• We Love Our Guns Correction

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Fri Feb 16 03:53:14 2018
    Hello Everybody,

    Mea culpa.

    The military-style assault weapon used in the mass shooting
    at a school in Florida was an AR-15, not an AK-15.

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 17 18:10:05 2018
    On 16/02/2018 12:53 PM, Lee Lofaso -> All wrote:
    Hello Everybody,

    Mea culpa.

    The military-style assault weapon used in the mass shooting
    at a school in Florida was an AR-15, not an AK-15.

    Does that make the victims any less dead?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Sat Feb 17 20:17:12 2018
    Hello David,

    Mea culpa.

    The military-style assault weapon used in the mass shooting
    at a school in Florida was an AR-15, not an AK-15.

    Does that make the victims any less dead?

    Deader than a doornail.
    Or the bullets that hit them.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to David Drummond on Tue Feb 20 21:28:16 2018
    at a school in Florida was an AR-15, not an AK-15.

    Does that make the victims any less dead?

    Nope, it does not.
    Something has to be done.
    Taking guns away from law biding citizens is not the answer, besides this
    would be a bloodbath nationwide.

    Criminals do not obey gun laws, and I'm pretty sure that they ignore all other laws as well.

    This type of carnage will happen again and again, unless there is a plan that is put into place to put an end to it. Have retired willing and able bodied Men and Women of the VFW or other retired military even retired members of the Police department stand guard at all entrance and exit points of schools, in addition set up a perimeter around the school to ensure that the school
    grounds on the outside are just secure as they are indoors, this is a step to protect the innocent. This should serve as a deterrent, but in the event that the school is breached, all staff should have a radio to the security detail. The only real way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with a gun.

    or do nothing and more kids will die.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Feb 22 21:44:42 2018
    Hello Greg,

    The military-style assault weapon used in the mass shooting
    at a school in Florida was an AR-15, not an AK-15.

    Does that make the victims any less dead?

    Nope, it does not.
    Something has to be done.

    Absolutely. And everybody knows it. Especially our children,
    and those who helped raise them, including parents and grown adults.

    Taking guns away from law biding citizens is not the answer, besides this
    would be a bloodbath nationwide.

    We have banned fully automatic guns. Not just in one state,
    but nationwide. Maryland has banned 45 kinds of assault weapons
    and its 10-round limit on gun magazines. The courts have ruled
    the guns banned under Maryland's law are not protected by the
    Second Amendement, despite whatever the hell Wayne LaPierre
    (the head of the NRA) might like to tell you.

    Criminals do not obey gun laws, and I'm pretty sure that they ignore all
    other laws as well.

    Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals protects everyone
    from harm. Including the criminals themselves.

    "They fantasise about more laws stopping what other laws have
    failed to stop. So many existing laws were ignored."
    ~ Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, 2/22/2018

    That might explain the NRA's silence after the most recent
    mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. And then, when it comes
    time to open their mouths, NRA-backed politicians downplay
    the impact of existing gun laws. And then, blame someone
    else as being the cause of all that gun violence in the US.

    "They don't care if their laws work or not. They just want
    to get more laws to get more control over people. But the
    NRA, the NRA does care."
    ~ Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, 2/22/2018

    This type of carnage will happen again and again, unless there is a plan
    that is put into place to put an end to it.

    The mass shooting in Parkland, Florida was the 18th school
    shooting this year. How many more children have to die before
    something is done to put an end to this carnage?

    Have retired willing and able bodied Men and Women of the VFW or other
    retired military even retired members of the Police department stand guard
    at all entrance and exit points of schools, in addition set up a perimeter around the school to ensure that the school grounds on the outside are just secure as they are indoors, this is a step to protect the innocent.

    Putting a cop in every school is a totally different matter
    than what the president proposed yesterday (he said he wants
    to arm teachers). The police are trained, and know how to
    deal with these types of situations. They are also paid for
    that specific purpose (serve and protect). Although your
    idea of putting a cop in every school does have merit, realize
    it would also be incredibly expensive. Not only that, but
    the number of people saved by other shooters (even if they
    are cops) is miniscule. But hey, how much is the cost of
    a human life? All it takes is for one thug to fire one
    bullet ...

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy,
    students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly. And also
    dangerous, not only to others, but also themselves. Cops
    are trained, and practice with firearms as part of their
    job. Putting out more guns into our communities makes no
    sense, as doing so would lead to more accidental gun deaths,
    more guns to steal and be used in crimes, and also more gun
    suicides.

    Not many people, aside from the president, think teachers
    conducting gun battles is a wise idea. But who knows? It
    certainly would teach some tough guys a lesson ...

    This should serve as a deterrent, but in the event that
    the school is breached, all staff should have a radio to the security
    detail.

    "Hey, coach! How many kills you got?"
    "The gun jammed and the bad guys got away!"
    "No problemmo! I gotta full clip ready to go!"

    The only real way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with
    a gun.

    Would you give a loaded gun to a retarded person?
    Would you give a loaded gun to a crazy person?
    Would you give a loaded gun to a child who thinks it is a toy?

    Guns are dangerous weapons. The use of deadly force
    should never be taken lightly. Only qualified persons
    should be allowed to even carry thtm, much less use
    them. Not just qualified, but also trained in the use
    of such weapons.

    or do nothing and more kids will die.

    That is exactly what the NRA wants you and everyone else to do.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Feb 22 21:48:57 2018
    On 02/22/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    "They fantasise about more laws stopping what other laws have
    failed to stop. So many existing laws were ignored."
    ~ Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, 2/22/2018

    Mr. LaPierre also said " gun laws only work if people obey them."

    Putting a cop in every school is a totally different matter
    than what the president proposed yesterday (he said he wants
    to arm teachers).

    No that is not what the President said, he said the adapt teachers the ones who can handle them and have the know how. Not every teacher this is and was taken out of context.

    The President also pointed out it takes 8 minutes for the Police to arrive and the carnage that is the killings is over in 3 minutes.

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy,
    students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly.

    Of course it is when you put the word untrained in that statement.
    A plan will created and put into place and it will not contain any loose ends or be gone about with any of the knee jerk reactions that you have indicated.

    Not many people, aside from the president, think teachers
    conducting gun battles is a wise idea. But who knows? It
    certainly would teach some tough guys a lesson ...

    The President is also right when he said the statement

    "A gun free zone to a killer thats like going in for the ice cream, That's like here I am, Take me."

    Would you give a loaded gun to a retarded person?
    Would you give a loaded gun to a crazy person?

    No, they would not qualified.

    Would you give a loaded gun to a child who thinks it is a toy?

    I am not going to dignify that with a response.

    That is exactly what the NRA wants you and everyone else to do.

    Sure it is and the Republicans want dirty water and for people to just die. Yeah, yeah I heard this all before right out of the democratic playbook.
    right before the chapter entitled, how to play the race card.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Feb 23 05:43:05 2018
    Hello Greg,

    The military-style assault weapon used in the mass shooting
    at a school in Florida was an AR-15, not an AK-15.

    Does that make the victims any less dead?

    Nope, it does not.
    Something has to be done.
    Taking guns away from law biding citizens is not the answer, besides this
    would be a bloodbath nationwide.

    Teachers carrying guns in school is the way to prevent violence
    in schools, according to Rush Limbaugh, various FOX news pundits,
    and the President of the United States. But is this really the
    answer we want, or are looking for?

    Original Title: "Don't Be Cruel"
    Original Performer: Elvis Presley

    Parody Song Title: "Guns In School"
    Parody Written by: Hu's On First

    Rush thinks that it’s too bad
    That school is a DMZ
    It really makes him sad
    ‘Cause he thinks there should be
    Guns in school
    That’s the thing to do

    Teachers should be packing heat
    Janitor should as well
    Man, that’d be so sweet
    If they act out William Tell
    Guns in school
    That’s the thing to do
    That’s how you keep kids safe
    Tote AK’s, so the bad guys
    You can strafe

    Lunch lady’s feeling so blue
    The kitchen’s full of rats
    Just give her a Glock o’ two
    That would take care of that
    Guns in school
    That’s the thing to do
    Teach pre-teens fightin’ skills
    Then they won’t have to fear their gettin’ killed

    Hey now, while we’re at it
    The school should have a barbed-wire fence
    Rebuild it like a bunker
    Wouldn’t that make perfect sense
    Guns in school
    That’s the thing to do
    Let’s end the gun-free zone
    Instead protect the place with combat drones

    Guns in school
    That’s the thing to do
    Guns in school
    That’s the thing to do
    A dress code is our norm
    Let’s give each kid a Kevlar uniform

    --Lee

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  • From John McCoy@1:249/400 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Feb 23 16:48:49 2018
    On 02/22/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    the number of people saved by other shooters (even if they
    are cops) is miniscule.

    How exactly do you count the number of people not shot?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Feb 24 01:44:59 2018
    Hello Greg,

    "They fantasise about more laws stopping what other laws have
    failed to stop. So many existing laws were ignored."
    ~ Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, 2/22/2018

    Mr. LaPierre also said " gun laws only work if people obey them."

    LaPierre is in favor of no laws for anyone? We could all do our
    own thing, and never be held responsible or accountable for our own
    actions? Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Not me.

    Putting a cop in every school is a totally different matter
    than what the president proposed yesterday (he said he wants
    to arm teachers).

    No that is not what the President said, he said the adapt teachers the ones
    who can handle them and have the know how.

    Teachers get emotional. And often times upset. Not just at
    students, but also at administrators. Can you imagine what would
    happen if a teacher got mad at a student who mouthed off at him
    and decided to shut him up permanently by using a gun? Or having
    a temper tantrum at an administrator who refused to give him a
    raise? What about coaches, who thinks a student/athlete is not
    playing his best? Take out a gun and start shooting at him to
    make him run faster? Arming teachers is a very bad idea ...

    Not every teacher this is and was taken out of context.

    Teachers are educators, and are paid to teach, not shoot students.

    The President also pointed out it takes 8 minutes for the Police to arrive
    and the carnage that is the killings is over in 3 minutes.

    That is an average time, and quite meaningless, given many schools
    are located in rural areas. But even in urban areas it would be
    a problem, as whatever time it does take is always after a shooter
    has begun his/her rampage.

    Gun-free-zones are a much better option. This has been the law
    of the land for almost three decades. And now the president wants
    to end that, making every school in this country a war zone.

    Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

    What we need is more metal detectors and multiple checkpoints
    at each and every school. No guns allowed, or cell phones.
    Having a cop(s) at every school would also help, but that would
    cost money. But hey. That's why we pay taxes.

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy,
    students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly.

    Of course it is when you put the word untrained in that statement.

    How much training did it take the 19-year-old kid who killed 17
    children and wounded another 34 in Parkland, Florida? With a weapon
    of war called an AR-15? Legally bought with presumably his own
    money.

    Teachers are not trained to be law enforcement officers. They
    are trained to be educators. Arming teachers with guns is a recipe
    for disaster, as I have explained multiple times. Even if given
    some amount of training, it would be too little too late. Better
    to leave the protecting to those who are trained to do so. And
    we all know who that is.

    A plan will created and put into place and it will not contain any loose
    ends or be gone about with any of the knee jerk reactions that you have indicated.

    A first step would be to ban military-style assault weapons,
    such as the AR-15, nationwide. But the NRA has bought so many
    politicians, including your dearly beloved president, that we
    all know that will never happen.

    Not many people, aside from the president, think teachers
    conducting gun battles is a wise idea. But who knows? It
    certainly would teach some tough guys a lesson ...

    The President is also right when he said the statement

    "A gun free zone to a killer thats like going in for the ice cream, That's
    like here I am, Take me."

    How does the creation of multiple war zones make our schools safer?

    Would you give a loaded gun to a retarded person?
    Would you give a loaded gun to a crazy person?

    No, they would not qualified.

    And yet, accidents continue to happen. Irresponsible people
    leave loaded guns around, retarded or crazy persons pick them
    up, bad things happen.

    Would you give a loaded gun to a child who thinks it is a toy?

    I am not going to dignify that with a response.

    I am not saying, or suggesting, that you would do any such thing.
    No responsible person would. But we all know that accidents happen.
    People do stupid things. Sometimes while drunk. But in reality,
    there is no excuse for such irresponsible behavior, which is many
    ways is criminal.

    That is exactly what the NRA wants you and everyone else to do.

    Sure it is and the Republicans want dirty water and for people to just die.
    Yeah, yeah I heard this all before right out of the democratic playbook. right before the chapter entitled, how to play the race card.

    The NRA has endorsed Donald J. Trump for years, regardless of whether
    he called himself a Democrat, Independent, or Republican. The NRA
    has endorsed many other politicians, not caring a whit what party
    they belong to. As long as politicians give the NRA what it wants,
    that is all that matters to Wayne LaPierre and his ilk.

    The Second Amendment is part of the US Constitution, and the right
    of the people to keep and bear arms should never be infringed. But
    that does not mean arms cannot, or should not, be regulated. The
    courts have consistently ruled that government does have the right
    to limit/regulate what types of arms the people can keep and bear.
    The NRA might not like it, but that is their tough luck.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to John McCoy on Sat Feb 24 01:50:31 2018
    Hello John,

    the number of people saved by other shooters (even if they
    are cops) is miniscule.

    How exactly do you count the number of people not shot?

    Dead or Alive.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 24 09:50:38 2018
    On 02/24/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    LaPierre is in favor of no laws for anyone?

    That is simply not true, not even remotely. It's a total lie put forth by a liberal mindset to protect their fragile feelings.

    Teachers get emotional. And often times upset. Not just at
    students, but also at administrators. Can you imagine what would
    happen if a teacher got mad at a student who mouthed off at him
    and decided to shut him up permanently by using a gun?

    I think teachers are a lot stronger then you or these lefty arguments give
    them credit for.

    Not every teacher this is and was taken out of context.
    Teachers are educators, and are paid to teach, not shoot students.

