa2?b% "nNapp!<- ip?uan<- >< !aoNb-N >NpNn!?o noNpN-" :-)

A: (VU)

A!a b<br<N2a ?o caia<n?!a [Q24], aa?oN!-< [2:5020/49] ? Aoa>-?!a
[2:5020/47]. aon?2? !a Aoa>-?!b-<4 (?4o<) ca><a<auN. eo <-<! Ha-r4aao
a?o<>?b!< oou2NnN2 ?o >a?Non, -<una ?o ra-<- 4a2N!%-<- 4a*?!-? oo2Noa2
oob<-?- eu<a% aa?oN!-<, a oa !?4 <ua<4!o- caia<n?!. a->

70. ea- ><No?2<b% ooaaaN!?N "4aona-"?

A: (Artie Kokorev, 2:5020/368)

ab2? paou<op<!?-!<oN!?? oopaaN!?N "must die" ? Nu< >p<?oo<n!oo o E?n<*!o- ? na2NN oNb% <bra2%!<- <-<2<-<4>%ErNp!o- b2N!u, a ra-aN < >p?t?!ao br<--<- abb<u?au?? <!<uNpo<4 >pNnbrao2N!??" <!<N io2< ?b><2!N!<
!a 4<r?o ?o JCSS (?, -aaNrbN, naaN >pN4< ><n ?upao*?- o r<r 4<4N!r n?b-
b b<<roNrbropEo?4 bap!nrpN-<4) b< b2<oa4? "... so like DOS before him,
Windows must die !" i<op!u bra!Nr b<obN4 ><!NrN!, Nb2? b-aoar%,
tr< "aor<po ? ?b><2!?rN2?" - Nb2? !N obN, r< i<2%*?!bro< - a?2? r<una
!a OS/2.

U<2NN r<u<, N naaN 4<up b<<io?r% < 4NbrN ? >p?4Np!<4 opN4N!? p<anN!?N <!<u< oopaaN!?N: a2pt?2<b% 0r< u<np o 93 ?2? 94 >p<*2<u< oN-a ;) !a >paon!<oa!?? t%Nu<-r< n!N p<anN!?N, >p<?bo<n?o*Nu< o ><noa2N n<4a a<2r<ob-<u< !a >p. i?pa, oa!?4aN4<u< r<una E?p4<- "e?U" (? 2:5020/204, >< b<o4Nbr?rN2%brop).
eo ptabr!?-<o - b<oNp*N!!< r<t!< ob><4?!aErbN /72 ? /79, o<o4<a!< io2 /238, ? 4!<u< !ap<na ?o /204.*. er< >Npb<!a2%!< No2N2bN aor<p<4 ?nN? - paN !N ob><4!E (o<rN, Nbr% ><n<opN!?N, tr< 0r< io2 oNna), !< r<, tr< >pNn2<aN!!o- "u?4!"
io2 b 0!rpo?ao4<4 ><nooatN! obN4? >p?bprbro<oao*?4? ? ><r<4 o rNtN!?N oNtNpa !Nb-<2%-< pao ?b><2!N2bN o<p<4 - Ea-r (rN>Np% paN, !aoNp!<N, ?br<p?tNb-?- ;)).

uNpNo !Nb-<2%-< 4NbNuNo ><b2N <!<u< ?br<p?tNb-<u< Ea-ra, b2<o< "4abrna--a" - o4NbrN b< b2<o<4 "tp-a-a" (p<n?o*?4bN r<una aN ? ra4 aN), - b!ata2a bra2< E?n<*!o4 <ioNp><rpNi?rN2%!o4 b?!<!?4<4 o?!n<o, ><r<4 b<-par?2<b% n< b2?r!<u< "4abrna-" (-<una !?-<4p !N !pa!< io2< <inNb!Nr% -r< ?4N!!< ? ><tN4p must die), a oarN4 ? o<<ioN ><rNpN2< ?bo<n!o- b4ob2, ? ?o o><2!N -<!-pNr!<u< 2<op!ua >pNopar?2<b% o aibrpa-r!<N ppuarN2%bro<. (e 0r<4 b4ob2N oa!Nr!< >p<b2Nn?r% 0o<2Eu?E "-a!<!?tNb-<u<" oopaaN!?N "Windows - sucks and must die" <r ?bo<n!<u< b4ob2a, -<una "sucks" No2N2<b% <uN!-<-, a "must die" - ><aN2a!?N4 ?2? o?nN!?N4 >Npb>N-r?o, - n< bNu<n!N*!Nu< "ba-b ? 4abna-", unN <ia b2<oa - ppuarN2%!oN, ? paN tpr% 2? !N ?b-<!!< ppbb-?N. ;))

H? - -a-?4 ?upa4 <!< ?o!ata2%!< <r!<*N!?N, paop4NNrbN, !N ?4N2<.

cc: e<<ioN aN, Nb2? ><rpNbr? ptabr!?-<o r<- up2N!-?, - o<o4<a!< pnabrbN
pbra!<o?r% ? >Npb<!a2%!< <roNrbroN!!<u< ;) oa ><No2N!?N oopaaN!?N,
>p<?o!<b?4<u< !o!tN pao!<<ipao!o4? >?<!Npa4? <n!?4 b2<o<4, iNo ip-oo "r"
? tNr-<u< ><!?4a!?N b4ob2a <!<u< o<<ioN... ;)

A<2!o- rN-br >?b%4a - http://teatime.msk.su/fhfaq/mustdie.txt

Alexandra Bayazitova (2:5029/10.38)

Hab-<2%-< N ><4!E, ooaaaN!?N "4abrna-" ><No?2<b% o 95 u<np (N r<una !a
raNr%N4 -pabN Ean?<rNo!?tNb-<- C-anN4?? pt?2ab%), -<una oo*2a _win95_.
e4N!!< NN <-aNbr?2? 4abrnaN4, a !N 3.11, -<r<apE obN 2Ei?2?.;)

e<<ioN, !N><!Nr!<, -a-pE oNab?E e?!no aor<a ?4NNr oo?np.
windows 1.0 oo*2a o !<NiaN 1985 u<na, -<una >NaoaN oNab?N ><2p<b? - o
1987 u<np.
Aa- tr<, !N2%oN u<o<a?r%, tr< "r<una obN b?nN2? !a os/2".
ab2? 3.* - r<, ?4o<, NN !?-r< bNa%No!< !N oa?!?4a2, tr<io !auaaanar%
ra-?4 oob<-?4 ooa!?N4, ? !N 4<u2a 0ra !auaana;) ra- *?a<-<

a<braa!?r%bN. C o<r win95 0r< io2 aNa2%!o- >a<aoo nNn? U?22?,

-<r<aaN aNa2%!< 4<u2a -<!-pa?a<oar% b ><2p<b%E ? E!?-ba4?. A<una NN,
?4o<, rN, -r< b?nN2 ><n ><2p<b%E ? 4a-a4? ? <-aNbr?2? "4abrnaN4",
?i< ">a<no?!pro4";) EooNaN4 <!a !N ><!aao?2ab% a o<r ta-!?-? oa !N-
o <tNaNn% bra!<o?2?b%;)
Aa- tr< !abtNr 93-94 u<na. 0r< u<!, ?4o<.

71. e<4p >a?!an2Na?r aor<abro< ooaaaN!?N "raao!? NN"?

A: (Mankubus, 2:5020/6664.1)

eo2<ap bo<E oNab?E b<ior?-. aao!<-nao!< iA (i?*a uNaN4?b?!<o) !a>?ba2 <n!< >?b%4<, o -<r<a<4 io2a Eaaoa "u2p>o*, raao!? NN". A!a 2Na?r !a 2aoNaN >< !aooa!?N4 "i?oa?2 uNaN4?b?!<o < b2aia-ao ? nN-bro??". C o bNaNn?!N 99 u<na (-aaNrbN, 4<aNr ? aa!%*N) 4N!N o <tNaNn!<- aao n<bra2? >?<!Nao o 0oN, ? N !a>?ba2 <-<2< 40 <roNr<o !a ba4oN aao!oN o<>a<bo, b<br<No?N ?o 0r<- Eaaoo :)

Hp a ><r<4 !aa<np ><!aao?2<b% :)

[trahni.txt]

72. er< ? ><tN4p piaa2 -<>?aa-r aaN!!?!uba ?o nodelist'a?

A:

Mon 31 Mar 97 9:27
By: Ward Dossche
To: David Moufarrege
Re: Re: Copyright Notice ======================================================================
Hello David,

What is the background of your dropping the Copyright Notice of the Z2-Nodelist?

Some time ago a person wanted to write non-commercially something
somewhere about Fido and kinda liked the art-work on the dog with the
diskette. (name of the person escapes me, but I seem to recall a
similar incident connected to the last Eurocon) So, truthfully
believing Tom Jennings holds a trademark on this (as was mentioned in
the nodelist and still is in Fidonews) he asks permission to use it,
which Tom flatly refused.

As I found this rather a strange reaction, out of curiosity I asked
some of our corporate lawyers to look into the copyright- and
trademark-issue of "Fido", "Fidonet" and the artwork of the dog-with-
diskette. (FYI, I'm Deputy-Director at the Belgian telco, employing
some 27,000 staff and we have acorporate-law-division who does nothing
else than copyright and trademark stuff)

As I so suspected for a long time, I received confirmation after
researching relevant trademark-bureaus that no references to the above
nor any trademark held by a Jennings Tom or Tom Jennings relating to
Fidonet or something similarly sounding exists.

Mark my words ... this covers the whole of Europe (east and west)
including Israel and Turkey. It says nothing about the USA.

We discovered however expired Fidonet-trademarks in the name of other individuals residing in Europe.

A quick search was done for Japan (where ZC/6 resides) without any TJ- trademark. Same thing in Argentina (homebase of ZC/4) where TJ holds
no rights but where, very puculiarly, another trademark called "Latin
Fido" is held by a local sysop (this is also reflected in the Z4-
nodelist).

So let me summarise :

There is _NO_ existing trademark in Europe in the name of Tom Jennings
nor Jennings Tom for "Fido", "Fidonet" nor the "dog-with-diskette"-
artwork.

Then why write it in the nodelist? I don't see one single reason.

Now let's not confuse "trademark" with "copyright".

If TJ wants to have a trademark on all those items then as far as I'm
concerned he can have it ... which means he must have his brand-names registered in each and every country - for zone-2 this means 35-
countries to be precise - and agree to pay the periodical hefty sum on
that. (worldwide 190+ ?)

This he has never done, nor will he do it, nor will anyone else
because it is just too expensive. "Control" over the nodelist can
never warrant such a high price nor can anyone ever expect a return on
that investment.

If anyone ever has any bright idea here to register the trademarks to
either "control" or "financially exploit" then I hereby post a claim
to be first in line to laugh that person straight in his/her face.

Less than a year ago there was the case of a company registering a
trademark on the wording "world wide web" and "www", which mind you
are nowhere legally protected. After initial astonishment by the internet-community the "owners" were quickly reduced to the laughing
stock even while they followed correct legal procedures. They tried to
exercise a claim and finally gave up because it was reasonably un-
enforceable.

With Fidonet it is exactly the same thing.

Now one final word about "copyright". TJ does not participate in any
way in the production of any of the nodelists nor any of the segments
that comprise the nodelist. Hence there is not one square inch of
legal ground for him to claim copyright over it.