    Ok, Teachers are paid to teach and learning is best when you don't have a madman shooting up the place.

    This would be concealed carry, and it would not be every teacher, this notion that it would be every teacher is meant to cloud and confuse the issue, it is deliberate and obvious and if people want to have their say on this issue,
    then they should really join the adults in the room, otherwise they will be ignored and not heard.

    Parents have a reasonable expectation that when their children board the school bus that their children will return home safe and sound, not full of bullet holes or worse.

    The President also pointed out it takes 8 minutes for the Police to arrive and the carnage that is the killings is over in 3 minutes.
    That is an average time, and quite meaningless, given many schools
    are located in rural areas.

    I am sure you know the meaning of rural, this means that the police station
    is not next door to the school, but spread out. The point that the President was making was that the killings would take place before law enforcement could arrive.

    Gun-free-zones are a much better option. This has been the law
    of the land for almost three decades.

    So you propose to continue to allow schools continue to be soft targets.
    Do what you suggestion means that the killings to continue.

    Guns are not the problem.
    People with guns protect airports, banks, politicians, government buildings, celebrities and law enforcement, but schools are a gun free zone, this makes
    no sense, it is where our most precious are.

    The only person with a gun in a gun free zone, is a killer.

    What we need is more metal detectors and multiple checkpoints
    at each and every school. No guns allowed, or cell phones.
    Having a cop(s) at every school would also help, but that would
    cost money. But hey. That's why we pay taxes.

    This is non-sense, a madman will not be deterred by detectors or checkpoints,
    a person with this level of intent can not be stopped by these weak security measures.

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy, >LL>students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly.

    What is silly, is that fake news media putting out this total fabrication. All because they are an arm of the Democratic Party and will do or say anything to oppose the President. - they are still sore over loosing the election and being so indescribably wrong in their reporting that Hillary Clinton will win in a land slide.

    Reality canceled their celebration plans and popped all of their Hillary together balloons.

    And yet, accidents continue to happen. Irresponsible people
    leave loaded guns around, retarded or crazy persons pick them
    up, bad things happen.

    It should be mandated when purchasing a gun,
    How will you secure your firearm.
    Accountability and Responsibility must be part of the application process, not just.. it is my right so gimmie what I pay for.

    Not that they should be under suspicion of future wrong doing.
    Owning a firearm should be a privilege and those rights should be denied on
    the spot, until these safety checks can be verified - as well as the current measures that are in place currently, known as a Federal background history checks

    but..
    What if someone obtains a gun illegally, what then?
    We are back where we started aren't we...

    The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is with a good guy with a gun.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Feb 24 19:21:56 2018
    Hello Gregory!

    24 Feb 18 09:50, Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    Guns are not the problem.

    <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence>

    [...]
    School shootings are a modern phenomenon. There were scattered instances of gunmen or bombers attacking schools in the years before Barry Loukaitis, but they were lower profile. School shootings mostly involve young white men. And, not surprisingly, given the ready availability of firearms in the United States, the phenomenon is overwhelmingly American.
    [...]

    The only person with a gun in a gun free zone, is a killer.

    This kind of reasoning sounds completely alien to someone who is used to live in a country with proper gun control.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Feb 24 20:30:17 2018

    Guns are not the problem.

    If guns are not the problem, then the problem should also manifest itself here in school killings by knifing, etc ... That doesn't happen.

    Take the notion of school-killings out of the equation, and 'guns' remain.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 24 23:58:30 2018
    On 02/24/18, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Guns are not the problem.

    If guns are not the problem, then the problem should also manifest
    itself here in school killings by knifing, etc ... That doesn't happen.

    Take the notion of school-killings out of the equation, and 'guns'
    remain.

    You deliberately cut what I said with a sad attempt to make yourself appear smart and intellectual.
    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?

    Obama had several school tragedies under his watch where was CNN and the rest of the media blaming then President Obama for not stopping this, or harping
    on the anti-gun movement or even having the conversation to put a stop to this from happening again and again. That was a conversation that never took place and history has recorded and shown the door to failure, because when you do nothing you can expect no results.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Feb 25 16:59:46 2018
    Hello Gregory!

    24 Feb 18 23:58, Gregory Deyss wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?

    Rarely. As we all know, in school shootings they are operated (mainly) by young
    white men. What does that tell you? Even nuclear bombs need to be operated by someone. Got any problem with your neighbour owning one?

    The real question is not about operating weapons. The question is what kind of society you want to live in. You call a society of gun owners a "free" society.
    I call it a fettered society. A society where one is not able to live or send kids to school freely, without armed people being around to protect them, a society where a large fraction of the citizens feels the urge to be armed for self-defense is not free. It is fettered by mistrust, fear, and violence.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 26 03:29:46 2018
    Hello Greg,

    LaPierre is in favor of no laws for anyone?

    That is simply not true, not even remotely. It's a total lie put forth by a
    liberal mindset to protect their fragile feelings.

    Wayne LaPierre has written several books. Among them are
    "America Disarmed: Inside the U.N. and Obama's Scheme to Destroy
    the Second Amendment", published in 2011, being his sequel to
    his 2006 book, "The Global War On Your Guns". Each book is
    over 200,000 words of gibberish, and all are welcome to read
    them. Two other books of note he has written are "Guns,
    Freedom & Terrorism" (2011) and "Guns, Crime and Freedom" (2011).
    That should be enough reading material to last you the rest
    of the year.

    Here are some books that in my opinion are far better than
    anything and everything LaPierre has written -

    "The Second Amendment: A Biography", by Michael Waldman

    "More Guns, Less Crime", by John R. Lott, Jr.

    "Gunfight", by Adam Winkler

    The best by far is "Gunfight", by UCLA constitutional law
    professor Adam Winkler, who puts the gun debate in terms easy
    for all to understand, calling the two main groups "gun nuts"
    vs "gun grabbers".

    The KKK began as a racist gun control organization. Donald
    Trump's father (Fred Trump) was a full-fledged member of the KKK.
    Does that make Donald Trump a racist? Does that make Donald
    Trump a "gun nut" or a "gun grabber"? Of course not. Sins of
    the father cannot, and should not, be tacked on to the son or
    daughter.

    Ronald Reagan passed gun control laws as California governor.
    And who can ever forget what he did as president? Oh, we all
    just love The Brady Bill ...

    Teachers get emotional. And often times upset. Not just at
    students, but also at administrators. Can you imagine what would >LL>happen if a teacher got mad at a student who mouthed off at him
    and decided to shut him up permanently by using a gun?

    I think teachers are a lot stronger then you or these lefty arguments give
    them credit for.

    How many teachers, coaches, and administrators confronted the two
    shooters at Columbine? Two armed cops outside the school remained
    outside, refusing to go in, knowing what was happening. Nobody
    called them "chicken", as so many did about the cop outside the
    school in Parkland, Florida who likewise chose to remain outside.

    Half of all cops who confront a shooter are killed or injured.
    Cops are trained, and work full-time, to serve and protect the
    public. A cop armed with a handgun going against a kid armed
    with a weapon of war (such as an AR-15) is a losing proposition.
    Asking teachers to do the same thing is just plum nuts, as most
    people (including teachers) are not suicidal.

    Not every teacher this is and was taken out of context.
    Teachers are educators, and are paid to teach, not shoot students.

    Ok, Teachers are paid to teach and learning is best when you don't have a
    madman shooting up the place.

    Most people with mental problems are nonviolent. And those who
    are often go undetected, until it is too late for anybody to do
    anytning about it. The young adult who took the lives of so many
    at Parkland clearly had some problems, and mistakes were made
    that allowed him to do what he did. But arming teachers is not
    the answer to prevent such things from happening again.

    This would be concealed carry, and it would not be every teacher, this
    notion that it would be every teacher is meant to cloud and confuse the issue, it is deliberate and obvious and if people want to have their say on this issue, then they should really join the adults in the room, otherwise they will be ignored and not heard.

    The governor of Florida wants to have armed cops at every school,
    one cop per 1,000 students. The school in Parkland had over 3,000
    students. Even with 3 cops present that would not have been near
    enough to prevent a killer armed with a weapon of war from doing
    what he did.

    As you know, one cop at a school is meaningless, the minimum
    number needed for security being two cops. And that is for a
    small school, not a large one. How expensive do you think it
    would be to pay all the cops needed to do the job?

    A much better solution would be to ban military-type assault
    weapons (such as the AR-15) nationwide. Not just in the state
    of Maryland. Along with eliminating loopholes in background
    checks. And banning bump stocks. This is not gun control,
    or taking anybody's rights away. It is common sense.

    Parents have a reasonable expectation that when their children board the
    school bus that their children will return home safe and sound, not full of bullet holes or worse.

    I had a teacher in math class who was a bit nuts. If a student
    did not give him the answer he was looking for, he would throw an
    eraser at him/her. That can hurt, so some of us took the backs
    of the erasers off in order to save ourselves. That worked for
    a while, until he started throwing chalk at us. I'm just glad
    he did not have a gun ...

    The President also pointed out it takes 8 minutes for the Police to
    arrive
    and the carnage that is the killings is over in 3 minutes.
    That is an average time, and quite meaningless, given many schools
    are located in rural areas.

    I am sure you know the meaning of rural, this means that the police station
    is not next door to the school, but spread out. The point that the
    President was making was that the killings would take place before law enforcement could arrive.

    Violence begets violence. More violence begets more violence.
    The only way to end violence is with peace. And love. And singing
    kum-ba-ya ...

    Gun-free-zones are a much better option. This has been the law
    of the land for almost three decades.

    So you propose to continue to allow schools continue to be soft targets. Do
    what you suggestion means that the killings to continue.

    The federal free zone act has worked well for almost thirty years,
    and covers over 98% of our schools. Why should we end what has
    worked so well by making those same schools less secure, making
    each of them in effect a war zone?

    Promoting an arms race as a means of public policy is not new
    to the NRA. What the NRA wants is to sell more guns. To whoever
    wants to buy them. Both law-abiding and not-so-law-abiding folks
    alike. Gun sales are gun sales, regardless of who buys them.

    The assumption that a bad guy might have access to a gun is no
    excuse as to why good guys must have a right to those same guns.
    Even if those guns happen to be weapons of war, useless to all
    except those who want to kill.

    This is Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) on a personal level.
    Let's arm everybody, young and old, able and not so able. Talk
    about a deterrent. Arm everybody, and let them all do their own
    thing, however which way they want. This philosophy has now made
    its way from the NRA to the Congress and into the White House.

    Guns are not the problem.

    The AR-15 used in the Parkland shootings certainly was.

    People with guns protect airports, banks, politicians, government buildings,
    celebrities and law enforcement, but schools are a gun free zone, this
    makes no sense, it is where our most precious are.

    Nobody (except killers) needs a weapon of war such as an AR-15.
    All such weapons should be banned, nationally, not just in Maryland.
    When killers no longer have access to such weapons of war, lives
    will be saved.

    The only person with a gun in a gun free zone, is a killer.

    No guns in schools takes away their means of killing.
    Therefore, the only people armed with a gun are law enforcement
    personnel. And they are trained, and paid, to serve and protect.
    And we all know who they are sworn to serve and protect.

    What we need is more metal detectors and multiple checkpoints
    at each and every school. No guns allowed, or cell phones.
    Having a cop(s) at every school would also help, but that would
    cost money. But hey. That's why we pay taxes.

    This is non-sense, a madman will not be deterred by detectors or
    checkpoints, a person with this level of intent can not be stopped by these weak security measures.

    Have you ever been to a courthouse? Or a federal building?
    If you are not authorized to carry a weapon, they will find
    a nice cozy place for you to stay. At taxpayer expense.

    Having more metal detectors and checkpoints will catch future
    wannabe killers from doing their thing. And that means saving
    lives.

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy, >LL>>LL>students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly.

    What is silly, is that fake news media putting out this total fabrication.
    All because they are an arm of the Democratic Party and will do or say anything to oppose the President. - they are still sore over loosing the election and being so indescribably wrong in their reporting that Hillary Clinton will win in a
    land slide.

    Half of all cops who confront a killer are either killed or injured.
    Expecting teachers to put their own lives on the line is patently
    absurd, for reasons already explained.

    Reality canceled their celebration plans and popped all of their Hillary
    together balloons.

    The issue is not about Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party,
    or those who supported her. It is about guns, the gun culture
    in the US, and what to do to change it. Doing nothing is not
    an option, as so many young people are trying to point out.
    They are the ones who are taking to the streets, protesting
    in front of cameras for all to see.

    Donald Trump's approval rating has now slipped to his lowest
    rating ever. I wonder why? He has lost the trust of our nation's
    youth. Not because of anything Hillary Clinton or the Democratic
    Party did or may have done. But by Trump's own actions.

    And yet, accidents continue to happen. Irresponsible people
    leave loaded guns around, retarded or crazy persons pick them
    up, bad things happen.

    It should be mandated when purchasing a gun, How will you secure your
    firearm. Accountability and Responsibility must be part of the application process, not just.. it is my right so gimmie what I pay for.

    And those who act in an irresponsible manner pay for it in ways
    they often do not expect.

    Not that they should be under suspicion of future wrong doing.

    Background checks should be upgraded. Loopholes should be
    eliminated. Mistakes do happen in background checks, but that
    can be fixed or amended.

    Owning a firearm should be a privilege

    The Second Amendment says it is a *right* to keep and bear arms.
    I'll stick with that version. :)

    and those rights should be denied on the spot,

    Rights can be suspended, but not sure if they can ever be denied.

    until these safety checks can be verified - as well as the current
    measures that are in place currently, known as a Federal background history
    checks

    There are some loopholes that must be fixed/eliminated. Such
    as the provision allowing folks to buy whatever gun they want at
    a gun show without having to undergo a background check. And
    even those with a mental illness can easily buy a gun of their
    own choice.

    but..