The NC's could have a copyright over net-segments, the RC's over region-segments and the ZC's over zone-segments. Since the ZC's also
produce nodelists they could imo also post a copyright-notice for
their version of the nodelist although I think all these notices carry
little weight and are of little to no importance.

Anyone in zone-2 having problems with the nodelist without a TJ-
copyright/ trademark notification can always freq at this node the
elements it takes to produce their own nodelist.

Every current zone-2 region-segment can be freqqed here with the
magic-name REGIONxx where xx = regionnumber.

On top of that every zone-segment can be freqqed here following the
same logic : ZONEy where y = zonenumber.

It enables everyone who wants that to build his/her own customized
nodelist.

If a person e.g. only wants R24, R50 and Z3, then he/she freqs
REGION24, REGION50, ZONE3 and gives that to his/her nodelist-compiler.
How's that for openness, availability, service, whatever you wanna
call it?

If they want to include the original notice they can equally freq "TJ"
here so that bit of information is accessible as well although it
makes no difference.

As a sidenote, I already received threats for a court-case by one
Randy Bush, the same person when slamming the Fido-door shut behind
him stated it was nothing else but a litter-box reeking of cat-piss.

I understand some valid concerns about intentions and motives, but I
do have a more than full-time and well payed job so I don't need to
try to squeeze some extra pennies (at what cost?) out of some peoples
pockets. I believe it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for
any individual to grab control of the nodelist and make a buck out of
it.

If that happens then it is because the sysops allow it to happen,
personally I would just totally ignore such a person.

There's a lesson to be learned from our German friends who would never
take any shit like that. This they proved after some "grab control"-
exercises there.

I'm more worried about the censoring of Fidonews-worldwide by a ZC
which recently occured and nobody reacted upon it. Weren't you aware?

Thanks for writing. If there's more you want to ask, please do.

Take care,

\x/ard Dossche
ZC/2

73. er< >a?np4a2 r<au<oar% !<na4? o A?rNaN?

A:

ebo<n!<N >?b%4<:

Yoa : SPB.SYSOP
Ar : Akim Akimov, 2:5030/727.33@Fidonet.org (14 ENoaa2N 00 21:59)
a2N : All
AN4a: ob2yu? o <i2abr? Ey!-u?<!?p<oa!?N 2Ei?rN2%b-<- bNr? FidoNet.

Ha*a E?p4a pana >pNn2<a?r% oa4 bo<? yb2yu? o <i2abr? Ey!-u?<!?p<oa!?N 2Ei?rN2%b-<- bNr? FidoNet. ob2yu? <-aoooaErbN !abr<No?4? >p<ENbb?<!a2a4?, pai<raEo?4? !a po!-N o rNtN!?N n<2u<u< opN4N!? ? oapN-<4N!n<oao*?4? bNiN b ba4<- 2yt*N- br<p<!o.

_A<2ytN!?N !<n<o<u< anpNba:_

(e!?4a!?N! e >pa-b !N o-2EtN!a <>2ara yb2yu N5030C.)

a<brao2N!?N oaNo-? !a ><2ytN!?N !<n<o<u< anpNba: $5

[skip - pvp]

(Dmitry Meniaylov, 2:5030/494)

ouy. Yr? rp? o !y2? yapao*?obN >p<ENbb?<!a2a io2? C-?4, N, ? Cpb Ab?><o.
Ha b2NnyEoNN yrp< 4o n<2u< paa2?, t?raN bo<N ro<pN!?N.

A<2!aN oNab?N >?b%4a n<brp>!a >< oaa<bp "PRICE".

74. Ar-pna ><*2< b2<o< "a!nNn<o-a"?

A: (BP)

a<np NoN 0ra- o 93-4, N >a<t?ra2 !Nb-<2%-< a<4a!<o ar?oN!a e?!ua ?
<i!aapa?2, tr< oa4>?ao, a!nNno ? >a<taN !Na?r% o !?o !? aaop !N

<raNi2N2a b>?ar!<u<. A<b2N tNu< N n2N >a?-<2a !a>?ba2 >?b%4< (r< 2?

o MO.ECHO, r< 2? o MO.TALK) ><n baiaN-r<4: "ia-b e2<t-<o - undead" (<!
!a ba4<4 nN2N !N p><raNi2NNr b>?ar!<u< :-) ). Aa- obNo E?n<*!oo
raNooN!!?-<o ? !ata2? !aoooar%. C ba4< b2<o< "a!nNn<o-a" o <i<a<r ooN2,
imho, uaaNob-?-, paN r<una, -<una Nu< r?rp2<oa2? u2ao!o4 E?n<*!o4
a!nNn<4...

75. A<tN4y 4!<u?N 2En? o o?n< >?*yr obN b2<oa b >p<>?b!oo iy-o, ?u!<p?pyN >pao?2a pybb-<u< Noo-a? ur< 0r<: >p?oot-a, ?nyoaN <r npNo!?o -<4>%ErNp<o, b><bNaN<uN!-a o!at?4<br? b<ibroN!!<u< 4!N!?N (nNb-ar%, _4<?_

?b%4a !abr<2%-< ?!rNaNb!o, tr< ?o ? ra- >a<trpr) ?2? !a>2NoarN2%b-<N

<r!<*N!?N - b<iNbNn!?-p (na -r< <! ra-<-, tr< N >a2%uN4 no?ua2 shift !aa?4ar%?), tr< bpr% ><tr? <n!< ? r<aN. o<rN, aaop4NNrbN, <!? ba4? o
0r<4 !?-<una !N >a?o!aErbN - ob2po !aoooaEr -a-<--!?ipn% npaau-?- ><o<n

a <n!<oaN4N!!< b2<4a!!oo <i<?o -2ao?* Shift ? Caps Lock ?2?

rNaN2<u< nNrbroa !a ai/aa Yei).

76. A<tN4p o FidoNet >a?!Nr< <iaaoN!?N !a "ro", a <iaaoN!?N !a "eo" bt?raNrbN <b-<ai?rN2%!o4?

A: (Vladimir Sapozhnikov, 2:5052/10)

1) e<a!? ?!<braa!!oN, unN 0ra E<a4a2%!<br% "eo/Ao" <rbprbropNr -a- -2abb.
2) ANo!?tNb-? aao2?t?N "eo", "oo" ? "ro", 4N2<t%, a >prar%bN o 4!<aNbroN!!<4 t?b2N ? poaa?rN2%!<4 <iaaoN!??... imho !Nb-<2%-< "n<braNr".
3) Eao2?t?N o <iaaoN!?? "o 4?ap" tabr< oao?b?r <r 2?t!<u< o!a-<4broa, a o bNrNo <!< !N ?4NNr <>aNnN2NEoNu< o!atN!?N.
4) UNoo<o4Non!<br% <aua!?oau?? bNr? ><aaanaNr <r!<*N!?N, -<r<aoN b<<r!<b?4o b< bo<-b-?4?, napaNb-?4? <r!<*N!?N4?, ><bN4p n2N i<2%*?!broa 0r< bNr% napoN-, b< obN4? oorN-aEo?4? ><b2Nnbro?N4?, o r<4 t?b2N, >< >a?t?!N p-aoa!!<- o >p!-rN 3, <iotaE <iaaoN!?N !a "ro". C o -a-<4 b2ptaN napo%N !a "eo"? i?i< Nb2? ?4NNrbN aao!?ua o o<oaabrN, 2?i< Nb2? <r!<*N!?N >NaNbra2? ior% napaNb-?4?. e o?arpa2%!<- bNr? o<oaabr ><tr? !N ?4NNr o!atN!?N, <bra+rbN r<2%-< nN4<!braau?N bo<Nu< !Nuar?o!<u< <r!<*N!?N - b<iNbNn!?-p oa bt+r ?b-2EtN!?N Nu< ?o -apua bo<?o napoN- oooooaEo?4 ? n?bra!u?<!?apEo?4 <iaaoN!?N4 !a "eo".
...
HN ><4!E <r-pna, !< unN-r< t?ra2, tr< <iaaoN!?N !a "ro" o E?n< No2NNrbN pbra!<o2N!!o4 <iotaN4, !< Nb2? b<iNbNn!?- naNr ><!Nr%, tr< aN2aNr, tr<io - !N4p <iaaoa2?b% !a "eo", r< o 0r<4 b2ptaN <iaaoN!?N !a "ro" 4<aNr ior% >a?o!a!< !N-<aaN-r!o4.
Aa-<N aN2a!?N aNn-< ooaaaaNrbN No!<, bt?raNrbN n<brar<t!o4 >Nao<!ata2%!<u< <iaaoN!?N !a "eo" (ea* b2pta- :) ?2? ?4N o ><2N "From:" p-aoar% b <rtNbro<4, !a>a?4Na: "Vladimir N. Sapozhnikov".

77. Aaaona 2?, tr< ?o<iaaaN!?N b<ia-? b n?b-Nr<- o opiao oaaNu?bra?a<oa!< o -atNbroN r<au<o<- 4aa-??

A: (pvp)

Aaaona. ao?nNrN2%bro< .1503643, oona!< 13 bN!rNiaN 1988 u<na !a ?4N A<4a aaN!!?!uba.
aN-bropNr !a rNaa?r<a?? ayC, ba<- nN-bro?N -- 20 2Nr, r.N., n< 13 bN!rNiaN 2008 u<na.

[TRADE1.JPG, TRADE2.JPG, oa Ea-2o <rnN2%!<N b>ab?i< Alexei Zaiko <zaiko@navi.com.ru>]

78. Eabb-aa?rN ?br<a?E Eaaoo "HNr" ? o t+4 >a?-<2.

A: (Tim Morgulis, 2:5020/716)

Aa?-<2 02N4N!raaN!.Ha* >aNn><b2Nn!?- N5020C ooo<n?2 - !aa<np (i.e. o N5020.SYSOP) o baNn!N4 aao o ><2u<na, ? ?oaN-a2 bo<N -<<an?!ar<ab-<N
aN*N!?N >< a?o<raN>Nopo?4 o<>a<ba4 bNr? o o?nN <roNra !a -a-pE-2?i<
4Nbbaup. AroNr ><tr? obNuna b<br<N2 ?o <n!<u< ?o nopo -<a<r-?o b2<o ?

<n>?b?:

aa. HNr.
?2?
Farid. Farid.

A<b2N tNu< 2Ei<4p >a<n<2aao*N4p E2N-4?r% !abtNr na!!<u< o<>a<ba

a<r?o!?-? E<aoaan?2? 0rp 4Nbbaup, ra-r?t!< !a4N-aN "C !N ><aa 2? rNiN oar-!pr%bN, >a?NrN2%". ;) e -<!uN -<!u<o <-aoa2<b%, tr< !a 0r? <roNro p

oaa?na io2? !abra<N!o hotkey. :) Ai!aapa?2<b% 0r< ><b2N r<u<, -a-
<n!aano oaa?np >a?*2<b% n<>?bar% <n!p (AFAIK ><b2Nn!EE) ?o 0r?o Nu<
4Nbbau ap-a4?: "HNr. N nN2< 0r< aaoaNoooar% ><2?b?." (<aE<uaaE?N
<a?u?!a2a b<oaa!N!a:). Hp, a Eaaoa o<*2a o ?br<a?E.