    The fewer killers armed with guns, the fewer people getting killed.

    What if someone obtains a gun illegally, what then?

    Get them to sell it at a pawn shop.

    We are back where we started aren't we...

    Depends how much they need or want the cash ...

    The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is with a good guy with a gun.

    Wayne LaPierre keeps saying that.
    He was wrong then.
    He is wrong now.

    Time now for "The Walking Dead" ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 26 03:29:52 2018
    Hello Greg,

    WD> GD> Guns are not the problem.
    WD>
    WD> If guns are not the problem, then the problem should also manifest
    WD> itself here in school killings by knifing, etc ... That doesn't
    happen.
    WD>
    WD> Take the notion of school-killings out of the equation, and 'guns'
    WD> remain.

    You deliberately cut what I said with a sad attempt to make yourself appear smart and intellectual.
    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?

    Sometimes.

    "I didn't mean to. I had the gun in my backpack and I didn't know
    it was loaded and my backpack fell and the gun went off."
    ~ 12-year-old sobs while explaining it was the gun that did it,
    with 2 shot and 3 others injured, at Salvodor B. Castro Middle
    School, in Los Angeles.

    Guns are dangerous. And can go off by themselves. Which is
    exactly what happened just a few short weeks ago. Of course, it
    was all an accident, as everyone agrees. The girl was placed
    in Juvie School and I am sure her parents will deal with the
    situation. A helluva learning experience for the girl, but it
    was an accident.

    Obama had several school tragedies under his watch where was CNN and the
    rest of the media blaming then President Obama for not stopping this, or harping on the anti-gun movement or even having the conversation to put a stop to this from happening again and again.
    That was a conversation that never took place and history has recorded and
    shown the door to failure, because when you do nothing you can expect no results.

    There are no innocents, especially among politicians, regardless
    of party affiliation. The NRA has so many politicians in its pocket
    it makes little difference what any politician says. Nothing ever
    gets done, as politicians of all stripes are too chickenshit to do
    anytning at all to fix the problem.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerrit Kuehn on Mon Feb 26 03:29:58 2018
    Hello Gerrit,

    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?

    Rarely. As we all know, in school shootings they are operated (mainly) by
    young white men. What does that tell you?

    Women are smarter than men. Well, most of them. But since most
    school shootings are committed by children [accidentally] shooting
    at other children, it is usually boys rather than girls who do such
    things. But not always. In fact, sometimes it is neither boys nor
    girls who do the shooting, but the guns themselves. Which is exactly
    what happened a few weeks ago at a middle school in Los Angeles -

    "I didn't mean to. I had the gun in my backpack and I did't
    know it was loaded and my backpack fell and the gun went off."
    ~ 12-year-old girl sobs while trying to explain that guns
    kill students, not people (the gun shot 2 classmates, with
    3 others being injured at Salvador B. Castro Middle School).

    All agree it was an accident. An accident waiting to happen,
    but an accident none-the-less. The girl was booked into
    Juvenile Hall on suspicion of negligently discharging a firearm
    on school grounds.

    Her parents will be sure to ground her for life. Or at least
    until she makes it to the next grade.

    Even nuclear bombs need to be operated by someone. Got any problem with your
    neighbour owning one?

    I cannot imagine any school kid carrying a nuclear bomb in his/her
    backpack. But a neighbor with a van might be a problem ...

    The real question is not about operating weapons. The question is what kind
    of society you want to live in.

    We have a gun culture. Changing that gun culture takes time.

    You call a society of gun owners a "free" society.

    Contrary to popular belief, the wild, wild west was civilized
    compared to what we have now. Back then, folks had to check in
    theit guns with the sheriff, and could only carry them with his
    permission. This kept the number of shootouts to a minimum,
    with anybody challenging the sheriff's authority usually finding
    themselves in a pine box.

    I call it a fettered society. A society where one is not able to live or
    send kids to school freely, without armed people being around to protect them, a society where a large fraction of the citizens feels the urge to be armed for self-defense is not free. It is fettered by mistrust, fear, and violence.

    The president is in favor of allowing teachers to carry concealed
    weapons as a means of keeping our schools safe. He is talking about kindergarten through grade 12. Of course, the president has got it
    all wrong, as most kids are good kids and would never do harm to
    anyone.

    In some states, colleges and universities have been on board on
    this for a while, allowing students themselves to carry firearms.
    The students at those colleges and universities make straight A's,
    to the delight of their parents. The professors know their days
    are numbered if they give those students an F.

    The real solution to this mess is for parents to teach their
    children how to properly use firearms, and insist they bring their
    guns to school. That will keep the teachers in line, and guarantee
    their children will pass all tests with flying colors. Convincing
    the president to jump on board with this idea might be a problem,
    as he can be very bullheaded at times. But after a few more
    Columbines, Newtons, and Parklands he might be open to change.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 26 08:34:25 2018

    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?

    At scoutcamp I had a group of Columbine survivors and their parents.

    I don't think there is very much significantly you can tell me about guns that will impress me.

    That parent who lost his child ... 'that' was impressive.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Tue Feb 27 03:42:00 2018
    Hello Ward,

    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?

    At scoutcamp I had a group of Columbine survivors and their parents.

    I don't think there is very much significantly you can tell me about guns
    that will impress me.

    That parent who lost his child ... 'that' was impressive.

    It is about people. Not guns. That is something the NRA wants
    everybody to forget. But this time, well, the times are a-changing.
    Hopefully for the better.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Mon Feb 26 21:06:08 2018
    On 02/26/18, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Tell me something do guns fire at another by themselves?
    At scoutcamp I had a group of Columbine survivors and their parents.
    I don't think there is very much significantly you can tell me about
    guns that will impress me.

    I too was in the BSA when it was still BSA and not girls now included, but is a different story, at the Rotary Scout Reservation of the Twin Rivers council Troop 528 of Postenkill, NY I too learned how to respect and fire a firearm.

    . ______
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    ( Gregory |
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Feb 26 22:19:27 2018
    On 02/26/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    "America Disarmed: Inside the U.N. and Obama's Scheme to Destroy
    the Second Amendment", published in 2011, being his sequel to
    his 2006 book, "The Global War On Your Guns". Each book is
    over 200,000 words of gibberish, and all are welcome to read
    them. Two other books of note he has written are "Guns,
    Freedom & Terrorism" (2011) and "Guns, Crime and Freedom" (2011).
    That should be enough reading material to last you the rest
    of the year.

    In not of any of these Books does Mr. LaPierre advocate the striking out or the elimination of guns laws.

    The KKK began as a racist gun control organization. Donald
    Trump's father (Fred Trump) was a full-fledged member of the KKK.

    lol someone is a full fledged but its not the late Fred Trump.
    A 1927 New York Times article named Fred Trump among the individuals arrested after a "near-riot" involving the KKK and New York City policemen at a "Memorial parade."

    WHAT'S FALSE
    The article did not document that Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporter,
    or that he was charged with a crime in connection with the KKK event.

    How many teachers, coaches, and administrators confronted the two
    shooters at Columbine? Two armed cops outside the school remained outside, refusing to go in, knowing what was happening. Nobody
    called them "chicken", as so many did about the cop outside the
    school in Parkland, Florida who likewise chose to remain outside.

    Nope it was a total of 4 pansy ass deputy's, who all remained outside.
    They should choose a new profession because they failed their community
    totally & completely. The Sheriff should also be terminated from his
    employment by order of the Governor.

    Have you ever been to a courthouse? Or a federal building?
    If you are not authorized to carry a weapon, they will find
    a nice cozy place for you to stay. At taxpayer expense.

    Your missing the point, do you know what else is at a courthouse or a Federal Building? Lots and Lots of Guns held by law enforcement.

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy,
    students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly.

    Do nothing and there be another debate and more conversation about how to
    solve this issue.

    Donald Trump's approval rating has now slipped to his lowest
    rating ever. I wonder why? He has lost the trust of our nation's
    youth. Not because of anything Hillary Clinton or the Democratic
    Party did or may have done. But by Trump's own actions.

    I do not know where you get your information but it is really
    inaccurate, the President just had the highest percentage ratings.
    Highest ever since his presidency, even high than Obama when serving
    the same set of days, but you will not see that on the news programs your watching.

    Polls are so ridiculous who cares, the President is the President until the next election, it will be another 4 years of Donald J. Trump as President.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Feb 27 08:03:38 2018
    I too was in the BSA when it was still BSA and not girls now included,
    but is a different story, at the Rotary Scout Reservation of the Twin Rivers council Troop 528 of Postenkill, NY I too learned how to respect
    and fire a firearm.

    The camp where I served had an incredible good instructor, he became a very good friend and we simply had not a problem between us though we entertained different opinions on the subject.

    I learned that owning and operating a gun was something more than just owning and operating a gun.

    People will also need to learn and understnd the 2nd Amendment is not going to go away for a host of reasons. Narrowminded power-hungry people being the least
    of that. It's a multi-billion dollar part of the economy providing hundreds of thousand jobs in manufacture, maintenance, ammo, transport, administration, licensing, finance, ... "That" is the real reason why it won't go.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Tue Feb 27 07:50:44 2018
    The camp where I served had an incredible good instructor, he became a very good friend and we simply had not a problem between us though we entertained different opinions on the subject.

    I learned that owning and operating a gun was something more than just owning and operating a gun.

    People will also need to learn and understnd the 2nd Amendment is not going to go away for a host of reasons. Narrowminded power-hungry people being the least of that. It's a multi-billion dollar part of the economy providing hundreds of thousand jobs in manufacture, maintenance, ammo, transport, administration, licensing, finance, ... "That" is the real reason why it won't go.

    This real reason sounds good but there was none of these infrastructures in place creating thousands of jobs or any of the other things that you
    mentioned, in these simpler times of the late 1750's or even into the 1800's Why don't we hold onto the reasons of liberty, and stop being offended of its existence.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Feb 27 21:42:18 2018
    Hello Greg,

    "America Disarmed: Inside the U.N. and Obama's Scheme to Destroy
    the Second Amendment", published in 2011, being his sequel to
    his 2006 book, "The Global War On Your Guns". Each book is
    over 200,000 words of gibberish, and all are welcome to read
    them. Two other books of note he has written are "Guns,
    Freedom & Terrorism" (2011) and "Guns, Crime and Freedom" (2011).
    That should be enough reading material to last you the rest
    of the year.

    In not of any of these Books does Mr. LaPierre advocate the striking out or
    the elimination of guns laws.

    LaPierre has never been in favor of gun control legislation, and
    has made no secret he would dearly love existing laws (such as the
    Brady bill) to be repealed. For him, and the NRA, it is all about
    gun sales. The more, the merrier.

    The KKK began as a racist gun control organization. Donald
    Trump's father (Fred Trump) was a full-fledged member of the KKK.

    lol someone is a full fledged but its not the late Fred Trump.

    How do you know? The KKK is a secret organization. It does not
    exactly advertise who its members are, or who its past members were.

    A 1927 New York Times article named Fred Trump among the individuals
    arrested after a "near-riot" involving the KKK and New York City policemen
    at a "Memorial parade."

    Several articles were written, not just the NYT piece. During or
    after a parade a mele broke out between roughly 1,000 Ku Kluxers and
    100 policemen, with seven people being arrested. One of those seven
    people arrested was the president's father, Fred Trump.

    WHAT'S FALSE
    The article did not document that Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporter,
    or that he was charged with a crime in connection with
    the KKK event.

    www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2017-08-15

    Seven people were arrested, including the president's father,
    Fred Trump. Although the charges against him were dismissed, that
    does not make him innocent.

    Records show that Fred Trump lived with his mother at the address
    shown, and that it was the very same Fred Trump who was arrested.
    Does that make him a member of the KKK? Does that mean he took
    part in KKK activities? Sure, he could have been an innocent
    bystander who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong
    time. But how likely is that?

    How many teachers, coaches, and administrators confronted the two >LL>shooters at Columbine? Two armed cops outside the school remained >LL>outside, refusing to go in, knowing what was happening. Nobody
    called them "chicken", as so many did about the cop outside the
    school in Parkland, Florida who likewise chose to remain outside.

    Nope it was a total of 4 pansy ass deputy's, who all remained outside.
    They should choose a new profession because they failed their community >totally & completely. The Sheriff should also be terminated from his >employment by order of the Governor.

    A trained cop, armed with a handgun, going against a killer armed
    with a weapon of war, is on a suicide mission that has zero chance
    of success.

    A SWAT team might have a chance. But they play it safe, always
    keeping themselves behind barricades.

    Have you ever been to a courthouse? Or a federal building?
    If you are not authorized to carry a weapon, they will find
    a nice cozy place for you to stay. At taxpayer expense.

    Your missing the point, do you know what else is at a courthouse or a
    Federal Building? Lots and Lots of Guns held by law enforcement.

    Of course there is. Just as most schools have at least one cop
    or security guard present. But our schools are less secure because
    of the lack of metal detectors and checkpoints. Yes, our schools
    do need more security. But arming teachers and other school
    employees is not the answer.

    The idea of arming teachers, coaches, principals, clergy,
    students, all untrained in the art of killing people, much
    less shooting a firearm, is just plain silly.

    Do nothing and there be another debate and more conversation about how to
    solve this issue.

    Doing nothing is what our politicians have been doing for decades.
    And I mean politicians of both parties.

    Donald Trump's approval rating has now slipped to his lowest
    rating ever. I wonder why? He has lost the trust of our nation's >LL>youth. Not because of anything Hillary Clinton or the Democratic
    Party did or may have done. But by Trump's own actions.

    I do not know where you get your information but it is really
    inaccurate, the President just had the highest percentage ratings.
    Highest ever since his presidency, even high than Obama when serving
    the same set of days, but you will not see that on the news programs your
    watching.

    Every reputable poll has the president's job approval rating tanking.

    Polls are so ridiculous who cares, the President is the President until the
    next election,

    Unless he is impeached and removed from office before then.

    it will be another 4 years of Donald J. Trump as President.

    He has been in office 403 days. That gives him less than 3 years.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Wed Feb 28 03:03:35 2018
    Hello Ward,

    I too was in the BSA when it was still BSA and not girls now included, >GD>but is a different story, at the Rotary Scout Reservation of the Twin >GD>Rivers council Troop 528 of Postenkill, NY I too learned how to respect >GD>and fire a firearm.

    The camp where I served had an incredible good instructor, he became a very
    good friend and we simply had not a problem between us though we
    entertained different opinions on the subject.

    Most people agree that owning a gun means taking and accepting
    responsibility. But not everyone wants that responsibility, which
    is one reason why nobody should be forced to own a gun.

    I learned that owning and operating a gun was something more than just
    owning and operating a gun.

    Never point a gun at anyone unless you intend to use it. Sometimes
    a person has no choice but to use a gun in self-defense. But usually
    it is best to walk away, if possible (or give the assailant what he
    wants, and hope for the best).

    People will also need to learn and understnd the 2nd Amendment is not going
    to go away for a host of reasons.

    The 2nd Amendment has been twisted to mean far from what the Framers
    of the Constitution had in mind. Up until 30 years ago, the courts consistently ruled that people do not have the right to any and all
    guns. But the NRA, led by Wayne LaPierre and others of his ilk,
    have bought so many politicians (regardless of party affiliation)
    that the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment has been lost.

    Narrowminded power-hungry people being the least of that.

    Gun sales are a multi-billion dollar business.

    It's a multi-billion dollar part of the economy providing hundreds of
    thousand jobs in manufacture, maintenance, ammo, transport, administration, licensing, finance, ... "That" is the real reason why it won't go.

    Money talks. Politicians listen. People suffer.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Feb 27 19:27:43 2018
    On 02/27/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    LaPierre has never been in favor of gun control legislation, and
    has made no secret he would dearly love existing laws (such as the
    Brady bill) to be repealed. For him, and the NRA, it is all about
    gun sales. The more, the merrier.

    With an organization as big as the NRA, he need not worry about the money, it is more about the preservation- Freedom safest place.
    Does that denote what your talking about? No, I did not think so either.

    The KKK began as a racist gun control organization. Donald
    Trump's father (Fred Trump) was a full-fledged member of the KKK.
    lol someone is a full fledged but its not the late Fred Trump.

    Giving the wide spread knowledge that is available about the Trump Family History there would never be any reason for him to be apart of such an organization. That's just for starters.

    How do you know? The KKK is a secret organization. It does not
    exactly advertise who its members are, or who its past members were.

    Umm, don't you realize this works in my favor too.
    so how you know he was if what you say is true about the secretive nature of the organization.


    A 1927 New York Times article named Fred Trump among the individuals
    arrested after a "near-riot" involving the KKK and New York City policem at a "Memorial parade."

    Several articles were written, not just the NYT piece. During or
    after a parade a mele broke out between roughly 1,000 Ku Kluxers and
    100 policemen, with seven people being arrested. One of those seven people arrested was the president's father, Fred Trump.

    WHAT'S FALSE
    The article did not document that Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporte
    or that he was charged with a crime in connection with
    the KKK event.

    www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2017-08-15

    lol the rachel maddow. on pmsnbc. The first three letters of her last name is mad. I wouldn't believe anything coming out of her mouth or anyone from that network, their as fake as CNN, and cut from the very same cloth.
    You should know better because your smarter then this.

    A trained cop, armed with a handgun, going against a killer armed
    with a weapon of war, is on a suicide mission that has zero chance
    of success.

    Then don't bring the proverbial sword to a gun fight.
    These pansy ass would be officers were trained the boy with an AR-15 is not. They did not even try. They have failed these murdered childrenm their community and the county of which they serve, they need to be terminated and put in a application at the local Wal*Mart because that is about all that
    they are good for.

    Of course there is. Just as most schools have at least one cop
    or security guard present. But our schools are less secure because
    of the lack of metal detectors and checkpoints.

    What are metal detectors and checkpoints going to, are they going to stop a madman with a AR-15.

    That's like driving 60 mph through a marshmallow.

    Doing nothing is what our politicians have been doing for decades.
    And I mean politicians of both parties.

    Trump is unlike any President before him.

    Unless he is impeached and removed from office before then.

    Impeached? for what? it is has been 18 mo since Muller has had in trying to find Trump Russian collusion, guess what there is none, but there is plenty of Democratic-Russian collusion but there is no equal justice under the law, so he is not interested in such things.

    LL> >it will be another 4 years of Donald J. Trump as
    President. LL> LL> He has been in office 403 days. That gives him less
    than 3 years.

    Funny.. it was today as the President announced he is running again in 2020, and he will win too. If that useless piece of garbage Obama can win two terms then Trump will win AGAIN and in ANOTHER landslide.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Feb 27 21:54:50 2018
    On 02/28/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Most people agree that owning a gun means taking and accepting responsibility. But not everyone wants that responsibility, which
    is one reason why nobody should be forced to own a gun.

    Who said anything about being forced to own one?

    Sometimes a person has no choice.
    it is best to walk away, if possible (or give the assailant what he
    wants, and hope for the best).

    If he wants to take your life and watch you bleed out, what then?

    Money talks. Politicians listen. People suffer.

    People also suffer when they take away guns too, just as history has shown.

    * In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
    about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. This doesn't include the 30 million 'Uncle Joe' starved to
    death in the Ukraine.

    * In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    * Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, leaving a populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of thousands died as a result.

    * China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    * Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
    Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    * Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    The total dead are said to be 2-3 million

    * Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1-2 million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    * Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.

    * Gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381
    personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results:

    Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults went up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies went up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
    percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
    criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.

    It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too.

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady DECREASE in armed robbery with firearms, that changed drastically upward in the first year
    after gun confiscation...since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
    is unarmed.

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
    has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience
    and the other historical facts above prove it.

    You won't see this data on the U.S. evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late.

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of
    this history lesson.

    With Guns...........We Are "Citizens".
    Without Them........We Are "Subjects".

    During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
    most Americans were ARMED.

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Feb 28 06:26:18 2018
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday February 27 2018 at 21:54:

    * Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
    leaving a populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of thousands died as a result.

    A ridiculous conclusion, considering the timeline. And a wild claim. Millions died as a result of WWII, and as for anyone "defending" themselves against Gestapo and SS - you simply don't have any idea of what those organizations were or how they operated.

    Just try to "defend" yourself against the combined police forces _and_ military
    of the USA and you get an idea of the realities.

    As for gun control during the war years, what a laugh. The country was swarming
    with guns and there was very little control over that - in the wartime confusion much less than today. And even today, there are still guns to be had,
    left over from the Balkan wars of the 1990s, for anyone with enough money. But normal people here neither need nor want them, as the populace is much less violence-prone today than in the USA.

    I often think the latter (violence in the USA) is simply a result of fear what others might do, once they arm themselves. Fear feeds the violence which feeds the perceived "need" for a firearm to "defend" ones self - even if a person has
    no idea whatever how to properly use a firearm and might well shoot him/herself
    accidently rather than anyone else. It's a vicious circle, and unfortunately I see no end to it in the forseeable future.

    But at least in Germany, where I live, you can rest assured that no one need fear for their life when they leave the sanctuary of their own home. There is crime, but not on the same order as in the States and certainly not gun crime in the majority of cases.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Robert Bashe on Wed Feb 28 07:41:22 2018
    Bob,

    And even today, there are still
    guns to be had, left over from the Balkan wars of the 1990s, for anyone with enough money.

    Exactly. In Prague, today, there are arms dealers whom will sell me am AK47 out
    of the trunk of a car. And due to Schengen I can drive straight to Belgium with
    it.

    The thing is, however, I feel no need to own one.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Feb 28 21:48:59 2018
    Hello Greg,

    LaPierre has never been in favor of gun control legislation, and
    has made no secret he would dearly love existing laws (such as the >LL>Brady bill) to be repealed. For him, and the NRA, it is all about
    gun sales. The more, the merrier.

    With an organization as big as the NRA, he need not worry about the money,
    it is more about the preservation- Freedom safest place.
    Does that denote what your talking about? No, I did not think so either.

    More and more companies and corporations are distancing themselves
    from the NRA. Young people are protesting, and promising to make
    this a campaign issue this fall. It will be interesting to see how
    this all plays out.

    The KKK began as a racist gun control organization. Donald
    Trump's father (Fred Trump) was a full-fledged member of the KKK.
    lol someone is a full fledged but its not the late Fred Trump.

    Giving the wide spread knowledge that is available about the Trump Family
    History there would never be any reason for him to be apart of such an organization. That's just for starters.

    And yet, he was arrested at one of their events.

    How do you know? The KKK is a secret organization. It does not >LL>exactly advertise who its members are, or who its past members were.

    Umm, don't you realize this works in my favor too.
    so how you know he was if what you say is true about the secretive nature of
    the organization.

    He was arrested at one of their events, a parade in Jamaica, NY.
    There is record of this, so this is not fake news.

    LL> >A 1927 New York Times article named Fred Trump among the individuals
    LL> > arrested after a "near-riot" involving the KKK and New York City policem
    LL> > at a "Memorial parade."
    LL>
    LL> Several articles were written, not just the NYT piece. During or
    LL> after a parade a mele broke out between roughly 1,000 Ku Kluxers and
    LL> 100 policemen, with seven people being arrested. One of those seven
    LL> people arrested was the president's father, Fred Trump.
    LL>
    LL> >WHAT'S FALSE
    LL> >The article did not document that Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporte
    LL> > or that he was charged with a crime in connection with
    LL> >the KKK event.
    LL>
    LL> www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2017-08-15

    lol the rachel maddow. on pmsnbc. The first three letters of her last name
    is mad. I wouldn't believe anything coming out of her mouth or anyone from that network, their as fake as CNN, and cut from the very same cloth.

    But is it true? That is the question. And based on the evidence,
    it does appear to be so. However, none of this is absolute proof that
    Fred Trump was an actual member of the KKK. That is only speculation
    and conjecture.

    You should know better because your smarter then this.

    Oh, some very smart people truly believe Fred Trump was a full-fledged
    member of the KKK. Such as noted historian Linda Gordon, author of
    "The Second Coming of the KKK: The Ku Klux Klan and the American
    Political Tradition". She is very careful with her choice of words,
    so as not to cross the son of Fred Trump. But there is no denying
    what she means.

    A trained cop, armed with a handgun, going against a killer armed
    with a weapon of war, is on a suicide mission that has zero chance
    of success.

    Then don't bring the proverbial sword to a gun fight.

    I have been to Japan. And trust me when I tell you, I am
    no samurai.

    These pansy ass would be officers were trained the boy with an AR-15 is not.

    It doesn't take much talent (if any) to shoot an AR-15.

    They did not even try.

    Can't blame them.

    They have failed these murdered childrenm their community and the county of
    which they serve, they need to be terminated and put in a application at
    the local Wal*Mart because that is about all that
    they are good for.

    Cops are paranoid, not suicidal. President Trump claims he would
    have gone in, unarmed, to confront the shooter. While he is only
    posturing to make himself look good, the reality is he cannot stand
    the sight of blood. What would he have done had he been inside
    the school as the shootings occurred? Either fainted or dropped
    dead. Which would explain why he got five deferments, and never
    had to serve in Vietnam.

    Of course there is. Just as most schools have at least one cop
    or security guard present. But our schools are less secure because
    of the lack of metal detectors and checkpoints.

    What are metal detectors and checkpoints going to, are they going to stop a
    madman with a AR-15.

    A madman with an AR-15 would never have bothered approaching
    a school armed with metal detectors and checkpoints.

    That's like driving 60 mph through a marshmallow.

    That might be something new for Vin Diesel to try.

    Doing nothing is what our politicians have been doing for decades.
    And I mean politicians of both parties.

    Trump is unlike any President before him.

    He still has not had a child out of wedlock while in office.

    Unless he is impeached and removed from office before then.

    Impeached? for what?

    Collusion with Russia, obstruction of justice, whatever else
    Mueller comes up with ...

    it is has been 18 mo since Muller has had in trying to find Trump Russian
    collusion, guess what there is none, but there is plenty of
    Democratic-Russian collusion but there is no equal justice under the law, so
    he is not interested in such things.

    Mueller is interested in finding the truth, so that justice
    can be done. Regardless of how long it may take.

    it will be another 4 years of Donald J. Trump as President.

    He has been in office 403 days. That gives him less
    than 3 years.

    Funny.. it was today as the President announced he is running again in 2020,
    and he will win too.

    Joe Biden is smiling, realizing he has become the anti-Trump.

    If that useless piece of garbage Obama can win two terms
    then Trump will win AGAIN and in ANOTHER landslide.

    Well, there is always the possibility that Barack Obama
    could come out of hiding and run for a new first term ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Feb 28 21:49:05 2018
    Hello Greg,

    Most people agree that owning a gun means taking and accepting >LL>responsibility. But not everyone wants that responsibility, which
    is one reason why nobody should be forced to own a gun.

    Who said anything about being forced to own one?

    President Donald J. Trump. Says he wants to arm 20% of all teachers.
    There are some 5 million teachers in the US. That means he would like
    to arm 1 million teachers. Each of them with a handgun. And ammo.
    Of course, all those teachers would have to be trained on how to use
    those guns, and load them properly with the right kind of ammo.

    This new government program will cost money. Lots of money. With
    the cost of each handgun at $500, arming 1 million teachers would be
    $500 million USD. And then there is training. Let's say three days
    of intensive training, at $1,000 per teacher. That adds up quickly,
    amouunting to $1 billion USD. So, you are looking at a cost of $1.5
    billion USD, just to get this government program up and running.
    Talk about wreck the budget. And that is not including the cost
    of hospitalization for those teachers and students who get wounded
    during those shootouts with crazies. And the funerals. Oh, the
    president just would never have enough time on his busy schedule
    to pay his respects ...