79. Eabb-aa?rN >a< ">NaN>?b%".

A: (Eugene Pazhitnov, 2:5020/40.22)

(?!Ea <r aNpuNN ia>?!a, 2:5099/8)

- RU.ANEKDOT (2:5099/99.8) --------------------------------------- RU.ANEKDOT -
From : Maxim Tovstyuk 2:463/181.77 01 Oct 98 01:37:00
To : All 02 Oct 98 11:35:12
Subj : onap?4 >NpN>?b%E >< iNo<ipao?E o 0oN ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi , poaaaN4o- All !

aaoa-rN pbrp<?4 o 0oN >NpN>?b%, ? >pbr% 0r< ipnNr !a*?4 <roNr<4 !a oNb% 0r<r u!?2<- !au?<!a2?br?tNb-?- ipNn ! Apbr% obN !<p4a2%!oN 2En? ><n>?*prbN ><n 0r?4 >?b%4<4, rN4 ba4o4 nN4<pa2?o<oao obNo pi2En-<o . eNn% o?n<- 0r< bNr% nppoN-.

aEocLf AAeieeHeAaaL ! er< 4N!N b2o*?r !

f ob+ b-aoa2 !
Maxim Tovstyuk.

-+-
. Origin: ebN 4<nNpar<po - uano.Kp<4N 0r<u<,-<!Nt!<. (2:463/181.77)

C o<<ioN o>NpooN >NpN>?b% io2a oa>poN!a o ru.hacker, !N r< o 1996, !N r< o 1997 u<np -a- <roNr !a ><>or-p ooNbr? ">pN4<nNp?p<oa!?N".

A<2!aN oNab?N - http://teatime.msk.su/fhfaq/perepiss.txt

80. a tN4 boNoa!< <rbprbro?N ><2!oo >pao p ><-!r<o o Fido?

A: (TT)

eo!ata2%!< ><-!r<o o<<ioN !N io2<, io2? r<2%-< po2o. A<oaN, b>Nu?a2%!<
n2N bra!u?- >< aao!o4 >a?t?!a4 !N aN2aEo?o ior% t2N!a4? fido, b<ona2?
4Noa!?o4 ><-!r<o. a<<roNrbroN!!<, ><-!ro !N ?4NEr >aao ? !N !Nbpr
<iNoa!!<brN- >a<br< >< <>aNnN2N!?E. A>aNnN2N!<, tr< poN2 >aNnbrao2NNr
bo<?o ><-!r<o o fidonet ? !NbNr oa !?o obE <roNrbroN!!<br%, ><-!ro aN
<roNtaEr r<2%-< >NaNn i<bb<4.

81. ur< 0r< oa ?br<a?N < o?arpa2%!<br? Y-b2Naa?

A:

e<r ra-aN ?br<a?N:

From : LLeo, 2:5020/139 (10 Apr 97 00:29)
Subj : aN!bau?<!!aN !<o<br%!

HaeAAAEca AaAUaHHAaAe AUECcAeCHef eeEAoCiAe e oeaA
HC AEeiaEa CiaeaC YeaiaEC

H?-r< !N ipnNr ap?oar% r<r Ea-r, tr< o?prpa2<o o E?n< 4!<u<.
An!a-< E?n<*!?-? b-2<!!o !Nn<<uN!?oar% 4ab*raio 0r<u< No2N!?N.
aN-bro?rN2%!<, oNn% ><tr? -aano- E?n<*!?- o<r% pao o a?o!? >?ba2 >?b%4<
<r oo4o*2N!!<u< ?4N!?, 2?ip?o<n?r o u<2<op, tr< -a-<--r< -<!-pNr!o- tN2<oN-,
-<r<p<u< oo !?-<una !N o?nN2? 2?t!<, a 2?*% t?ra2? Nu< >?b%4a - o?prpa2.
H< naoa-rN oanp4aN4bN: n<>pbr?4 oo !?-<una !N ?o<ipaaa2? o?prpa2a ? oa4
n<><n2?!!< ?ooNbr!<, tr< !?-r< ?o oa*?o nppoN- ra-aN !N nN2a2 0r<u<.
e<o%4N4 ba4pE -pa-!EE u?Epp: n<>pbr?4 0r< nN2a2 o<r% pao o a?o!? -aano-
nNbNro- E?n<*!?-. Ap? r<4, tr< E?n<*!?-<o r<2%-< o i<b-oN >< 4N!%*N-
4NpN 10 robNt - 4o ><2ptaN4 robNtp (!) o?prpa2<o. A<ntNp-?oaE - r<2%-< o
i<b-oN.

[skip - pvp]

H<, iNopb2<o!<, ba4<- -pp>!<- 4?br?E?-au?N- p<bb?-b-<u< E?n< No2NNrbN
C2N-b Y-b2Np. aa, N !N 4<up !?-<u< o?!?r% o b2N><rN, ra- -a- !N poNpN!
!a br< >p<uN!r<o, tr< ba4<br<NrN2%!< ooNo?2 io Ea-r 4?br?E?-au??, o<r% N
? ><2%opEb% o E?n< pN>prau?N- a!a2?r?-a ? >p<u!<o?bra. An!a-< ra-

<2pt?2<b% (p?!?4a2 !N-<r<p<N

(o<r% ? -pa-!N 4a2<N) ptabr?N o b<ona!?? 0r<u< <ipaoa, ><0r<4p 4!N
?ooNbr!a ?br<p?N o<o!?-!<oN!?N C2N-ba Y-b2Npa ? 4!<u?N Ea-ro Nu<
na2%!N-*Nu< bpoNbro<oa!?N.
ANpoo4 nN2<4 b2NnpNr pabb-aoar% <r-pna ooN2<b% ?4N Y-b2Np. e i<b-oN,
!a t?broo >ppnao, o 0-<!<4?tNb-<4 <rnN2N ?!br?rpra aN<E?o?-? pai<raEr ?
!o!N *Nbr% tN2<oN-: E<4a! Y2%nap<o, a4?rp?- e<oa2No, C2N-b aran!?-,
e?p?22 iaopN!r%No ? U<p?b E<-r4a!. H? <n?! ?o !?o, -p<4N C2N-ba
aran!?-a, ? ><!o!N !N ?4NNr anpNba E?n<, ? ?4N!!< C2N-b, -a-
Nn?!broN!!o- E?n<*!?- o <rnN2N, >Npoo- >pNn2<a?2 ?nNE b<ona!?N
o?prpa2%!<u< >Npb<!aaa n2N -<22N-r?o!<u< ooo<na o E?n< obN- upp>><-.
ANpb<!aa ><2pt?2 ?4N C2N-b (>< ?4N!? aran!?-a), a Ea4?2?N Nu< io2a
b<brao2N!a ?o >Npooo ip-o Ea4?2?-: Y2%nap<o, e<oa2No, aran!?-,
iaopN!r%No ? E<-r4a!. carN4 "Yeai?E" io2< n2N i2au<oopt!<br? >NpNnN2a!<
o "YeaiNE". EabbtNr io2 >pao?2%!o-: >p<braN Ea4?2?N b-<pNN ipnNr >p?!Nra
oa Ea4?2?E o?prpa2a, o r< opN4N, -a- !N<iot!<N "Exler" ooo<oNr 4N!%*N

<n<opN!?-. a2N >poNu< -ppaaa (N, -brar?, b ba4<u< !ata2a io2

-arNu<p?tNb-? >p<r?o) ><n>?b% ><n >?b%4a4? Y-b2Npa u2ab?2a: "0r< !N
a2?ab, 0r< Ea4?2?N". aN-bro?rN2%!<, oau2N!po o ><?!r2?br, 4<a!<
<i!appa?r% 4!<aNbro< brpa!!oo Ea4?2?-, <n!a-< aN !?-<4p ?o !?o !N

p?o<n?r o u<2<op >?bar% "0r< nN-bro?rN2%!< 4<N Ea4?2?N".

[skip - pvp]

A<2!aN oNab?N - http://teatime.msk.su/fhfaq/exler.txt

82. f b2o*a2 >p< bnN4-? rp?22Npa < oo<!No?o !No<opN4N? A tN4 ra4 ?
-a- ><b4<rpNr%?

A: (Dmitry Baronov, 2:5020/80)

Yr< -ppr<- bNp?a2 paab<o "e<*4ap >< rN2NE<!!<- 2?!??". e<r 4<2<n<-

Nr?r!o- ta-!?- bpNn? iN2a n!N pan<br!< o-2EtaNr 4<nN4 ? oo<!?r ><

rN2NE<!p, !a-nN!!<4p o ><nip<*N!!<4 N4p !Nnppu<4 !<n2?brN. Ha Nu< iNnp
0r< rN2NE<! iaopN!r%Noa. e<!!N-r. eo n?!a4?-a n<!<b?rbN brpa*!o-
pNo, ?o -<4>prNpa oa2?r no4. Ha 0-pa!N o<o!?-aNr paab!aN p<aa b
-pab!o4? u2aoa4? ? <b-a2N!!o4? opia4?. Yr< iaopN!r%No.
- a<?upa2bN, uao!E-, - b<<ioaNr <!, - i<2%*N ro paN !?-<4p !N

<oo<!?*%, oa-oa-oa...

eo 0-pa!a oob<oooaNrbN pp-a o >Nptar-N b ip?roa4? ? ooaraNr iNn<2aup oa
u<p2<. ua-!?- o?oa?r, -<pt?rbN ? !a-<!Nu oar?oaNr.
- An!?4 4N!%*N, - pan<br!< <r4NtaNr iaopN!r%No, - rN>Np% <tNpNn% oa
Nu< i<bb<4. Y-pa! 4Nn2N!!< uab!Nr...

83. CiipNo?arppo ?4N!, ?b><2%o<oa!!oN o FAQ:

AE Andy Elkin, 2:5030/15
AEx Alex Exler, 2:5020/443
AEr Alexnder Erlikh, 2:5020/468
AY Alex Young, 2:5020/26
BD Boris Djatlov, 2:5020/261
BP Boris Paleev, 2:5020/113
BP2 Bob Popov, 2:5020/123
DM Dimitri Martemianov, 2:5020/306
DZ Dmitry Zavalishin, 2:5020/32
EF Eric Fletcher, 2:5000/10
IG Igor Grishenko, 2:5020/49
KB Koctya Boyko, 2:5020/37
KL Kirill Lebedev, 2:5020/251
MB Michael Bravo, 2:5030/10
ML Mikel Lavrentyev, 2:5020/35
MM Max Mikheenkov, 2:5020/9
MR Mikhail Ramendik, 2:5020/768.45
MT Mike Tyukanov, 2:5020/242
PK Pete Kvitek, 2:5020/6
PQ Yuri PQ, 2:5010/2
PS Peter Sobolev, 2:5030/84
SO Sergey Okhapkin, 2:5020/47
SQ Sergej Qkowlev, 2:5020/122
TJ Tom Jennings, Universe:Heaven/Creator
TT Timur Tsyganko, 2:5020/446
VS Vlada Stavsky, 2:5020/194.12
VU Valentin Uholkin, 2:5020/2

Rem eNnpo?- uCeA - pavel v protasov (pvp), 2:5025/38.206.
eNnpo?- uCeA - Valentin Kuznetsov, 2:5053/51.0
ab2? p oab Nbr% aN2a!?N ><><2!?r% uCeA o<>a<ba4? ?/?2? !<oo4? <roNra4?
- ><aa2p-bra, >a?bo2a-rN o<>aaao< aNna-r?a<oa!?N o<>a<b<o ? <roNr<o.

Cor<ab-?N ? b4Na!oN >aaoa !a <roNro, ><4NoN!!oN o uCeA, >a?!an2Naar
aor<aa4 b<<roNrbropEo?o <roNr<o. Cor<ab-?N ? b4Na!oN >aaoa !a
b<brao2N!?N uCeA >a?!an2Naar !o!N*!N4p ? >aNnonpo?4 (Alexander Erlikh, 2:5020/468, Timur Tsyganko, 2:5020/446, Pavel V Protasov (pvp),
2:5025/38.206) oNnpo?4.

84. eNi-aNbpabo

uCeA >pi2?-pNrbN -aano- 4NbNu o -<!ENaN!u?? FIDONET.HISTORY (o
uN-r<oa!!<4 o Internet o?nN <!a !aoooaNrbN fido7.fidonet.history).
Aa-aN oo 4<aNrN !a-r? Nu< onNb%:
http://www.debryansk.ru/~pvp/fhfaq/index.html, a Nb2? oo
o<r?rN bnN2ar% "oNa-a2<" -- 4<aNrN o<2%o<oar%bN aao?o<4 http://www.debryansk.ru/~pvp/faqhtml.rar, o -<r<a<4
!ao<n?rbN Nu< u?>NarN-br<oaN oNab?N.

e< ?oiNaa!?N ?o2?*!Nu< aaoaabra!?N FAQ, -<r<ao- ? ra- oa!?4aNr
paN i<2%*N b<r!? -?2<ia-r, 4!<u?N >a<u?r?a<oa!!oN o !N4 >?b%4a
b<-aaoN!o, <brao2N!< r<2%-< ba4<N ?!rNaNb!<N. ebN ><2!oN oNab??

?bN4 oo2<aN!o n2N b-at?oa!?N ? aab>a<braa!N!?N >< anaNbp: http://www.debryansk.ru/~pvp/fhfaq.rar. e r<4 aN aao?oN 2Naar ?

napu?N >?b%4a, ><-aoao*?NbN oNnpoN4p ?!rNaNb!o4? n2N t?rarN2N-
-<!ENaN!u?? FIDONET.HISTORY. ab2? -a-<--r< Ea-2 ?o aao?oa ?4NNr
<r!<*N!?N - o<>a<bp ?o FAQ, r< ><b2N <roNra !a 0r<r o<>aaNn?2).

Cao?o b<<ioN!?- -<!ENaN!u?? oo2<aN! o bNr? >< anaNbp: ftp://host.elcom.ru/pub/fidonet.history, ? oa!?4aNr <-<2< 20
4Nuaia-r.

Aa-aN bpoNbropNr rN-br "Yo<-<!ENaN!u?? bNr? FidoNet ? ?o 4<nNa?a<oa!?N", !a>?ba!!o- ANra<4 a<i<2Noo4 (PS) ? oo2<aN!!o- >< anaNbp: http://www.enlight.ru/ib/also/fidoecho

85. A<aa paN o FAQ oa>?b% bnN2ar% < a4?ra?? iNnoNnNoN ? "u?>NarN-br<o<4
oN-r<a!<4 E?n<!NrN"

*====ANaNb2a2: Stas Degteff (2:5080/102.1)===========================
* eo -<!ENaN!u?? : SU.CHAINIK.GENERAL (e<>p<co !at-o !a 2EiyE rN4y)
* Ar : Maksim Konovalov, 2:5083/86.400 (16 <-r 11 13:30)
* e : All
* AN4a : iNnoNnNo o o?n<) *====================================================================
@Posted: 16 Oct 11 15:09:02
Aa?oNrbropE!

a<b<>na, 0r< tr< *pr-a???
e<r bbo2-a !a a<2?- o ErEiN, unN iNnoNnNo aabb-aoooaNr < r<4, tr< ra-<N E?n<. a-aa?rN a anaNb r<aN2a!?N4?,
ia-b?4
-+- vFido [http://vkontakte.ru/app1899212]
+ Origin: Dark station [reb0rn] (2:5083/86.400) =====================================================================

--- e<4<nNa<i<r CONCORD.BBS V0.95/OS2 18.11.07
# Origin: eoo<ap !<ooN ><a<no oeaAa<i<r<o! (2:5053/51)
* Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)

From RexxRobot@1:2320/100 to All on Wed Mar 15 00:03:13 2017

65. C tr< ra-<N NetClub. anN <! !ao<n?r%bN? ea- rpna ><>abr%?

A: (ML)

Hata2pNopar?2bN o uanE*!?-.

A: (BP)

C ><r<4 2<>!p2< rNp>N!?N p -<!r<po, !a t%N- rNpp?r<p?? io2 0r<r
uanE*!?-, a ra-aN p !Nb-<2%-?o t2N!<o !Nr-2pia. Ap<?o<*N2 i<2%*<-
paou<!, o pNop2%rarN bN-tab !Nr-2pi - oNb%4a >p?oar!<N oaoNnN!?N, a oa na2%!N-*?4? b>pao-a4? !an< <ipaoar%bN - aa!tNbp i?2?u-<4p [2:5020/374].

A: (Alexander Statnikov, 2:5020/443.11)

HNr-2pi !ao<n?2bN !Nna2N-< <r bra!u?? 4Nra< apoaaNob-aN.a<i?aa2?b% ra4,
o <b!<o!<4 E?n<*!?-?, a ra-aN t2N!o bNr? Goldnet (<n!a FTN-bNr-a,
-<r<aaN paN u<na 3 !N bpoNbropNr). caoNnN!?N io2< <tN!% !N>2<o<N.
e<!Nt!<, b -2pi<4 !?tNu< <ioNu< !N io2<. a-<aNN iaa. Aa4 >< ooo<n!o4
b<i?aa2?b% E?n<*!?-? ? p><raNi2N2? obNtNb-?N !a>?r-?. A<r<4 !N-<r<aoN ><br<N!!oN ><bNr?rN2? -2pia bra2? <tN!% >2<o< bNiN oNbr? - naaN ><

%N!? 4NiN2% 2<4a2? [!a -<2<!-ao <r a>>aaarpao ra!uNoa2? -- TT], na ?

NoN -a-?N-r< 2NooN 2En? bra2? ><No2Nr%bN. A<brp>a2? ><br<N!!oN aa2<io
<r an4?!?braau??. carN4 bnN2a2? b?brN4p t2N!broa. Hab-<2%-< N

<4!E, naaN >2ar?2? -a-?N-r< !Ni<2%*?N t2N!b-?N oo!<bo [10$/4NbNu? --

TT]. H< ? 0r< -2pi !N b>ab2<. An!aano, ra4 "<tN!% o<a<*<" <rn<o!p2?
E?n<*!?-?, ?b><2%opN naaN >?a<rNo!?tNb-?N baNnbroa. A<b2N 0r<u<
HNr-2pi oa-ao2?.

A: (TT)

Aru<4-<b!<oarN2N4 No2NNrbN o2anN2Nu E?a4o "eoao?oNbr" A2Nu iao<!%-<, oa!?4ao*N-bN o rN oaN4N!a (a 4<aNr ? bN-tab) n<brao-<- Nno >< ooo<op.
A<r<4 <! ><n-2Et?2bN - relcom ?, ><-4<N4p, - fido ? pa ra- N4p

<!aao?2?b% bNr?, tr< a<n?2?b% noa >a<N-ra - ISP Netclub

(www.netclub.ru) ? b<ibroN!< HNr-2pi, ?br<a?E -<r<a<u< oo ? >a<t?ra2?.

66. a<o<aNr, aaN!!?!ubp !N !aao?2bN Policy4?

A: (Mikhail Ramendik, 2:5020/768.45)

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 22:42:09 -0800
To: Michael Ramendick <ramen@imb.mb.free.net>
From: tomj@wps.com (Tom Jennings)
Subject: Re: Fido & Communism
X-Charset: Cyrillic

In echo areas in Russian Fidonet, we have a discussion. Some,
including me, say that Fido is a free info exchange system and
therefore requires capitalism, so Communism in it is inappropriate.
Others say that we 'can not know' the position of the actual
founders of the net. So I decided to ask The Founder. So are Fidonet
and Communism compatible? Or does the Net require freedom for existance?

FidoNet was designed by a gay anarchist, who trusts himself and the
people that he personally knows. Yankee saying: "Good fences make good neighbors."

Self-determination and the physical ability to speak (not some "right"
allowed by any group of people) is what FidoNet was designed for -- due
to the nodelist design, neither you -- nor anyone else -- can *stop*
another person from "speaking" with FidoNet. Some policy may disallow
you, but short of visiting your house and assaulting you, they cannot
stop you.

I know that the Policy says we should not be peer-oriented. But we are
not talking about any administrative measures. I simply want to know
the opinion of the One Who Was First ;-)

Personally, I consider "policy4" to be a smelly old crock of shit. You
can quote me on that, only you will find many people have heard me say
it before... :-)

Note that "POLICY4" contains valid procedural advice and information --
how to assign numbers, how to define a functional system, and such. For
that it's fine. Otherwise, the actual policy is intended to let a small
number of people control the behavior and speech of another, larger
group of people. I immediately mistrust people who propose such things.
If they are young enough, I give them time to get over it :-)

--
World Power Systems -- San Francisco CA
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67. e!rNpNb!a bpn%ia b<ia-?, o tNbr% -<r<p<- !aooa2? bNr%.

A: (MR)

f b>?ba2bN b Tom Jennings'<4 [TJ] >< ?!rNp!Nrp. Fido !?-<una !N
bpoNbro<oa2. ebrar?, TJ ><Nb!?2, tr< Fido - <i<o!atN!?N no<p!Nu?, a 0r<
2pt*aN ><p<na b<ia-...

A: (Anatoly Shiroglazov, 2:5000/97.71)

aNu<n!N o b<bNn!N- nNaNop*-N (Mountain View, CA) o -<4>%ErNa!<4 4poNN oobrp>a2 <b!<oarN2% E?n<!Nr. Eabb-aoooa2 ><2r<aa taba -a- obN b<onaoa2<b% (-brar?, o<>aN-? -aab?o<- 2NuN!nN < b<ia-N Fido <! b-aoa2 tr< !aooa!?N n2N !<o<- bNr? <! ><oa?4bro<oa2 b o?o?r-? -a-<--r< -<4>%ErNa!<- -<!r<ao).

A: (Stas Degteff, 2:5080/102)

"Haooa!?N aN bNr? ><No?2<b% ra-?4 <iaao<4: aaN!!?!ub aai<ra2 -<!bp2%ra!r<4 o -a-<--r< 4N2-<- -<!r<aN, unN <!?, -a- o<n?rbN, >< oNtNaa4 >?2? >?o<. e <n?! ?o ra-?o oNtNa<o -r<-r< oatN4-r< !a>?ba2 !a o?o?r-N FIDO, ? >a?-2N?2 0rp o?o?r-p - -<4>%ErNap aaN!!?!uba. A<r<4 !a -<4>%ErNaN oaoN2ab% <n!<?4N!!aN BBS. Hp a pa ?o BBS--? ? ooa<b2a FidoNet." (b) a4?ra?- Co<ouNo

A< ><o<np b<ia-? "Fido": 0r< ><>p2Na!aN o ayC -2?t-a n2N b<ia-?, -<r<aaN tabr< ?b><2%opNrbN (p><4?!aNrbN) o ap-<o<nbroao n2N b<ia-<o<n<o-2Ei?rN2N-. C ><>p2Na!a
<!a ><r<4p, tr< ra- ooa2? b<ia-p Coaaa4a i?!-<2%!a. A<na<i!NN N !a>?ba2 o brar%N
apbb-<- e?-?>Nn?? "o?n< (b<ia-a)".