    Sometimes a person has no choice.
    it is best to walk away, if possible (or give the assailant what he >LL>wants, and hope for the best).

    If he wants to take your life and watch you bleed out, what then?

    Hope to die quickly, rather than suffer endlessly.

    Money talks. Politicians listen. People suffer.

    People also suffer when they take away guns too, just as history has shown.

    That is why we have the Second Amendment.

    * In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
    about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
    and exterminated. This doesn't include the 30 million 'Uncle Joe' starved
    to death in the Ukraine.

    Joe Stalin would likely have been overthrown by his own people
    had it not been for WWII. A famine and drought is what caused most
    crop shortages in Ukraine and Russia, not the policies of Stalin.
    The US and Europe should have done more to help the peoples of the
    former USSR cope, but that is a part of history that few historians
    want to talk or write about. Perhaps our friend Alexander K. would
    like to share his own comments?

    * In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
    Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Sometimes pre-emptive first strikes are necessary. Just ask GWB.

    Who was the aggressor? Turkey or Armenia? Both sides blame the
    other. And neither side admits to doing wrong. But at least they
    are no longer fighting, or invading each other's territory.

    * Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, leaving a
    populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of thousands died as a result.

    There was a war going on. Germany had to defend itself.
    And the people fully supported their own government in that
    endeavor. Germany was their home, not anyplace else.

    Today, Germany has very restrictive gun control laws. And
    very low crime as a result. And with no war to fight, that
    means peace and prosperity for all.

    * China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million >political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and >exterminated.

    Beijing is considered as being the safest city in the world.
    There is a reason why. No guns means little crime. And more
    tourists coming to spend their $$$.

    * Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
    Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated.

    Guatemala was under a military dictatorship, with many human rights
    violations. Not much different than the dictatorship in Chile under
    Augusto Pinochet.

    * Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
    Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. The total dead are said to be 2-3 million

    Saudi Arabia came to their rescue by offering Idi Amin asylum.

    * Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1-2 million
    'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    And to think the US and the rest of the world stood by and did
    nothing. It wasn't until Vietnam stepped in and put an end to
    the carnage that life got better for most Cambodians.

    * Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
    because of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.

    And how many innocents have been killed by acts of senseless
    violence? Armed with a gun, a killer can kill scores of people.
    Keeping guns out of their hands means saved lives.

    * Gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381
    personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program
    costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results:

    There was a mass shooting in Australia in 1999. Australians
    were so aghast they chose to do something about it. They passed
    strong gun control legislation so that such acts would never
    occur again. Do you know how many mass shootings there have been
    in Australia since 1999? None. Absolutely none. a total zero.

    We should do the same in the US what was done in Australia.
    We would all be better off for it.

    Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults went up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies went up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)

    That is laughable, given the number of people in Australia versus
    the number of people in the US. And also think about the number of
    mass shootings in Australia since 1999 since the number of mass
    shootings in the US in that same time period. Also, consider the
    number or school shootings in Australia since 1999 at 4 versus
    thenumber of school shootings in the US this year at 18 (up until
    the Parkland shootings).

    Gun control works. That is a fact Wayne LaPierre and the NRA does
    not want you and others to know about.

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 >percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the >criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.

    A meaningless number, given the small number of people. Also, most
    shootings are suicides, between family members, or people who know
    each other.

    It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too.

    Aussies seem very happy and content with keeping their schools
    safe by not having guns accessible for all.

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady DECREASE in armed
    robbery with firearms, that changed drastically upward in the first year after gun confiscation...since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

    More guns equates to more crime, not less. Banning assalt weapons
    have shown that for a fact. But Republicans did away with that ban
    and assault weapons are all the rage these days. And the best that
    President Trump can do is raise the minimum age to 21? Something
    is clearly wrong with this picture ...

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the >ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety >has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in >successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience >and the other historical facts above prove it.

    President Trump wants to raise the minimum age of purchasing a long
    gun to age 21. This would match the federal minimum age for handguns.
    This would deny 18 to 20-year-olds the means to protect their elderly
    parents and/or grandparents.

    You won't see this data on the U.S. evening news, or hear politicians >disseminating this information.

    People get their news though various means.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
    gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    The 19-year-old young adult who killed 17 and wounded 34 in Parkland
    was an "honest citizen" who had bought a gun and ammo legally. How
    many others like him are out there, waiting to go off?

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late.

    We lost it some 30 years ago.

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of
    this history lesson.

    With Guns...........We Are "Citizens".
    Without Them........We Are "Subjects".

    The US has 4% of the world's population, and owns 42% of the
    world's guns. Maybe the North Korean strongman should ditch his
    nuclear weapons program and go into manufacturing assult weapons
    and handguns for the US population. We would kill ourselves
    with guns made in NK and thank him for it. Howzzat?

    During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
    most Americans were ARMED.

    The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, but that was only a territory.
    During WWII, the Japanese bombed the mainland with hot air balloons,
    killing at least one unarmed woman who went to investigate. It's
    too bad she did not have a BB gun to shoot it down before it could
    do any harm.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Robert Bashe on Wed Feb 28 21:49:24 2018
    Hello Bob,

    * Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, >GD>leaving a populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. >GD>Hundreds of thousands died as a result.

    A ridiculous conclusion, considering the timeline. And a wild claim.
    Millions died as a result of WWII, and as for anyone "defending" themselves against Gestapo and SS - you simply don't have any idea of what those organizations were or how they operated.

    Just try to "defend" yourself against the combined police forces _and_
    military of the USA and you get an idea of the realities.

    At the time, most Germans were Nazis and strongly supportive
    of Adolf Hitler.

    As for gun control during the war years, what a laugh. The country was
    swarming with guns and there was very little control over that - in the wartime confusion much less than today. And even today, there are still
    guns to be had, left over from the Balkan wars of the 1990s, for anyone
    with enough money. But normal people here neither need nor want them, as
    the populace is much less violence-prone today than in the USA.

    That may be, but groups such as skinheads still exist and cause
    trouble. And then there are jihadists, who pay no heed to whatever
    gun laws may exist.

    I often think the latter (violence in the USA) is simply a result of fear
    what others might do, once they arm themselves. Fear feeds the violence
    which feeds the perceived "need" for a firearm to "defend" ones self - even if a person has no idea whatever how to properly use a firearm and might
    well shoot him/herself accidently rather than anyone else. It's a vicious circle, and unfortunately I see no end to it in the forseeable future.

    There is a gun culture in the US. Changing that gun culture is next
    to impossible, but today's youth are trying to do something positive.

    But at least in Germany, where I live, you can rest assured that no one need
    fear for their life when they leave the sanctuary of their own home. There
    is crime, but not on the same order as in the States and certainly not gun crime in the majority of cases.

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to All on Wed Feb 28 21:49:30 2018
    And even today, there are still guns to be had, left over RB>from the
    Balkan wars of the 1990s, for anyone with enough money.

    Exactly. In Prague, today, there are arms dealers whom will sell me am AK47
    out of the trunk of a car. And due to Schengen I can drive straight to Belgium with it.

    The thing is, however, I feel no need to own one.

    And people wonder how Muslims are able to take over Europe ...

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Feb 28 21:12:33 2018

    And people wonder how Muslims are able to take over Europe ...

    Political correctness and the voting power for small parties with extreme programmes ...

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Feb 28 21:31:04 2018
    Hello Lee!

    28 Feb 18 21:49, you wrote to All:

    And people wonder how Muslims are able to take over Europe ...

    The same way all dominant religions do, by family planning.

    Kees

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Mar 1 08:18:11 2018
    On 1/03/2018 5:49 AM, Lee Lofaso -> Gregory Deyss wrote:

    * Gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381
    personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program
    costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first
    year
    results:

    There was a mass shooting in Australia in 1999. Australians
    were so aghast they chose to do something about it. They passed
    strong gun control legislation so that such acts would never
    occur again. Do you know how many mass shootings there have been
    in Australia since 1999? None. Absolutely none. a total zero.

    That's right - a full 100% reduction.

    When one has very small numbers of incidents even one more (or less) makes for massive percentage changes when one considers the percentage increase or decrease as Greg does below.

    We should do the same in the US what was done in Australia.
    We would all be better off for it.

    Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults went up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies went up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)

    That is laughable, given the number of people in Australia versus
    the number of people in the US.

    It is the culture. Australians thump each other with their fists instead of pulling a weapon and shoot1ng each other as seems the norm in USA.

    And also think about the number of mass shootings in Australia since 1999
    since the number of mass
    shootings in the US in that same time period. Also, consider the
    number or school shootings in Australia since 1999 at 4 versus [...]

    I cannot find any reference to 4 school shootings in Aust since the Port Arthur
    event...

    Most of the shootings/murders in Australia today are drug/gang related. Or a family matter. The average public simply is not at risk.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Mar 1 08:19:51 2018
    On 1/03/2018 5:49 AM, Lee Lofaso -> Robert Bashe wrote:

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    I don't - but then again I do not live in the USofA.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to David Drummond on Thu Mar 1 13:22:00 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    On 1/03/2018 5:49 AM, Lee Lofaso -> Robert Bashe wrote:

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    I don't - but then again I do not live in the USofA.

    I do, at bed time. While not in a major city, this is an urban area, and it's better to be safe than sorry. However, any trouble is more likely to come from a non local, the neighbours, by and large, are pretty good. Do ocasionally get to speak to a couple of them in the street or over the fence. :)


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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Mar 1 09:55:30 2018
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Robert Bashe on Wednesday February 28 2018 at 21:49:

    Just try to "defend" yourself against the combined police forces
    _and_ military of the USA and you get an idea of the realities.

    At the time, most Germans were Nazis and strongly supportive of Adolf Hitler.

    That was my point. Just _try_ to "defend" yourselt again overwhelming force. Whether you have guns or not. What I didn't mention: the Warsaw ghetto uprising, where _armed_ jews resisted Gestapo and SS for a prolounged period, but were finally eliminated (killed outright, or sent to extermination camps). You can't "defend" yourself against overwhelming force, guns or not.

    As for gun control during the war years, what a laugh. The country
    was swarming with guns and there was very little control over that -
    in the wartime confusion much less than today. And even today, there
    are still guns to be had, left over from the Balkan wars of the
    1990s, for anyone with enough money. But normal people here neither
    need nor want them, as the populace is much less violence-prone today
    than in the USA.

    That may be, but groups such as skinheads still exist and cause
    trouble. And then there are jihadists, who pay no heed to whatever
    gun laws may exist.

    In fact, it was leftist radicals, the so-called "RAF". that posed the most problems in the 1970s and until the 1990s. Rightist groups and "jihadists" generally use other methods (bombs, driving trucks into crowds).

    There is a gun culture in the US. Changing that gun culture is next
    to impossible, but today's youth are trying to do something positive.

    I wish them luck, but don't really believe they will make a difference.

    But at least in Germany, where I live, you can rest assured that no
    one need fear for their life when they leave the sanctuary of their
    own home. There is crime, but not on the same order as in the States
    and certainly not gun crime in the majority of cases.

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    Like one policeman once told me (in Boston, after my apartment had been broken into for the third time): "Locks are to keep out honest people".

    Of course we lock the outside doors. Where do people _not_ do that?

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Mar 1 09:44:00 2018
    Lee Lofaso wrote to All on Wednesday February 28 2018 at 21:49:

    And even today, there are still guns to be had, left over RB>from
    the Balkan wars of the 1990s, for anyone with enough money.

    Exactly. In Prague, today, there are arms dealers whom will sell me
    am AK47 out of the trunk of a car. And due to Schengen I can drive
    straight to Belgium with it.

    The thing is, however, I feel no need to own one.

    And people wonder how Muslims are able to take over Europe ...

    And I wonder how that comment has anything to do with the subject at hand.

    Are we supposed to arm ourselve to "stave off" a muslim "invasion"? Which, indicentally, doesn't exist.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Kees van Eeten on Thu Mar 1 09:47:02 2018
    Kees van Eeten wrote to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday February 28 2018 at 21:31:

    And people wonder how Muslims are able to take over Europe ...

    The same way all dominant religions do, by family planning.

    The interesting thing is that, according to something I once read, the birth rates drop with increasing affluence. They are high in places where poverty is rampent, and low - sometimes radically low (as in Germany) with a relatively affluent population.

    And people coming from places with a high birth rate tend to adapt to the local
    situation, i.e. their birth rate goes down with increasing affluence. That's something to consider in this discussion.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to David Drummond on Thu Mar 1 09:52:28 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso on Thursday March 01 2018 at 08:19:

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    I don't - but then again I do not live in the USofA.

    Nor, apparently, in a metropolitan area. It's also common for people to not lock doors in the country in any nation, not only in Australia.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Mar 1 07:55:01 2018
    On 02/28/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    LaPierre has never been in favor of gun control legislation, and >LL>has made no secret he would dearly love existing laws (such as the >LL>Brady bill) to be repealed. For him, and the NRA, it is all about >LL>gun sales. The more, the merrier.

    With an organization as big as the NRA, he need not worry about the money
    it is more about the preservation- Freedom safest place.
    Does that denote what your talking about? No, I did not think so either.

    More and more companies and corporations are distancing themselves
    from the NRA. Young people are protesting, and promising to make
    this a campaign issue this fall. It will be interesting to see how
    this all plays out.

    These companies are committing corporate suicide, such is as the case with Delta, in Georgia. As for these kids makin a fuss they are brainwashed by the liberal colleges that they attend.

    This is blaming the rubber tree, because you have a flat tire.


    Giving the wide spread knowledge that is available about the Trump Family
    History there would never be any reason for him to be apart of such an organization. That's just for starters.
    And yet, he was arrested at one of their events.

    and he was released, arrests in those days were not like today more like
    chaos, specially when it came to a large group of people.