68. ea- A2Nua U<taa<oa ooiaa2? 4<nNaar<a<4 RU.SEX?

A: (TT)

An!aano, unN-r< o -<!uN 95u<, r<una*!?- 4<nNaar<a RU.SEX [A2Nu
eab?2%No, 2:5020/739 -- Alex Tumarkin, 2:463/287] <r-aoa2bN <r
4<nNa?a<oa!?N ? p*N2, !N !ao!at?o >aNN4!?-a. A<b-<2%-p 0r< io2a paN
na2N-< !N >NaoaN -araoab?N b< b4N!<- 4<nNaar<aa RU.SEX, r< ><n>?bt?-? <raNau?a<oa2? !a 0r< oN2<. C r<t!NN, o 4abbN bo<N- o<<ioN !N
<raNau?a<oa2?. uNaNo -a-<N-r< oaN4N, unN-r< o !ata2N 96u<, >Nta2%!<
?ooNbr!o- a?4a AaN2 [2:5020/139], -<r<a<4p, oNa<Nr!<, !an<N2<
aabb-aoooar% a!N-n<r ">a< -pa<t-p", aN*?2 pbra<?r% !<oo- ia2aua! ?
<inNo?2 "ooi<ao" 4<nNaar<aa RU.SEX, a bNiN - bi<a*?-<4 u<2<b<o. Aiot!aN >aa-r?-a +7 fido ra-<oa, tr< ooi<ao >a<o<nNrbN b <n<iaN!?N 2?i<
p*Nn*Nu< 4<nNaar<aa, 2?i< 0o<--<<an?!ar<aa. Han< 2? u<o<a?r%, tr< a?4N b<i2EnN!? br<2% 4N2-?o E<a4a2%!<brN- !N raNi<oa2<b%? C tr<io io2<
oNbN2NN, ba4 AaN2 bra2 NoN ? -a!n?nar<4, "ooi<ao" io2? <r-aoro4?,

<-!ro ptabro<oa2? o u<2<b<oa!?? ? ><iNn?rN2N4 io2 <inNo2N! Nu< aN
<-!r - A2Nu U<taa<o.

e <ioN4, obN 0ra ?br<a?N !N ?4NNr !? 4a2N-*Nu< <r!<*N!?N - ooi<aa4 o
r<4 b4ob2N, o -a-<4 0r< b2<o< ><!?4aNrbN o fidonet.

A: (MM)

======================================================================
* Area : R50.SYSOP
* From : Max Mikheenkov, 2:5020/9 (05 Mar 96 23:16)
* To : Ilia Kuliev
* Subj : su.game.trade ======================================================================
Hello Ilia,

On 27/Feb/96 at 14:23 you write:

a subj o<>p<tr? pN*N! - >pN-pab!<. i<a!< oanar% rNiN NoN <n?!
o<>p<b?

4<a!<.

AinNb!? 4!N, ><aa2p-bra, tr< >p<?bo<n?r o ru.sex? a?b<> po2a
/139 ><tN4p-r< >p<o<n?r ra4 ooi<po 4<nNpar<pa (o r< opN4N, -a-
b<u2ab!< 0o<2?bra i0-i<!a n5020, 4<nNpar<nbt?rooaNr
u<2<ba (>p? r<4, tr< ba4 aN ia22<r?ppNrbN !a 0r< 4Nbr<), ? ra-
na2NN. Ap<?bo<n?r 2? 0rp?o!a!o oa-<!!o4?.

Max

PS: ebrar?, ra4 op<nN io2 4<nNpar<p, ? unN <! bN-tab?

-!- MadMED v0.32a/OS2
! Origin: Bowhill's (2:5020/9.0) ======================================================================

A: (Alex Shirokov, 2:5020/396.36)

A: (TT)
An!aano, unN-r< o -<!uN 95u<, r<una*!?- 4<nNaar<a RU.SEX [A2Nu
eab?2%No, 2:5020/739 -- Alex Tumarkin, 2:463/287] <r-aoa2bN <r 4<nNa?a<oa!?N ? p*N2, !N !ao!at?o >aNN4!?-a.

HNr<t!<br%. e ENopa2N 1996 ApN2 oau2N!p2 o pp.bN-b >p<br< pao4Nr%bN. e
b4ob2N obNo <i<...r%. A! !a!Nb pNn 2?t!oo <b-<pi2N!?- (ApN2

<t?raNr <b-<pi2Nr% -<boN!!<, !a>p?4Np !aooao nNrN- <b-<pi2NN4<u< pi2En-a4?, aN!p - ><noai<p!<- *2Eo<- ? r.>. -a- <! 0r< nN2a2 o anpNb

<-<-!<u< aNpuNN Aa*-<oa o 4<0oN) ptabr!?-a4 - 4!N, 4<N- aN!N, A2Nup

eab?2%Nop, aNpuNE H<b<op, A<4N A<4-?!<- ? 4!<u?4 nppu?4.

Ha rpNi<oa!?N eab?2%Noa <r-2Et?r% Ap2a (a r<r io2 - r<4p 4<4N!rp

!o4 paonaEo?4 po2<4) !? NC, !? NEC !N <rpNau?p<oa2? (oap?n paN io2

o op<!?tNb-<4 nap!N). AioNbroN!!<br% 0o? !N >p?ptN!!aN -
_ba4<4<nNp?p<oa!?E_ <r>p <ppo?o ? p2E2E-aEo?o ><np<br-<o ?o
bo<?o 0o (-a-<--r< p<--4Nra22-paaot?!a, ?2? NoN tr<-r< ra-<N >a!-<o<N).
e -<!uN--<!u<o p A2Nua bna2? !Npoo ? <! b<oNp*?2-ra-? p<-<o<N
<rpNtN!?N.

A<b-<2%-p 0r< io2a paN na2N-< !N >NaoaN -araoab?N b< b4N!<-
4<nNaar<aa RU.SEX,

a4N!o io2?, -araoab?- !N io2<. f >p?*N2 rpna >p? Epo2?!b-<-. A!a
oaiNpN4N!N2a ? <rna2a ipaono A2Nup. e >p? aoNrN, ? >p? A2NuN o 0oN io2 !<p4a2%!o- (E?n<*!o- :) ><pNn<-.

r< ><n>?bt?-? <raNau?a<oa2? !a 0r< oN2<. C r<t!NN, o 4abbN bo<N-
o<<ioN !N <raNau?a<oa2?.

ENau?p<oa2?. Upp!<, !< !N nppa!<.

uNaNo -a-<N-r< oaN4N, unN-r< o !ata2N 96u<,

"eoi<po" !ata2?b% 1-<u< 4apra.

<-!ro ptabro<oa2? o u<2<b<oa!?? ? ><iNn?rN2N4 io2 <inNo2N! Nu< aN
<-!r - A2Nu U<taa<o.

aoN oa !NnN2E n< <-<!ta!?N ooi<p<o, <iNb>Nt?o bNiN i<2%*?!bro< u<2<b<o
oa btNr 2EnN- ?o nppu?o 0o (?2? o<<ioN o?prpa2<o?) U<tap<o <inNo?2

?b<- <r-2EtN!!oo. e tabr!<br? 4N!N ? H<b<oa. e4N!!< oa r<, tr< 4o

pi2?t!< >ora2?b% ob-por% ?o 4ao?!au?? b u<2<ba4?.

69. ea- >p<?bo<n?2< o!NnpN!?N Fido o 4abbo (N b2o*a2, tr< >p<br<
Non?2a -<4a!na ? iNb>2ar!< brao?2a aN2aEo?4 E?n<*!oN bra!u??)

A: (IG)

Uooa2< ? ra-<N

A: (SO)

ep<4N Ep<!no 1.99 r<una NoN !?-r< !?-a-<u< 4N-2Npa ? !N o!a2... C

<bN4p 4o ooa2?b% "nNapp!<- ip?uan<- >< !aoNb-N >NpNn!?o noNpN-" :-)

A: (VU)

A!a b<br<N2a ?o caia<n?!a [Q24], aa?oN!-< [2:5020/49] ? Aoa>-?!a
[2:5020/47]. aon?2? !a Aoa>-?!b-<4 (?4o<) ca><a<auN. eo <-<! Ha-r4aao
a?o<>?b!< oou2NnN2 ?o >a?Non, -<una ?o ra-<- 4a2N!%-<- 4a*?!-? oo2Noa2
oob<-?- eu<a% aa?oN!-<, a oa !?4 <ua<4!o- caia<n?!. a->

70. ea- ><No?2<b% ooaaaN!?N "4aona-"?

A: (Artie Kokorev, 2:5020/368)

ab2? paou<op<!?-!<oN!?? oopaaN!?N "must die" ? Nu< >p<?oo<n!oo o E?n<*!o- ? na2NN oNb% <bra2%!<- <-<2<-<4>%ErNp!o- b2N!u, a ra-aN < >p?t?!ao br<--<- abb<u?au?? <!<uNpo<4 >pNnbrao2N!??" <!<N io2< ?b><2!N!<
!a 4<r?o ?o JCSS (?, -aaNrbN, naaN >pN4< ><n ?upao*?- o r<r 4<4N!r n?b-
b b<<roNrbropEo?4 bap!nrpN-<4) b< b2<oa4? "... so like DOS before him,
Windows must die !" i<op!u bra!Nr b<obN4 ><!NrN!, Nb2? b-aoar%,
tr< "aor<po ? ?b><2!?rN2?" - Nb2? !N obN, r< i<2%*?!bro< - a?2? r<una
!a OS/2.

U<2NN r<u<, N naaN 4<up b<<io?r% < 4NbrN ? >p?4Np!<4 opN4N!? p<anN!?N <!<u< oopaaN!?N: a2pt?2<b% 0r< u<np o 93 ?2? 94 >p<*2<u< oN-a ;) !a >paon!<oa!?? t%Nu<-r< n!N p<anN!?N, >p<?bo<n?o*Nu< o ><noa2N n<4a a<2r<ob-<u< !a >p. i?pa, oa!?4aN4<u< r<una E?p4<- "e?U" (? 2:5020/204, >< b<o4Nbr?rN2%brop).
eo ptabr!?-<o - b<oNp*N!!< r<t!< ob><4?!aErbN /72 ? /79, o<o4<a!< io2 /238, ? 4!<u< !ap<na ?o /204.*. er< >Npb<!a2%!< No2N2bN aor<p<4 ?nN? - paN !N ob><4!E (o<rN, Nbr% ><n<opN!?N, tr< 0r< io2 oNna), !< r<, tr< >pNn2<aN!!o- "u?4!"
io2 b 0!rpo?ao4<4 ><nooatN! obN4? >p?bprbro<oao*?4? ? ><r<4 o rNtN!?N oNtNpa !Nb-<2%-< pao ?b><2!N2bN o<p<4 - Ea-r (rN>Np% paN, !aoNp!<N, ?br<p?tNb-?- ;)).