    LL> www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2017-08-15

    lol the rachel maddow. on pmsnbc. The first three letters of her last nam
    is mad. I wouldn't believe anything coming out of her mouth or anyone fr that network, their as fake as CNN, and cut from the very same cloth.

    But is it true? That is the question. And based on the evidence,
    it does appear to be so. However, none of this is absolute proof that Fred Trump was an actual member of the KKK. That is only speculation
    and conjecture.

    There is no speculation, this is what shoes like this do, you have to know in advance of their intentions to sway you, they are drivin by hate, and will
    say to do anything, to fit these puzzle pieces into place they have no
    business being placed. It's the very edge of insanity.

    These pansy ass would be officers were trained the boy with an AR-15 is no It doesn't take much talent (if any) to shoot an AR-15.
    They did not even try.
    Can't blame them.

    If it would was your kid? I am glad that it was not, but if it was would you blame them then?

    Impeached? for what?
    Collusion with Russia, obstruction of justice, whatever else
    Mueller comes up with ...

    There has been none in 19 months, and still nothing against the President.
    But the case against the Democrats is growing larger by the day.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Mar 1 20:18:40 2018
    Hello Gregory!

    27 Feb 18 21:54, Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso:


    Who said anything about being forced to own one?

    Ever heard of "peer-group pressure"?

    People also suffer when they take away guns too, just as history has shown.

    [...]

    Say, you don't really believe what you put up here, right?

    * Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
    leaving a
    populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS.
    Hundreds of
    thousands died as a result.

    I'll pick up just this one for obvious reasons:

    1. There was no lack of guns in wartime Germany, certainly not. They were available to pretty much everyone.
    2. A minority of the population is never able to defend themselves against an organised military or police force, no matter how many guns they might own. Rambo-I had some remarkable pictures, but it was a movie. You should not extrapolate the story to what might be possible in reality.

    * Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
    of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.

    Your claims lack proof, you're just putting up numbers.
    BTW: the only country in the world with a basic right to own guns by constitution apart from the USA is Jemen... does that tell you something? Does it help the people of Jemen in any way now when war is raging through their country for years? Did it help the people of the US during the civil war? Does it help them now?
    The plain answer is NO: the ubiquity and ever-rising number of guns in the USA is obviously leading to more violence and more fear, leading to yet more people
    wanting more guns to "protect themselves". How bizarre. And how sad.

    Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults went up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies went up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)

    --- <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia#Measuring_the_effects_of_ firearms_laws_in_Australia>

    Measuring the effects of firearms laws in Australia

    Between 1991 and 2001, the number of firearm-related deaths in Australia declined by 47%. Suicides committed with firearms accounted for 77 per cent of these deaths, followed by firearms homicide (15%), firearms accidents (5%), firearms deaths resulting from legal intervention and undetermined deaths (2%). The number of firearms suicides was in decline consistently from 1991 to 1998, two years after the introduction of firearm regulation.

    [...]

    Many studies have followed, providing varying results stemming from different methodologies and areas of focus. David Hemenway and Mary Vriniotis of Harvard University, funded by the Joyce Foundation summarized the research in 2011 and concluded; "it would have been difficult to imagine more compelling future evidence of a beneficial effect." They said that a complication in evaluating the effect
  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Mar 1 20:58:02 2018
    Hello Lee!

    28 Feb 18 21:49, Lee Lofaso wrote to Robert Bashe:


    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    Nope, I don't. Why should I?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Gerrit Kuehn on Fri Mar 2 07:41:20 2018
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Gregory Deyss on Thursday March 01 2018 at 20:18:

    Who said anything about being forced to own one?

    Ever heard of "peer-group pressure"?

    The interesting thing is that even my cousin in New Mexico has considered acquiring a gun - he, who has never fired a gun in his life. The environment is
    a powerful driver for this sort of thing.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Robert Bashe on Fri Mar 2 20:03:21 2018
    On 1/03/2018 6:52 PM, Robert Bashe -> David Drummond wrote:

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    I don't - but then again I do not live in the USofA.

    Nor, apparently, in a metropolitan area. It's also common for people to not lock doors in the country in any nation, not only in Australia.

    Correct - I live 30 something km from the neatest town.

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Fri Mar 2 11:18:40 2018

    Nor, apparently, in a metropolitan area. It's also common for people DD>RB> to not lock doors in the country in any nation, not only in Australia.

    Our doors qren't locked either.

    Correct - I live 30 something km from the neatest town.

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    Tastes just like chicken.

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to David Drummond on Fri Mar 2 12:20:56 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday March 02 2018 at 20:03:

    Do you lock your doors at night? Most folks in the US do.

    I don't - but then again I do not live in the USofA.

    Nor, apparently, in a metropolitan area. It's also common for people
    to not lock doors in the country in any nation, not only in
    Australia.

    Correct - I live 30 something km from the neatest town.

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    ;-) Depends on the dog. Some jump up and lick the hand of a stranger.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Gerrit Kuehn on Fri Mar 2 07:26:34 2018
    On 03/01/18, Gerrit Kuehn said the following...

    Hello Gregory!

    27 Feb 18 21:54, Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso:


    Who said anything about being forced to own one?

    Ever heard of "peer-group pressure"?

    People also suffer when they take away guns too, just as history has shown.

    [...]

    Say, you don't really believe what you put up here, right?

    * Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, leaving a
    populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of
    thousands died as a result.

    I'll pick up just this one for obvious reasons:

    1. There was no lack of guns in wartime Germany, certainly not. They were available to pretty much everyone.
    2. A minority of the population is never able to defend themselves
    against an organised military or police force, no matter how many guns they might own. Rambo-I had some remarkable pictures, but it was a
    movie. You should not extrapolate the story to what might be possible in reality.

    In the early days of America, the citizens here did exactly that, they beat the British - in a time they where as they were considered to be the worlds elite.

    * Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
    of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.

    Your claims lack proof

    It's a matter of historical reference and the aftermath of what happens when guns are taken away on one side.

    During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
    most Americans were ARMED.

    You certainly can proof this wild claim?

    What about his quote "There is a gun, behind every blade of grass."

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Robert Bashe on Fri Mar 2 19:51:02 2018
    Hello Robert!

    02 Mar 18 07:41, Robert Bashe wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Who said anything about being forced to own one?

    Ever heard of "peer-group pressure"?

    The interesting thing is that even my cousin in New Mexico has
    considered acquiring a gun - he, who has never fired a gun in his
    life. The environment is a powerful driver for this sort of thing.

    See? In control theory we call this "positive feedback". I wonder if there is some point of stability in that direction where it might end up and rest... or if it will just explode in some kind of resonance disaster.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ward Dossche on Sat Mar 3 08:14:40 2018
    On 2/03/2018 11:18 AM, Ward Dossche -> David Drummond wrote:

    Our doors aren't locked either.

    I've seen photos of you - I wouldn't be entering uninvited either.

    Correct - I live 30 something km from the neatest town.

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    Tastes just like chicken.

    When cooked by what method?

    Not sure I'm interested in biting this dog - she has BIG teeth.

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    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Robert Bashe on Sat Mar 3 08:16:10 2018
    On 2/03/2018 9:20 PM, Robert Bashe -> David Drummond wrote:

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    ;-) Depends on the dog. Some jump up and lick the hand of a stranger.

    Unless formally introduced she is inclined to tell people "you're too f*cking close!" in a rather authoritative tone.


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    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Mar 3 08:17:32 2018
    On 2/03/2018 10:26 PM, Gregory Deyss -> Gerrit Kuehn wrote:

    they might own. Rambo-I had some remarkable pictures, but it was a
    movie. You should not extrapolate the story to what might be possible in
    reality.

    In the early days of America, the citizens here did exactly that, they
    beat the
    British - in a time they where as they were considered to be the worlds
    elite.

    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Fri Mar 2 21:36:16 2018

    On 2018 Mar 03 08:14:40, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    Tastes just like chicken.

    When cooked by what method?

    Not sure I'm interested in biting this dog - she has BIG teeth.

    just take a leg... she's got three others...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Fri Mar 2 21:37:08 2018

    On 2018 Mar 03 08:16:10, you wrote to Robert Bashe:

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    ;-) Depends on the dog. Some jump up and lick the hand of a stranger.

    Unless formally introduced she is inclined to tell people "you're too f*cking close!" in a rather authoritative tone.

    you have a talking dog? WTF are you doing hanging out here?? :)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to David Drummond on Fri Mar 2 20:35:26 2018
    On 03/03/18, David Drummond said the following...


    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done.
    They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your words.
    You have such a elegant way with words.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Sat Mar 3 09:48:29 2018

    Our doors aren't locked either.

    I've seen photos of you - I wouldn't be entering uninvited either.

    People do it all the time and survive.

    Now that one burglar will not do it gain. This was fun.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Robert Bashe on Sat Mar 3 10:37:16 2018
    Hello Robert!

    02 Mar 18 12:20, Robert Bashe wrote to David Drummond:


    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    ;-) Depends on the dog. Some jump up and lick the hand of a stranger.

    In case of a 50kg fellow (and given a few yards of inrun) this might also mean that the casual stranger is just toppled over by canine delight. :)


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Mar 4 11:21:42 2018
    On 3/03/2018 11:35 AM, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:
    On 03/03/18, David Drummond said the following...


    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done.
    They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your words.
    You have such a elegant way with words.

    I've been exposed to a lot of US media.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to mark lewis on Sun Mar 4 11:22:51 2018
    On 3/03/2018 12:37 PM, mark lewis -> David Drummond wrote:

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    ;-) Depends on the dog. Some jump up and lick the hand of a stranger.

    Unless formally introduced she is inclined to tell people "you're too
    f*cking close!" in a rather authoritative tone.

    you have a talking dog?

    Of course - she speaks fluent Bull mastiff.

    WTF are you doing hanging out here?? :)

    Her typing sucks.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sun Mar 4 11:23:44 2018
    On 3/03/2018 7:37 PM, Gerrit Kuehn -> Robert Bashe wrote:

    Having a 50 kg dog living here may make me a little blas.

    ;-) Depends on the dog. Some jump up and lick the hand of a stranger.

    In case of a 50kg fellow (and given a few yards of inrun) this might
    also mean that the casual stranger is just toppled over by canine
    delight. :)

    There is that issue. I weigh more than 50kg but she can push me around.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Sun Mar 4 08:10:32 2018

    you have a talking dog?

    Of course - she speaks fluent Bull mastiff.

    mark will love the 'bull' part. 8-)

    \%/@rd

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to David Drummond on Sun Mar 4 09:18:02 2018
    Hello David!

    04 Mar 18 11:23, David Drummond wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:


    There is that issue. I weigh more than 50kg but she can push me
    around.

    I know this kind... ;)


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to David Drummond on Sun Mar 4 09:03:36 2018
    On 03/04/18, David Drummond said the following...

    On 3/03/2018 11:35 AM, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:
    On 03/03/18, David Drummond said the following...

    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done. They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your words. You have such a elegant way with words.

    I've been exposed to a lot of US media.

    I think your using the US media as a excuse.

    These ragheads used to know the actions of the American military, because it was all over the so called news. This is no longer the case because the
    United States Government no longer broadcasts or leaks to the media of the intentions of it's military. This is called American leadership.

    . ______
    _()_||__||
    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Mar 5 11:59:35 2018
    On 5/03/2018 12:03 AM, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:


    You have such a elegant way with words.

    I've been exposed to a lot of US media.

    I think your using the US media as a excuse.

    "Americanisation of the world" has affected those of us outside of the USofA in
    many ways.

    "Figures of speech" is just one of those ways.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Mar 5 22:27:12 2018
    On 03/03/18, David Drummond said the following...


    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done.
    They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your words.
    You have such a elegant way with words.


    You have to read their messages in perspective; they are most
    all rooting for the rag heads over the US.
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to TIM RICHARDSON on Tue Mar 6 17:52:17 2018
    On 6/03/2018 1:27 PM, TIM RICHARDSON -> GREGORY DEYSS wrote:

    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done.
    They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your words.
    You have such a elegant way with words.


    You have to read their messages in perspective; they are most
    all rooting for the rag heads over the US.

    That can happen when one invades sovereign nations. You don't have the "hearts and minds" of everyone.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to TIM RICHARDSON on Tue Mar 6 10:29:46 2018

    You have to read their messages in perspective; they are most
    all rooting for the rag heads over the US.

    Isn't that kinda like rooting for the Cleveland Browns.

    . ______
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    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to David Drummond on Wed Mar 7 17:33:47 2018
    On 03/06/18, David Drummond said the following...

    On 6/03/2018 1:27 PM, TIM RICHARDSON -> GREGORY DEYSS wrote:

    Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces today.

    If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done.
    They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your words.
    You have such a elegant way with words.


    You have to read their messages in perspective; they are most
    all rooting for the rag heads over the US.

    That can happen when one invades sovereign nations. You don't have the "hearts and minds" of everyone.

    This ONLY happens when you have twisted mind and a sick ideology, there is nothing that is waiting to happen that would make me look at these rag heads with any positivity.

    . ______
    _()_||__||
    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Thu Mar 8 23:46:18 2018
    Hello David,

    You have such a elegant way with words.

    I've been exposed to a lot of US media.

    I think your using the US media as a excuse.

    "Americanisation of the world" has affected those of us outside of the USofA
    in many ways.

    "Ozification of the world" has affected those of us inside
    of the USA in many ways. Thanks to Crocodile Dundee and Steve
    Irwin.

    "Figures of speech" is just one of those ways.

    G'day mate!