uNpNo !Nb-<2%-< 4NbNuNo ><b2N <!<u< ?br<p?tNb-<u< Ea-ra, b2<o< "4abrna--a" - o4NbrN b< b2<o<4 "tp-a-a" (p<n?o*?4bN r<una aN ? ra4 aN), - b!ata2a bra2< E?n<*!o4 <ioNp><rpNi?rN2%!o4 b?!<!?4<4 o?!n<o, ><r<4 b<-par?2<b% n< b2?r!<u< "4abrna-" (-<una !?-<4p !N !pa!< io2< <inNb!Nr% -r< ?4N!!< ? ><tN4p must die), a oarN4 ? o<<ioN ><rNpN2< ?bo<n!o- b4ob2, ? ?o o><2!N -<!-pNr!<u< 2<op!ua >pNopar?2<b% o aibrpa-r!<N ppuarN2%bro<. (e 0r<4 b4ob2N oa!Nr!< >p<b2Nn?r% 0o<2Eu?E "-a!<!?tNb-<u<" oopaaN!?N "Windows - sucks and must die" <r ?bo<n!<u< b4ob2a, -<una "sucks" No2N2<b% <uN!-<-, a "must die" - ><aN2a!?N4 ?2? o?nN!?N4 >Npb>N-r?o, - n< bNu<n!N*!Nu< "ba-b ? 4abna-", unN <ia b2<oa - ppuarN2%!oN, ? paN tpr% 2? !N ?b-<!!< ppbb-?N. ;))

H? - -a-?4 ?upa4 <!< ?o!ata2%!< <r!<*N!?N, paop4NNrbN, !N ?4N2<.

cc: e<<ioN aN, Nb2? ><rpNbr? ptabr!?-<o r<- up2N!-?, - o<o4<a!< pnabrbN
pbra!<o?r% ? >Npb<!a2%!< <roNrbroN!!<u< ;) oa ><No2N!?N oopaaN!?N,
>p<?o!<b?4<u< !o!tN pao!<<ipao!o4? >?<!Npa4? <n!?4 b2<o<4, iNo ip-oo "r"
? tNr-<u< ><!?4a!?N b4ob2a <!<u< o<<ioN... ;)

A<2!o- rN-br >?b%4a - http://teatime.msk.su/fhfaq/mustdie.txt

Alexandra Bayazitova (2:5029/10.38)

Hab-<2%-< N ><4!E, ooaaaN!?N "4abrna-" ><No?2<b% o 95 u<np (N r<una !a
raNr%N4 -pabN Ean?<rNo!?tNb-<- C-anN4?? pt?2ab%), -<una oo*2a _win95_.
e4N!!< NN <-aNbr?2? 4abrnaN4, a !N 3.11, -<r<apE obN 2Ei?2?.;)

e<<ioN, !N><!Nr!<, -a-pE oNab?E e?!no aor<a ?4NNr oo?np.
windows 1.0 oo*2a o !<NiaN 1985 u<na, -<una >NaoaN oNab?N ><2p<b? - o
1987 u<np.
Aa- tr<, !N2%oN u<o<a?r%, tr< "r<una obN b?nN2? !a os/2".
ab2? 3.* - r<, ?4o<, NN !?-r< bNa%No!< !N oa?!?4a2, tr<io !auaaanar%
ra-?4 oob<-?4 ooa!?N4, ? !N 4<u2a 0ra !auaana;) ra- *?a<-<

a<braa!?r%bN. C o<r win95 0r< io2 aNa2%!o- >a<aoo nNn? U?22?,

-<r<aaN aNa2%!< 4<u2a -<!-pa?a<oar% b ><2p<b%E ? E!?-ba4?. A<una NN,
?4o<, rN, -r< b?nN2 ><n ><2p<b%E ? 4a-a4? ? <-aNbr?2? "4abrnaN4",
?i< ">a<no?!pro4";) EooNaN4 <!a !N ><!aao?2ab% a o<r ta-!?-? oa !N-
o <tNaNn% bra!<o?2?b%;)
Aa- tr< !abtNr 93-94 u<na. 0r< u<!, ?4o<.

71. e<4p >a?!an2Na?r aor<abro< ooaaaN!?N "raao!? NN"?

A: (Mankubus, 2:5020/6664.1)

eo2<ap bo<E oNab?E b<ior?-. aao!<-nao!< iA (i?*a uNaN4?b?!<o) !a>?ba2 <n!< >?b%4<, o -<r<a<4 io2a Eaaoa "u2p>o*, raao!? NN". A!a 2Na?r !a 2aoNaN >< !aooa!?N4 "i?oa?2 uNaN4?b?!<o < b2aia-ao ? nN-bro??". C o bNaNn?!N 99 u<na (-aaNrbN, 4<aNr ? aa!%*N) 4N!N o <tNaNn!<- aao n<bra2? >?<!Nao o 0oN, ? N !a>?ba2 <-<2< 40 <roNr<o !a ba4oN aao!oN o<>a<bo, b<br<No?N ?o 0r<- Eaaoo :)

Hp a ><r<4 !aa<np ><!aao?2<b% :)

[trahni.txt]

72. er< ? ><tN4p piaa2 -<>?aa-r aaN!!?!uba ?o nodelist'a?

A:

Mon 31 Mar 97 9:27
By: Ward Dossche
To: David Moufarrege
Re: Re: Copyright Notice ======================================================================
Hello David,

What is the background of your dropping the Copyright Notice of the Z2-Nodelist?

Some time ago a person wanted to write non-commercially something
somewhere about Fido and kinda liked the art-work on the dog with the
diskette. (name of the person escapes me, but I seem to recall a
similar incident connected to the last Eurocon) So, truthfully
believing Tom Jennings holds a trademark on this (as was mentioned in
the nodelist and still is in Fidonews) he asks permission to use it,
which Tom flatly refused.

As I found this rather a strange reaction, out of curiosity I asked
some of our corporate lawyers to look into the copyright- and
trademark-issue of "Fido", "Fidonet" and the artwork of the dog-with-
diskette. (FYI, I'm Deputy-Director at the Belgian telco, employing
some 27,000 staff and we have acorporate-law-division who does nothing
else than copyright and trademark stuff)

As I so suspected for a long time, I received confirmation after
researching relevant trademark-bureaus that no references to the above
nor any trademark held by a Jennings Tom or Tom Jennings relating to
Fidonet or something similarly sounding exists.

Mark my words ... this covers the whole of Europe (east and west)
including Israel and Turkey. It says nothing about the USA.

We discovered however expired Fidonet-trademarks in the name of other individuals residing in Europe.

A quick search was done for Japan (where ZC/6 resides) without any TJ- trademark. Same thing in Argentina (homebase of ZC/4) where TJ holds
no rights but where, very puculiarly, another trademark called "Latin
Fido" is held by a local sysop (this is also reflected in the Z4-
nodelist).

So let me summarise :

There is _NO_ existing trademark in Europe in the name of Tom Jennings
nor Jennings Tom for "Fido", "Fidonet" nor the "dog-with-diskette"-
artwork.

Then why write it in the nodelist? I don't see one single reason.

Now let's not confuse "trademark" with "copyright".

If TJ wants to have a trademark on all those items then as far as I'm
concerned he can have it ... which means he must have his brand-names registered in each and every country - for zone-2 this means 35-
countries to be precise - and agree to pay the periodical hefty sum on
that. (worldwide 190+ ?)

This he has never done, nor will he do it, nor will anyone else
because it is just too expensive. "Control" over the nodelist can
never warrant such a high price nor can anyone ever expect a return on
that investment.

If anyone ever has any bright idea here to register the trademarks to
either "control" or "financially exploit" then I hereby post a claim
to be first in line to laugh that person straight in his/her face.

Less than a year ago there was the case of a company registering a
trademark on the wording "world wide web" and "www", which mind you
are nowhere legally protected. After initial astonishment by the internet-community the "owners" were quickly reduced to the laughing
stock even while they followed correct legal procedures. They tried to
exercise a claim and finally gave up because it was reasonably un-
enforceable.

With Fidonet it is exactly the same thing.

Now one final word about "copyright". TJ does not participate in any
way in the production of any of the nodelists nor any of the segments
that comprise the nodelist. Hence there is not one square inch of
legal ground for him to claim copyright over it.

The NC's could have a copyright over net-segments, the RC's over region-segments and the ZC's over zone-segments. Since the ZC's also
produce nodelists they could imo also post a copyright-notice for
their version of the nodelist although I think all these notices carry
little weight and are of little to no importance.

Anyone in zone-2 having problems with the nodelist without a TJ-
copyright/ trademark notification can always freq at this node the
elements it takes to produce their own nodelist.

Every current zone-2 region-segment can be freqqed here with the
magic-name REGIONxx where xx = regionnumber.

On top of that every zone-segment can be freqqed here following the
same logic : ZONEy where y = zonenumber.

It enables everyone who wants that to build his/her own customized
nodelist.

If a person e.g. only wants R24, R50 and Z3, then he/she freqs
REGION24, REGION50, ZONE3 and gives that to his/her nodelist-compiler.
How's that for openness, availability, service, whatever you wanna
call it?

If they want to include the original notice they can equally freq "TJ"
here so that bit of information is accessible as well although it
makes no difference.

As a sidenote, I already received threats for a court-case by one
Randy Bush, the same person when slamming the Fido-door shut behind
him stated it was nothing else but a litter-box reeking of cat-piss.

I understand some valid concerns about intentions and motives, but I
do have a more than full-time and well payed job so I don't need to
try to squeeze some extra pennies (at what cost?) out of some peoples
pockets. I believe it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for
any individual to grab control of the nodelist and make a buck out of
it.

If that happens then it is because the sysops allow it to happen,
personally I would just totally ignore such a person.

There's a lesson to be learned from our German friends who would never
take any shit like that. This they proved after some "grab control"-
exercises there.

I'm more worried about the censoring of Fidonews-worldwide by a ZC
which recently occured and nobody reacted upon it. Weren't you aware?

Thanks for writing. If there's more you want to ask, please do.

Take care,

\x/ard Dossche
ZC/2

73. er< >a?np4a2 r<au<oar% !<na4? o A?rNaN?

A:

ebo<n!<N >?b%4<:

Yoa : SPB.SYSOP
Ar : Akim Akimov, 2:5030/727.33@Fidonet.org (14 ENoaa2N 00 21:59)
a2N : All
AN4a: ob2yu? o <i2abr? Ey!-u?<!?p<oa!?N 2Ei?rN2%b-<- bNr? FidoNet.

Ha*a E?p4a pana >pNn2<a?r% oa4 bo<? yb2yu? o <i2abr? Ey!-u?<!?p<oa!?N 2Ei?rN2%b-<- bNr? FidoNet. ob2yu? <-aoooaErbN !abr<No?4? >p<ENbb?<!a2a4?, pai<raEo?4? !a po!-N o rNtN!?N n<2u<u< opN4N!? ? oapN-<4N!n<oao*?4? bNiN b ba4<- 2yt*N- br<p<!o.

_A<2ytN!?N !<n<o<u< anpNba:_

(e!?4a!?N! e >pa-b !N o-2EtN!a <>2ara yb2yu N5030C.)

a<brao2N!?N oaNo-? !a ><2ytN!?N !<n<o<u< anpNba: $5

[skip - pvp]

(Dmitry Meniaylov, 2:5030/494)

ouy. Yr? rp? o !y2? yapao*?obN >p<ENbb?<!a2a io2? C-?4, N, ? Cpb Ab?><o.
Ha b2NnyEoNN yrp< 4o n<2u< paa2?, t?raN bo<N ro<pN!?N.

A<2!aN oNab?N >?b%4a n<brp>!a >< oaa<bp "PRICE".