    --Lee

    --
    Stop Workin', Start Jerkin'

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Mar 9 02:57:12 2018
    Hello Greg,

    DD> DD>>> Just as the rag heads are doing to the US invasion forces
    today.
    DD>
    DD> >> If you are referring to isis, American might is getting the job done.
    DD> >> They are making these folks into real rag heads - using your
    words.
    DD> >> You have such a elegant way with words.
    DD>
    DD>
    DD> TR> You have to read their messages in perspective; they are most
    DD> TR> all rooting for the rag heads over the US.
    DD>
    DD> That can happen when one invades sovereign nations. You don't have
    the
    DD> "hearts and minds" of everyone.

    This ONLY happens when you have twisted mind and a sick ideology, there is
    nothing that is waiting to happen that would make me look at these rag
    heads with any positivity.

    "War is war. The only good human being is a dead one."
    ~ George Orwell, "Animal Farm" (1945)

    In his novel, Orwell is showing that communism (or any ideology)
    leads to authoritarianism, or a dictatorship.

    If "Animal Farm" is an allegory for communism, as some literary
    critics claim, then Snowball is Leon Trotsky, the former Russian
    Revolution leader who was exiled by Stalin. Both Trotsky and
    Snowball the pig were into the use of military power to further
    the revolution.

    If George Orwell were to include Trump in his novel, I wonder
    what animal he would choose to play the part?

    --Lee

    --
    Laying Pipe Since '88

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Mar 9 13:44:25 2018
    On 8/03/2018 8:33 AM, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

    That can happen when one invades sovereign nations. You don't have the
    "hearts and minds" of everyone.

    This ONLY happens when you have twisted mind and a sick ideology, there is nothing that is waiting to happen that would make me look at these rag heads with any positivity.

    That's right, you have a twisted ideology - you think that the USA can just walk into any country and impose its will on them.

    USA's time will soon come when someone pushes back strongly. USA is no longer the world's super power.


    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Mar 9 13:45:48 2018
    On 9/03/2018 7:46 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    I think your using the US media as a excuse.

    "Americanisation of the world" has affected those of us outside of the
    USofA in many ways.

    "Ozification of the world" has affected those of us inside
    of the USA in many ways. Thanks to Crocodile Dundee and Steve
    Irwin.

    "Figures of speech" is just one of those ways.

    G'day mate!

    People actually say "g'day mate" to each other in USA?

    I am a little sceptical about that claim ...

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Mar 9 13:47:27 2018
    On 9/03/2018 10:57 AM, Lee Lofaso -> Gregory Deyss wrote:

    That can happen when one invades sovereign nations. You don't have the
    "hearts and minds" of everyone.

    This ONLY happens when you have twisted mind and a sick ideology, there is
    nothing that is waiting to happen that would make me look at these rag
    heads with any positivity.

    "War is war. The only good human being is a dead one."
    ~ George Orwell, "Animal Farm" (1945)

    There may soon be many "good" US humans ...

    In his novel, Orwell is showing that communism (or any ideology)
    leads to authoritarianism, or a dictatorship.

    If "Animal Farm" is an allegory for communism, as some literary
    critics claim, then Snowball is Leon Trotsky, the former Russian Revolution leader who was exiled by Stalin. Both Trotsky and
    Snowball the pig were into the use of military power to further
    the revolution.

    If George Orwell were to include Trump in his novel, I wonder
    what animal he would choose to play the part?

    A baboon perhaps?


    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Joacim Melin@2:201/120 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Mar 9 07:49:57 2018
    Hello Greg,

    JM>
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-h >> JM> and-grenades.html
    JM>
    JM> So yes: this happens. Not often, but shit like this actually happens. >> JM> What makes it so noticeable is that in a country like Sweden we're >> not
    JM> used like it compared to, say, Trump Inc... sorry, the United States >> of
    JM> America.

    There is no joy that I get when I hear or read reports that even a sliver of >>Sweden has these cockroaches known as radical jihadi's creating havoc in >> some
    of your larger cities, even a little bit is far too much. The real question >>is what are they doing in your country, why are they creating havoc in any >>
    city within Sweden?

    It is easier to get into Sweden than other places. And some cities
    in Sweden are more hospitable than others. As such, nobody can blame jihadists for choosing where to go.

    These jihads will be a problem until the people of Sweden decide that they >>have had enough, thus ending these occasional flair ups of crime and the >>harassment of your people, ends when these people are either eliminated or >>exterminated from your country.

    Clearly, you do not understand how jihadists work. Islam is a
    religion
    of peace. "Convert of die!" is the jihadist motto, as taught to them
    by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) himself. Once everybody in the world
    has been converted, nobody will die. See how that works? Islam
    truly
    is the religion of peace, just as jihadists claim!

    "If you got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Mar 9 11:08:18 2018
    On 03/09/18, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    "War is war. The only good human being is a dead one."
    ~ George Orwell, "Animal Farm" (1945)

    Death, destruction, disease, horror. That's what war is all about, Anan.
    That's what makes a thing to being avoided.

    If "Animal Farm" is an allegory for communism, as some literary
    critics claim, then Snowball is Leon Trotsky, the former Russian Revolution leader who was exiled by Stalin. Both Trotsky and
    Snowball the pig were into the use of military power to further
    the revolution.

    All of these Russian generalities and history lessons and analyzing the communist mind and then somehow attempting to make it fit into todays
    time. Why ?

    About we stop caring about or worrying about communism which is something
    that can happen here as it is the direct opposite of Capitalism.
    Then again I suppose this truth is not believed by everyone, especially by those who have a weak view of the Republic.

    Here is a thought how about we stop caring about the what the Russians say or do. Then we can return to continue to strengthen our Nation by determination and grit the way we used to do.

    . ______
    _()_||__||
    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to David Drummond on Fri Mar 9 11:54:28 2018
    On 03/09/18, David Drummond said the following...

    USA's time will soon come when someone pushes back strongly. USA is no longer the world's super power.

    Clearly, the USA is not the only worlds super power, but thanks for the vote of confidence.

    The world is a far better place because USA has acted.
    Never ever doubt American Resolve. You will lose. My nation along with it's allies defeated Nazi, Germany, I wouldn't not call them no small potatoes.

    Your small words do not intimidate me. I live in the United States of America and I sleep quite soundly in the knowledge my nation is protecting it's citizens from sea to shinning sea.

    but if what you say is true and there is some mad fool out there with balls
    as big as grapefruit. Bye Felicia.

    . ______
    _()_||__||
    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Mar 10 12:21:38 2018
    On 10/03/2018 2:54 AM, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

    USA's time will soon come when someone pushes back strongly. USA is no
    longer the world's super power.

    Clearly, the USA is not the only worlds super power, but thanks for the vote of confidence.

    I have no confidence at all in USA - it WILL fall soon. The country is virtually bankrupt, and seriously over extended militarily.

    The world is a far better place because USA has acted.

    Indeed, Afghanistan is now a stable country, Iraq is a stable country, Libya is
    a stable country etc. etc. IF the USA stayed on US soil none of these fuck-ups would have occurred.

    Never ever doubt American Resolve. You will lose.

    ROFL - USA is losing it in the world big time.

    My nation along with it's allies defeated Nazi, Germany, I wouldn't not
    call them no small potatoes.

    Russia "liberated Berlin, not USA. You should check the history books, not US propaganda.

    Your small words do not intimidate me.

    I have no intent nor need to intimidate you. I do wish however you would open your eyes and see the fuck-up USA has made/is making of the world.

    I live in the United States of America and I sleep quite soundly in the
    knowledge my nation is protecting it's
    citizens from sea to shinning sea.

    All the while it is oppressing other people. And you can sleep with that?

    IF most USAsians are like you no wonder your country is the most hated nation in the world today.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to David Drummond on Sat Mar 10 08:36:47 2018
    On 03/10/18, David Drummond said the following...

    I have no confidence at all in USA - it WILL fall soon. The country is virtually bankrupt, and seriously over extended militarily.

    rrrrright..? With a Billionaire as President, yeah what your suggesting does not have any chance in happening, you are delusional and need to medicated.

    The world is a far better place because USA has acted.

    Indeed, Afghanistan is now a stable country, Iraq is a stable country, Libya is a stable country etc. etc. IF the USA stayed on US soil none of these fuck-ups would have occurred.

    Let Tyrants? abuse and mistreat their own people, maybe way down there in the down under you have not heard what absolute power does. The USA has been and is and will continue to be a beacon of hope for many millions of people
    throughout the world.

    DD> DD> GD> Never ever doubt American Resolve. You will lose. DD>
    USA is losing it in the world big time.

    I am sure you would love to believe that, it matters not, for it is a lie.
    You may tell yourself this over and over again but it's journey gains no distance for it has no legs to walk, no arms to crawl, your hate is motionless just sitting and rotting in place.

    My nation along with it's allies defeated Nazi, Germany, I wouldn't
    call them no small potatoes.

    Russia "liberated Berlin, not USA. You should check the history books,
    not US propaganda.

    It wasn't ruskies on the Shores of Normandy.
    There is nothing wrong with my history books, the Soviets were allies in WWII. along with the Great Britain, United States, France and China too.

    I live in the United States of America and I sleep quite soundly in t
    knowledge my nation is protecting it's
    citizens from sea to shinning sea.

    All the while it is oppressing other people. And you can sleep with that?

    "oppressed other people", and then asking me how I can sleep at now, that's quite theatrical of you.

    name them.

    IF most USAsians are like you no wonder your country is the most hated nation in the world today.

    The United States is the worlds largest donor of foreign aid.

    . ______
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    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Mar 10 17:44:58 2018
    Gregory Deyss wrote to David Drummond on Saturday March 10 2018 at 08:36:

    Russia "liberated Berlin, not USA. You should check the history
    books, not US propaganda.

    It wasn't ruskies on the Shores of Normandy.

    I'm sure we can argue who "really" won WWII for the rest of the century, but the fact is that Germany was attacked from east _and_ west simultaneously, and could not defend against both at once. This was the "two front" war that finished Napoleon, and was also feared by Hitler. But he underestimated the Americans and particularly their base in England, which was his undoing.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Mar 10 19:15:29 2018
    Hello Greg,

    USA's time will soon come when someone pushes back strongly. USA is no >DD>longer the world's super power.

    Clearly, the USA is not the only worlds super power, but thanks for the vote
    of confidence.

    What other "super power" is there? North Korea is the only country
    that dares defy us, or rather the dimwitted leader of that country.

    The world is a far better place because USA has acted.

    The USA saved Europe from itself. Twice in the last century.
    And the USA would do it again. And again. And again. As many
    times as necessary.

    Never ever doubt American Resolve. You will lose.

    Lots of countries have won by losing. Germany, Italy, Japan, etc.

    My nation along with it's allies defeated Nazi, Germany,

    Europeans couldn't do it themselves. Not the first time, nor
    the second. Maybe they can get it right the third time, but it
    would be far better if they all kept their guns to themselves.

    I wouldn't not call them no small potatoes.

    The Irish would give anything for potatoes of any size ...

    Your small words do not intimidate me. I live in the United States of
    America and I sleep quite soundly in the knowledge my nation is protecting it's citizens from sea to shinning sea.

    George W. Bush lost a city (New Orleans).
    Donald J. Trump lost an island (Puerto Rico).
    Let's hope the next one does not lose ...

    but if what you say is true and there is some mad fool out there with balls
    as big as grapefruit. Bye Felicia.

    Hillary Clinton has no balls. Neither does Elizabeth Warren.
    Or any other strong woman of note.

    --Lee

    --
    Pork. The One You Love.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Robert Bashe on Sat Mar 10 18:13:59 2018
    It wasn't ruskies on the Shores of Normandy.

    I'm sure we can argue who "really" won WWII for the rest of the century, but the fact is that Germany was attacked from east _and_ west simultaneously, and could not defend against both at once.

    Not even that.

    Nazi Germany had already lost the Battle of Britain in the air Oct.31 1940. Nearly 4 yrs prior to D-Day.

    At sea they lost 3 heavy units on their first sortie ... Graf Spee, Blucher and
    Bismarck ... that's 1/3 of the naval fire power gone. As far as surface units, they were already done May 27 1941.

    And the Battle of Stalingrad ended 16 months prior to D-Day, after that on the eastern front the Nazis were already on the run (I do not prefer to call them Germans, as we have Germans in this conference).

    In the European theatre, any military tactician will agree the first error (for
    whatever reason) the Nazis committed was by not wiping out the British and French expeditionary forces at Dunkirk. Plus not sinking HMS Prince of Wales while it was a sitting duck during the battle of Greenland Strait and then finishing off HMS Suffolk and HMS Norfolk (Lutjens was an idiot).

    But yes, of course, being between these 2 fighting forces the Nazis stood no chance. I've always been amazed at how they kept it up.

    As for the war in the Pacific... that was mostly an American thing.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Mar 10 23:37:22 2018
    Hello Greg,

    "War is war. The only good human being is a dead one."
    ~ George Orwell, "Animal Farm" (1945)

    Death, destruction, disease, horror. That's what war is all about, Anan.
    That's what makes a thing to being avoided.

    And yet, sometimes war cannot be avoided.

    If "Animal Farm" is an allegory for communism, as some literary
    critics claim, then Snowball is Leon Trotsky, the former Russian >LL>Revolution leader who was exiled by Stalin. Both Trotsky and
    Snowball the pig were into the use of military power to further
    the revolution.

    All of these Russian generalities and history lessons and analyzing the >communist mind and then somehow attempting to make it fit into todays
    time. Why ?

    True communism only exists on paper, as a theory. Not in actual
    practice. What the world has had is something far different -
    Bolshevism, Trotskyism, Maoism, etc. All different flavors of
    feudalism, updated for modern times. What we call capitalism is
    also another flavor of feudalism. How economies are controlled
    is another matter, but related.

    Democracies (rule by the people) are chaotic by definition.
    Dictatorships (rule by despots) are much more orderly, but can
    only be maintained by the use/threat of force.