74. Ar-pna ><*2< b2<o< "a!nNn<o-a"?

A: (BP)

a<np NoN 0ra- o 93-4, N >a<t?ra2 !Nb-<2%-< a<4a!<o ar?oN!a e?!ua ?
<i!aapa?2, tr< oa4>?ao, a!nNno ? >a<taN !Na?r% o !?o !? aaop !N

<raNi2N2a b>?ar!<u<. A<b2N tNu< N n2N >a?-<2a !a>?ba2 >?b%4< (r< 2?

o MO.ECHO, r< 2? o MO.TALK) ><n baiaN-r<4: "ia-b e2<t-<o - undead" (<!
!a ba4<4 nN2N !N p><raNi2NNr b>?ar!<u< :-) ). Aa- obNo E?n<*!oo
raNooN!!?-<o ? !ata2? !aoooar%. C ba4< b2<o< "a!nNn<o-a" o <i<a<r ooN2,
imho, uaaNob-?-, paN r<una, -<una Nu< r?rp2<oa2? u2ao!o4 E?n<*!o4
a!nNn<4...

75. A<tN4y 4!<u?N 2En? o o?n< >?*yr obN b2<oa b >p<>?b!oo iy-o, ?u!<p?pyN >pao?2a pybb-<u< Noo-a? ur< 0r<: >p?oot-a, ?nyoaN <r npNo!?o -<4>%ErNp<o, b><bNaN<uN!-a o!at?4<br? b<ibroN!!<u< 4!N!?N (nNb-ar%, _4<?_

?b%4a !abr<2%-< ?!rNaNb!o, tr< ?o ? ra- >a<trpr) ?2? !a>2NoarN2%b-<N

<r!<*N!?N - b<iNbNn!?-p (na -r< <! ra-<-, tr< N >a2%uN4 no?ua2 shift !aa?4ar%?), tr< bpr% ><tr? <n!< ? r<aN. o<rN, aaop4NNrbN, <!? ba4? o
0r<4 !?-<una !N >a?o!aErbN - ob2po !aoooaEr -a-<--!?ipn% npaau-?- ><o<n

a <n!<oaN4N!!< b2<4a!!oo <i<?o -2ao?* Shift ? Caps Lock ?2?

rNaN2<u< nNrbroa !a ai/aa Yei).

76. A<tN4p o FidoNet >a?!Nr< <iaaoN!?N !a "ro", a <iaaoN!?N !a "eo" bt?raNrbN <b-<ai?rN2%!o4?

A: (Vladimir Sapozhnikov, 2:5052/10)

1) e<a!? ?!<braa!!oN, unN 0ra E<a4a2%!<br% "eo/Ao" <rbprbropNr -a- -2abb.
2) ANo!?tNb-? aao2?t?N "eo", "oo" ? "ro", 4N2<t%, a >prar%bN o 4!<aNbroN!!<4 t?b2N ? poaa?rN2%!<4 <iaaoN!??... imho !Nb-<2%-< "n<braNr".
3) Eao2?t?N o <iaaoN!?? "o 4?ap" tabr< oao?b?r <r 2?t!<u< o!a-<4broa, a o bNrNo <!< !N ?4NNr <>aNnN2NEoNu< o!atN!?N.
4) UNoo<o4Non!<br% <aua!?oau?? bNr? ><aaanaNr <r!<*N!?N, -<r<aoN b<<r!<b?4o b< bo<-b-?4?, napaNb-?4? <r!<*N!?N4?, ><bN4p n2N i<2%*?!broa 0r< bNr% napoN-, b< obN4? oorN-aEo?4? ><b2Nnbro?N4?, o r<4 t?b2N, >< >a?t?!N p-aoa!!<- o >p!-rN 3, <iotaE <iaaoN!?N !a "ro". C o -a-<4 b2ptaN napo%N !a "eo"? i?i< Nb2? ?4NNrbN aao!?ua o o<oaabrN, 2?i< Nb2? <r!<*N!?N >NaNbra2? ior% napaNb-?4?. e o?arpa2%!<- bNr? o<oaabr ><tr? !N ?4NNr o!atN!?N, <bra+rbN r<2%-< nN4<!braau?N bo<Nu< !Nuar?o!<u< <r!<*N!?N - b<iNbNn!?-p oa bt+r ?b-2EtN!?N Nu< ?o -apua bo<?o napoN- oooooaEo?4 ? n?bra!u?<!?apEo?4 <iaaoN!?N4 !a "eo".
...
HN ><4!E <r-pna, !< unN-r< t?ra2, tr< <iaaoN!?N !a "ro" o E?n< No2NNrbN pbra!<o2N!!o4 <iotaN4, !< Nb2? b<iNbNn!?- naNr ><!Nr%, tr< aN2aNr, tr<io - !N4p <iaaoa2?b% !a "eo", r< o 0r<4 b2ptaN <iaaoN!?N !a "ro" 4<aNr ior% >a?o!a!< !N-<aaN-r!o4.
Aa-<N aN2a!?N aNn-< ooaaaaNrbN No!<, bt?raNrbN n<brar<t!o4 >Nao<!ata2%!<u< <iaaoN!?N !a "eo" (ea* b2pta- :) ?2? ?4N o ><2N "From:" p-aoar% b <rtNbro<4, !a>a?4Na: "Vladimir N. Sapozhnikov".

77. Aaaona 2?, tr< ?o<iaaaN!?N b<ia-? b n?b-Nr<- o opiao oaaNu?bra?a<oa!< o -atNbroN r<au<o<- 4aa-??

A: (pvp)

Aaaona. ao?nNrN2%bro< .1503643, oona!< 13 bN!rNiaN 1988 u<na !a ?4N A<4a aaN!!?!uba.
aN-bropNr !a rNaa?r<a?? ayC, ba<- nN-bro?N -- 20 2Nr, r.N., n< 13 bN!rNiaN 2008

u<na.

[TRADE1.JPG, TRADE2.JPG, oa Ea-2o <rnN2%!<N b>ab?i< Alexei Zaiko <zaiko@navi.com.ru>]

78. Eabb-aa?rN ?br<a?E Eaaoo "HNr" ? o t+4 >a?-<2.

A: (Tim Morgulis, 2:5020/716)

Aa?-<2 02N4N!raaN!.Ha* >aNn><b2Nn!?- N5020C ooo<n?2 - !aa<np (i.e. o N5020.SYSOP) o baNn!N4 aao o ><2u<na, ? ?oaN-a2 bo<N -<<an?!ar<ab-<N
aN*N!?N >< a?o<raN>Nopo?4 o<>a<ba4 bNr? o o?nN <roNra !a -a-pE-2?i<
4Nbbaup. AroNr ><tr? obNuna b<br<N2 ?o <n!<u< ?o nopo -<a<r-?o b2<o ?

<n>?b?:

aa. HNr.
?2?
Farid. Farid.

A<b2N tNu< 2Ei<4p >a<n<2aao*N4p E2N-4?r% !abtNr na!!<u< o<>a<ba

a<r?o!?-? E<aoaan?2? 0rp 4Nbbaup, ra-r?t!< !a4N-aN "C !N ><aa 2? rNiN oar-!pr%bN, >a?NrN2%". ;) e -<!uN -<!u<o <-aoa2<b%, tr< !a 0r? <roNro p

oaa?na io2? !abra<N!o hotkey. :) Ai!aapa?2<b% 0r< ><b2N r<u<, -a-
<n!aano oaa?np >a?*2<b% n<>?bar% <n!p (AFAIK ><b2Nn!EE) ?o 0r?o Nu<
4Nbbau ap-a4?: "HNr. N nN2< 0r< aaoaNoooar% ><2?b?." (<aE<uaaE?N
<a?u?!a2a b<oaa!N!a:). Hp, a Eaaoa o<*2a o ?br<a?E.

79. Eabb-aa?rN >a< ">NaN>?b%".

A: (Eugene Pazhitnov, 2:5020/40.22)

(?!Ea <r aNpuNN ia>?!a, 2:5099/8)

- RU.ANEKDOT (2:5099/99.8) --------------------------------------- RU.ANEKDOT -
From : Maxim Tovstyuk 2:463/181.77 01 Oct 98 01:37:00
To : All 02 Oct 98 11:35:12
Subj : onap?4 >NpN>?b%E >< iNo<ipao?E o 0oN ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi , poaaaN4o- All !

aaoa-rN pbrp<?4 o 0oN >NpN>?b%, ? >pbr% 0r< ipnNr !a*?4 <roNr<4 !a oNb% 0r<r u!?2<- !au?<!a2?br?tNb-?- ipNn ! Apbr% obN !<p4a2%!oN 2En? ><n>?*prbN ><n 0r?4 >?b%4<4, rN4 ba4o4 nN4<pa2?o<oao obNo pi2En-<o . eNn% o?n<- 0r< bNr% nppoN-.

aEocLf AAeieeHeAaaL ! er< 4N!N b2o*?r !

f ob+ b-aoa2 !
Maxim Tovstyuk.

-+-
. Origin: ebN 4<nNpar<po - uano.Kp<4N 0r<u<,-<!Nt!<. (2:463/181.77)

C o<<ioN o>NpooN >NpN>?b% io2a oa>poN!a o ru.hacker, !N r< o 1996, !N r< o 1997 u<np -a- <roNr !a ><>or-p ooNbr? ">pN4<nNp?p<oa!?N".

A<2!aN oNab?N - http://teatime.msk.su/fhfaq/perepiss.txt

80. a tN4 boNoa!< <rbprbro?N ><2!oo >pao p ><-!r<o o Fido?

A: (TT)

eo!ata2%!< ><-!r<o o<<ioN !N io2<, io2? r<2%-< po2o. A<oaN, b>Nu?a2%!<
n2N bra!u?- >< aao!o4 >a?t?!a4 !N aN2aEo?o ior% t2N!a4? fido, b<ona2?
4Noa!?o4 ><-!r<o. a<<roNrbroN!!<, ><-!ro !N ?4NEr >aao ? !N !Nbpr
<iNoa!!<brN- >a<br< >< <>aNnN2N!?E. A>aNnN2N!<, tr< poN2 >aNnbrao2NNr
bo<?o ><-!r<o o fidonet ? !NbNr oa !?o obE <roNrbroN!!<br%, ><-!ro aN
<roNtaEr r<2%-< >NaNn i<bb<4.

81. ur< 0r< oa ?br<a?N < o?arpa2%!<br? Y-b2Naa?

A:

e<r ra-aN ?br<a?N:

From : LLeo, 2:5020/139 (10 Apr 97 00:29)
Subj : aN!bau?<!!aN !<o<br%!

HaeAAAEca AaAUaHHAaAe AUECcAeCHef eeEAoCiAe e oeaA
HC AEeiaEa CiaeaC YeaiaEC

H?-r< !N ipnNr ap?oar% r<r Ea-r, tr< o?prpa2<o o E?n< 4!<u<.
An!a-< E?n<*!?-? b-2<!!o !Nn<<uN!?oar% 4ab*raio 0r<u< No2N!?N.
aN-bro?rN2%!<, oNn% ><tr? -aano- E?n<*!?- o<r% pao o a?o!? >?ba2 >?b%4<
<r oo4o*2N!!<u< ?4N!?, 2?ip?o<n?r o u<2<op, tr< -a-<--r< -<!-pNr!o- tN2<oN-,
-<r<p<u< oo !?-<una !N o?nN2? 2?t!<, a 2?*% t?ra2? Nu< >?b%4a - o?prpa2.
H< naoa-rN oanp4aN4bN: n<>pbr?4 oo !?-<una !N ?o<ipaaa2? o?prpa2a ? oa4
n<><n2?!!< ?ooNbr!<, tr< !?-r< ?o oa*?o nppoN- ra-aN !N nN2a2 0r<u<.
e<o%4N4 ba4pE -pa-!EE u?Epp: n<>pbr?4 0r< nN2a2 o<r% pao o a?o!? -aano-
nNbNro- E?n<*!?-. Ap? r<4, tr< E?n<*!?-<o r<2%-< o i<b-oN >< 4N!%*N-
4NpN 10 robNt - 4o ><2ptaN4 robNtp (!) o?prpa2<o. A<ntNp-?oaE - r<2%-< o
i<b-oN.

[skip - pvp]

H<, iNopb2<o!<, ba4<- -pp>!<- 4?br?E?-au?N- p<bb?-b-<u< E?n< No2NNrbN
C2N-b Y-b2Np. aa, N !N 4<up !?-<u< o?!?r% o b2N><rN, ra- -a- !N poNpN!
!a br< >p<uN!r<o, tr< ba4<br<NrN2%!< ooNo?2 io Ea-r 4?br?E?-au??, o<r% N
? ><2%opEb% o E?n< pN>prau?N- a!a2?r?-a ? >p<u!<o?bra. An!a-< ra-

<2pt?2<b% (p?!?4a2 !N-<r<p<N

(o<r% ? -pa-!N 4a2<N) ptabr?N o b<ona!?? 0r<u< <ipaoa, ><0r<4p 4!N
?ooNbr!a ?br<p?N o<o!?-!<oN!?N C2N-ba Y-b2Npa ? 4!<u?N Ea-ro Nu<
na2%!N-*Nu< bpoNbro<oa!?N.
ANpoo4 nN2<4 b2NnpNr pabb-aoar% <r-pna ooN2<b% ?4N Y-b2Np. e i<b-oN,
!a t?broo >ppnao, o 0-<!<4?tNb-<4 <rnN2N ?!br?rpra aN<E?o?-? pai<raEr ?
!o!N *Nbr% tN2<oN-: E<4a! Y2%nap<o, a4?rp?- e<oa2No, C2N-b aran!?-,
e?p?22 iaopN!r%No ? U<p?b E<-r4a!. H? <n?! ?o !?o, -p<4N C2N-ba
aran!?-a, ? ><!o!N !N ?4NNr anpNba E?n<, ? ?4N!!< C2N-b, -a-
Nn?!broN!!o- E?n<*!?- o <rnN2N, >Npoo- >pNn2<a?2 ?nNE b<ona!?N
o?prpa2%!<u< >Npb<!aaa n2N -<22N-r?o!<u< ooo<na o E?n< obN- upp>><-.
ANpb<!aa ><2pt?2 ?4N C2N-b (>< ?4N!? aran!?-a), a Ea4?2?N Nu< io2a
b<brao2N!a ?o >Npooo ip-o Ea4?2?-: Y2%nap<o, e<oa2No, aran!?-,
iaopN!r%No ? E<-r4a!. carN4 "Yeai?E" io2< n2N i2au<oopt!<br? >NpNnN2a!<
o "YeaiNE". EabbtNr io2 >pao?2%!o-: >p<braN Ea4?2?N b-<pNN ipnNr >p?!Nra
oa Ea4?2?E o?prpa2a, o r< opN4N, -a- !N<iot!<N "Exler" ooo<oNr 4N!%*N

<n<opN!?-. a2N >poNu< -ppaaa (N, -brar?, b ba4<u< !ata2a io2

-arNu<p?tNb-? >p<r?o) ><n>?b% ><n >?b%4a4? Y-b2Npa u2ab?2a: "0r< !N
a2?ab, 0r< Ea4?2?N". aN-bro?rN2%!<, oau2N!po o ><?!r2?br, 4<a!<
<i!appa?r% 4!<aNbro< brpa!!oo Ea4?2?-, <n!a-< aN !?-<4p ?o !?o !N

p?o<n?r o u<2<op >?bar% "0r< nN-bro?rN2%!< 4<N Ea4?2?N".

[skip - pvp]

A<2!aN oNab?N - http://teatime.msk.su/fhfaq/exler.txt

82. f b2o*a2 >p< bnN4-? rp?22Npa < oo<!No?o !No<opN4N? A tN4 ra4 ?
-a- ><b4<rpNr%?

A: (Dmitry Baronov, 2:5020/80)

Yr< -ppr<- bNp?a2 paab<o "e<*4ap >< rN2NE<!!<- 2?!??". e<r 4<2<n<-

Nr?r!o- ta-!?- bpNn? iN2a n!N pan<br!< o-2EtaNr 4<nN4 ? oo<!?r ><

rN2NE<!p, !a-nN!!<4p o ><nip<*N!!<4 N4p !Nnppu<4 !<n2?brN. Ha Nu< iNnp
0r< rN2NE<! iaopN!r%Noa. e<!!N-r. eo n?!a4?-a n<!<b?rbN brpa*!o-
pNo, ?o -<4>prNpa oa2?r no4. Ha 0-pa!N o<o!?-aNr paab!aN p<aa b
-pab!o4? u2aoa4? ? <b-a2N!!o4? opia4?. Yr< iaopN!r%No.
- a<?upa2bN, uao!E-, - b<<ioaNr <!, - i<2%*N ro paN !?-<4p !N

<oo<!?*%, oa-oa-oa...

eo 0-pa!a oob<oooaNrbN pp-a o >Nptar-N b ip?roa4? ? ooaraNr iNn<2aup oa
u<p2<. ua-!?- o?oa?r, -<pt?rbN ? !a-<!Nu oar?oaNr.
- An!?4 4N!%*N, - pan<br!< <r4NtaNr iaopN!r%No, - rN>Np% <tNpNn% oa
Nu< i<bb<4. Y-pa! 4Nn2N!!< uab!Nr...

83. CiipNo?arppo ?4N!, ?b><2%o<oa!!oN o FAQ:

AE Andy Elkin, 2:5030/15
AEx Alex Exler, 2:5020/443
AEr Alexnder Erlikh, 2:5020/468
AY Alex Young, 2:5020/26
BD Boris Djatlov, 2:5020/261
BP Boris Paleev, 2:5020/113
BP2 Bob Popov, 2:5020/123
DM Dimitri Martemianov, 2:5020/306
DZ Dmitry Zavalishin, 2:5020/32
EF Eric Fletcher, 2:5000/10
IG Igor Grishenko, 2:5020/49
KB Koctya Boyko, 2:5020/37
KL Kirill Lebedev, 2:5020/251
MB Michael Bravo, 2:5030/10
ML Mikel Lavrentyev, 2:5020/35
MM Max Mikheenkov, 2:5020/9
MR Mikhail Ramendik, 2:5020/768.45
MT Mike Tyukanov, 2:5020/242
PK Pete Kvitek, 2:5020/6
PQ Yuri PQ, 2:5010/2
PS Peter Sobolev, 2:5030/84
SO Sergey Okhapkin, 2:5020/47
SQ Sergej Qkowlev, 2:5020/122
TJ Tom Jennings, Universe:Heaven/Creator
TT Timur Tsyganko, 2:5020/446
VS Vlada Stavsky, 2:5020/194.12
VU Valentin Uholkin, 2:5020/2

Rem eNnpo?- uCeA - pavel v protasov (pvp), 2:5025/38.206.
eNnpo?- uCeA - Valentin Kuznetsov, 2:5053/51.0
ab2? p oab Nbr% aN2a!?N ><><2!?r% uCeA o<>a<ba4? ?/?2? !<oo4? <roNra4?
- ><aa2p-bra, >a?bo2a-rN o<>aaao< aNna-r?a<oa!?N o<>a<b<o ? <roNr<o.

Cor<ab-?N ? b4Na!oN >aaoa !a <roNro, ><4NoN!!oN o uCeA, >a?!an2Naar
aor<aa4 b<<roNrbropEo?o <roNr<o. Cor<ab-?N ? b4Na!oN >aaoa !a
b<brao2N!?N uCeA >a?!an2Naar !o!N*!N4p ? >aNnonpo?4 (Alexander Erlikh, 2:5020/468, Timur Tsyganko, 2:5020/446, Pavel V Protasov (pvp),
2:5025/38.206) oNnpo?4.

84. eNi-aNbpabo

uCeA >pi2?-pNrbN -aano- 4NbNu o -<!ENaN!u?? FIDONET.HISTORY (o
uN-r<oa!!<4 o Internet o?nN <!a !aoooaNrbN fido7.fidonet.history).
Aa-aN oo 4<aNrN !a-r? Nu< onNb%:
http://www.debryansk.ru/~pvp/fhfaq/index.html, a Nb2? oo
o<r?rN bnN2ar% "oNa-a2<" -- 4<aNrN o<2%o<oar%bN aao?o<4 http://www.debryansk.ru/~pvp/faqhtml.rar, o -<r<a<4
!ao<n?rbN Nu< u?>NarN-br<oaN oNab?N.

e< ?oiNaa!?N ?o2?*!Nu< aaoaabra!?N FAQ, -<r<ao- ? ra- oa!?4aNr
paN i<2%*N b<r!? -?2<ia-r, 4!<u?N >a<u?r?a<oa!!oN o !N4 >?b%4a
b<-aaoN!o, <brao2N!< r<2%-< ba4<N ?!rNaNb!<N. ebN ><2!oN oNab??

?bN4 oo2<aN!o n2N b-at?oa!?N ? aab>a<braa!N!?N >< anaNbp: http://www.debryansk.ru/~pvp/fhfaq.rar. e r<4 aN aao?oN 2Naar ?

napu?N >?b%4a, ><-aoao*?NbN oNnpoN4p ?!rNaNb!o4? n2N t?rarN2N-
-<!ENaN!u?? FIDONET.HISTORY. ab2? -a-<--r< Ea-2 ?o aao?oa ?4NNr
<r!<*N!?N - o<>a<bp ?o FAQ, r< ><b2N <roNra !a 0r<r o<>aaNn?2).

Cao?o b<<ioN!?- -<!ENaN!u?? oo2<aN! o bNr? >< anaNbp: ftp://host.elcom.ru/pub/fidonet.history, ? oa!?4aNr <-<2< 20
4Nuaia-r.

Aa-aN bpoNbropNr rN-br "Yo<-<!ENaN!u?? bNr? FidoNet ? ?o 4<nNa?a<oa!?N", !a>?ba!!o- ANra<4 a<i<2Noo4 (PS) ? oo2<aN!!o- >< anaNbp: http://www.enlight.ru/ib/also/fidoecho

85. A<aa paN o FAQ oa>?b% bnN2ar% < a4?ra?? iNnoNnNoN ? "u?>NarN-br<o<4
oN-r<a!<4 E?n<!NrN"

*====ANaNb2a2: Stas Degteff (2:5080/102.1)===========================
* eo -<!ENaN!u?? : SU.CHAINIK.GENERAL (e<>p<co !at-o !a 2EiyE rN4y)
* Ar : Maksim Konovalov, 2:5083/86.400 (16 <-r 11 13:30)
* e : All
* AN4a : iNnoNnNo o o?n<) *====================================================================
@Posted: 16 Oct 11 15:09:02
Aa?oNrbropE!

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e<r bbo2-a !a a<2?- o ErEiN, unN iNnoNnNo aabb-aoooaNr < r<4, tr< ra-<N E?n<. a-aa?rN a anaNb r<aN2a!?N4?,
ia-b?4
-+- vFido [http://vkontakte.ru/app1899212]
+ Origin: Dark station [reb0rn] (2:5083/86.400) =====================================================================

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