    Donald Trump presents himself as being a "law and order" type
    of guy. Very much in favor of using military force to get his
    way. Much like despots have done, in times past. That does
    not make him a despot, but does show his despotic tendencies.

    About we stop caring about or worrying about communism which is something
    that can happen here as it is the direct opposite of Capitalism.

    The Cold War (1947-1989) is over. Communism is dead, and has
    been for quite some time. Only four countries (China, Vietnam,
    Laos, and Cuba) have economies and political structures that
    resemble what is "communist".

    However, that does not mean democracies is free of enemies or
    adversaries. For example, Russia has tried to undermine our
    democracy in various ways during the presidential election in
    2016. Although the Russian president has denied it, the facts
    speak for themselves. And those facts speak volumes.

    When journalists and reporters have challenged President Putin
    with facts concerning this activity, he has been unable to give
    a satisfactory answer. No amount of charm will get rid of those
    questions. If Putin wants those questions to go away, he has to
    come clean. Otherwise, he and his government will always be
    suspect.

    Then again I suppose this truth is not believed by everyone, especially by
    those who have a weak view of the Republic.

    When confronted with facts, no matter how much one might try
    to deny the obvious, those facts will always remain.

    Here is a thought how about we stop caring about the what the Russians say
    or do.

    As Americans, we have a duty and an obligation to defend our country.
    And our president took an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    This oath is to protect us from all enemies, both foreign and
    domestic. Anything less would be treason.

    Then we can return to continue to strengthen our Nation by determination and
    grit the way we used to do.

    The president needs to do his part, and tell his best friend
    Vladimir Putin to fuck off.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Sat Mar 10 23:37:28 2018
    Hello David,

    GD>>> I think your using the US media as a excuse.

    >> "Americanisation of the world" has affected those of us outside of the
    >> USofA in many ways.

    LL> "Ozification of the world" has affected those of us inside
    LL> of the USA in many ways. Thanks to Crocodile Dundee and Steve
    LL> Irwin.

    >> "Figures of speech" is just one of those ways.

    LL> G'day mate!

    People actually say "g'day mate" to each other in USA?

    Only at the Epcot Center at Disneyworld.

    I am a little sceptical about that claim ...

    You never met Mickey Mouse?

    --Lee

    --
    It Ain't Payday If It Ain't Nuts In Your Mouth

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Sat Mar 10 23:37:34 2018
    Hello David,

    DD>>> That can happen when one invades sovereign nations. You don't have the
    DD>>> "hearts and minds" of everyone.

    >> This ONLY happens when you have twisted mind and a sick ideology,
    there is
    >> nothing that is waiting to happen that would make me look at these rag
    >> heads with any positivity.

    LL> "War is war. The only good human being is a dead one."
    LL> ~ George Orwell, "Animal Farm" (1945)

    There may soon be many "good" US humans ...

    I sure am glad I'm Sicilian ...

    LL> In his novel, Orwell is showing that communism (or any ideology)
    LL> leads to authoritarianism, or a dictatorship.

    LL> If "Animal Farm" is an allegory for communism, as some literary
    LL> critics claim, then Snowball is Leon Trotsky, the former Russian
    LL> Revolution leader who was exiled by Stalin. Both Trotsky and
    LL> Snowball the pig were into the use of military power to further
    LL> the revolution.

    LL> If George Orwell were to include Trump in his novel, I wonder
    LL> what animal he would choose to play the part?

    A baboon perhaps?

    That's better than an orangatun ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Sat Mar 10 23:38:02 2018
    Hello David,

    [..]

    Your small words do not intimidate me.

    I have no intent nor need to intimidate you. I do wish however you would
    open your eyes and see the fuck-up USA has made/is making of the world.

    Had it not been for the USA, the Nazis would have won WWII and
    everybody in the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.
    Is that a world you would want to live in?

    I live in the United States of America and I sleep quite soundly GD>in
    the knowledge my nation is protecting it's citizens from sea GD>to shinning sea.

    All the while it is oppressing other people.

    Who is oppressed? Seems to me that everybody in the world
    wants to come here, with very few Americans wanting to leave
    for anywhere else.

    And you can sleep with that?

    Quite soundly.

    IF most USAsians are like you no wonder your country is the most hated
    nation in the world today.

    Americans visit other countries, all the time. And when it comes
    time to leave, the locals tell Americans "Go home, and take us with
    you!"

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Sat Mar 10 23:38:07 2018
    Hello David,

    USA's time will soon come when someone pushes back strongly. USA is no >DD>>longer the world's super power.

    Clearly, the USA is not the only worlds super power, but thanks for the >GD>vote of confidence.

    I have no confidence at all in USA - it WILL fall soon. The country is
    virtually bankrupt, and seriously over extended militarily.

    While you are correct that the USA will fall soon, it will not be
    due to the cause(s) you attribute it to. What you and others fail
    to realize, and I have tried to warn you about this for quite some
    time, is the Nemesis-Nibiru system wrecking havoc.

    When Nemesis (a brown dwarf star) reaches perihelion, then Nibiru
    (the seven planets orbiting Nirbiru, known as Planet X) will be
    closest to Earth. And then scores of asteroids/meteorites that
    have been swept towards the Earth (thanks to the gravitational
    pull o Nemesis) will come slamming into the Americas, mostly the
    USA.

    This has all been foretold in the Book of Revelation. I can cite
    if for you, chapter and verse, at your request.

    Although I cannot tell you an exact date, it appears this event
    will take place about a year from now. Let's say next spring.

    And then I will have to take my pirogue out of storage and make
    my way to Australia. Assuming I survive the fire and brimstone
    brought down upon me.

    The world is a far better place because USA has acted.

    Indeed, Afghanistan is now a stable country, Iraq is a stable country, Libya
    is a stable country etc. etc. IF the USA stayed on US soil none of these fuck-ups would have occurred.

    The world would be a better place with Saddam Hussein, Moammar
    Qadaffi, and Osama bin Laden?

    Never ever doubt American Resolve. You will lose.

    ROFL - USA is losing it in the world big time.

    A porn star named Stormy beat Donald Trump at his own game.
    But you are no porn star. Or maybe you are, but do private
    showings rather than films for public display.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Robert Bashe on Sat Mar 10 23:38:20 2018
    Hello Bob,

    Russia "liberated Berlin, not USA. You should check the history >DD>>books, not US propaganda.

    It wasn't ruskies on the Shores of Normandy.

    I'm sure we can argue who "really" won WWII for the rest of the century, but
    the fact is that Germany was attacked from east _and_ west simultaneously, and could not defend against both at once. This was the "two front" war
    that finished Napoleon, and was also feared by Hitler. But he
    underestimated the Americans and particularly their base in England, which was his undoing.

    A small correction - Germany was fighting a war on *three* fronts.
    The third was within Germany itself.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 11 04:46:40 2018
    Hello Ward,

    [..]

    And the Battle of Stalingrad ended 16 months prior to D-Day, after that on
    the eastern front the Nazis were already on the run

    The Siege of Stalingrad certainly was a turning point in the war.
    Especially for the Russians, who likely would have lost otherwise.
    After Stalingrad, the Russians won three out of four battles with
    the Germans, thanks to allied support.

    (I do not prefer to call them Germans, as we have Germans in this
    conference).

    During that time period, most Germans were Nazis. They were
    patriotic Germans, as are Americans who call themselves Republicans.
    Or those who call themselves Democrats. Or some other party.
    Germans were not stupid people then, or now. They truly believed
    in Hitler, as many Americans believe in Trump. Does that make
    them evil, or something less than human?

    Godwin's Law does not apply here. Nor does it apply anywhere
    else. Adolf Hitler was a dictator. So was Mao Tse Tung. And
    Fidel Castro. And Idi Amin. And Pol Pot. And many others.
    That is something that Mike Godwin, and others like him, fail
    to understand.

    Germans are a fine people. Always have been. Calling them
    Nazis is denigrating. Just as calling Russians communists would
    be.

    Yes, the US demonized Adolf Hitler. The US also demonized
    Saddam Hussein, and a whole lot of other folks it did not like
    or approve of. But does that mean an entire people is (or was)
    evil? Kind of silly, don't you think?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 11 04:46:47 2018
    Hello Ward,

    [..]

    As for the war in the Pacific... that was mostly an American thing.

    Everybody likes to forget the Russians taking out the Japanese
    in Manchuria ... just before US President Harry S Truman did his
    thing to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Mar 11 09:44:22 2018

    Germans are a fine people. Always have been. Calling them
    Nazis is denigrating. Just as calling Russians communists would
    be.

    That's wha we call "pulling a Witt on someone".

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Mar 11 09:45:03 2018

    As for the war in the Pacific... that was mostly an American thing.

    Everybody likes to forget the Russians taking out the Japanese
    in Manchuria ... just before US President Harry S Truman did his
    thing to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    A drop on a hot plate.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 11 12:28:54 2018
    Ward Dossche wrote to Robert Bashe on Saturday March 10 2018 at 18:13:

    I'm sure we can argue who "really" won WWII for the rest of the
    century, but the fact is that Germany was attacked from east _and_
    west simultaneously, and could not defend against both at once.

    Not even that.

    But you go on to confirm that.

    Nazi Germany had already lost the Battle of Britain in the air Oct.31
    1940. Nearly 4 yrs prior to D-Day.

    Which was one of the main turning points of the war. The UK was a wonderful staging area for any attack on the western front, like a gigantic aircraft carrier that couldn't be sunk. If Hitler had invaded - and won - the war could have essentially been over at that point.

    And of course, the major strategic blunder of Stalingrad was the other major turning point, allowing the Soviets to take the initiative on the eastern front. If the Germans had regrouped and retreated before being boxed in, they might have had a decent chance - but Hitler was determined that they should stand and die rather than retreat. Only one of his catastrophic miscalculations.

    Both of these combined spelled the end of Nazi domination of Germany.

    And the Battle of Stalingrad ended 16 months prior to D-Day, after
    that on the eastern front the Nazis were already on the run (I do not prefer to call them Germans, as we have Germans in this conference).

    ;-) Very sensitive of you, but present-day Germans also know their grandparents
    - who often enough were party members - lost the war. They often refer to "Nazis" here, but "Germans" is also accepted in an historical context. What one
    has to remember is that "Nazi" stood for "National Socialist", with the accent on "national". Until around 1943, I would guess most Germans were largely in agreement with Hitler's policies. It was only after the misfortunes of war and the allied bombings that the public sentiment began to change - even though it was suppressed, often brutally, by Gestapo and SS.

    But yes, of course, being between these 2 fighting forces the Nazis
    stood no chance. I've always been amazed at how they kept it up.

    Hitler's scorched earth policy and the fanatisism of the times, with hardboiled
    Nazis thinking about what awaited them after a lost war - always thinking about
    Versailles and dreading the future. Who in his right mind would not fight to the end to avoid another Versailles?

    As for the war in the Pacific... that was mostly an American thing.

    Don't discount the Australians and New Zealanders, to say nothing of the British. They also did a good job, even without the atom bomb.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Mar 11 12:44:36 2018
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Robert Bashe on Saturday March 10 2018 at 23:38:

    I'm sure we can argue who "really" won WWII for the rest of the
    century, but the fact is that Germany was attacked from east _and_
    west simultaneously, and could not defend against both at once. This
    was the "two front" war that finished Napoleon, and was also feared
    by Hitler. But he underestimated the Americans and particularly their
    base in England, which was his undoing.

    A small correction - Germany was fighting a war on *three* fronts. The third was within Germany itself.

    That is correct, as there was some resistance even within Germany starting around 1943. However, it never achieved the importance of the external enemies.

    I often think about the attempt on Hitler's life by Stauffenberg and others, and think: "too little, too late". If Stauffenberg had stayed in the meeting room and made sure the bomb was right in front of Hitler, he might have succeeded. But he left, and only saved his own life by a few hours. And Hitler survived.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 11 19:31:55 2018
    Hello Ward,

    Germans are a fine people. Always have been. Calling them
    Nazis is denigrating. Just as calling Russians communists would
    be.

    That's wha we call "pulling a Witt on someone".

    Taking out Ouija board, channeling Roy Witt -

    Under paragraph 185 of the German penal code, slander is
    a criminal offense, meaning it is illegal to call a German
    a Nazi. However, there are no such laws prohibiting freedom
    of speech for Russians, who are free to call anybody they
    want a Communist.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 11 19:32:01 2018
    Hello Ward,

    As for the war in the Pacific... that was mostly an American thing.

    Everybody likes to forget the Russians taking out the Japanese
    in Manchuria ... just before US President Harry S Truman did his
    thing to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    A drop on a hot plate.

    I'll let Alexander K. set you straight on that one.

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 12 07:00:39 2018
    On 11/03/2018 7:37 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    "Figures of speech" is just one of those ways.

    G'day mate!

    People actually say "g'day mate" to each other in USA?

    Only at the Epcot Center at Disneyworld.

    Then the world has hardly been "Ozified".

    I am a little sceptical about that claim ...

    You never met Mickey Mouse?

    That is correct - I have never been to a Disney venue nor met this character anywhere else.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 12 07:03:41 2018
    On 11/03/2018 7:37 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    "War is war. The only good human being is a dead one."
    ~ George Orwell, "Animal Farm" (1945)

    There may soon be many "good" US humans ...

    I sure am glad I'm Sicilian ...

    But reside within the borders of USofA? You will be judged by the company you keep.
    [...]

    If George Orwell were to include Trump in his novel, I wonder
    what animal he would choose to play the part?

    A baboon perhaps?

    That's better than an orangatun ...

    I think orang-utans are smarter than baboons - and Trump.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 12 07:07:04 2018
    On 11/03/2018 7:38 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    Your small words do not intimidate me.

    I have no intent nor need to intimidate you. I do wish however you would
    open your eyes and see the fuck-up USA has made/is making of the world.

    Had it not been for the USA, the Nazis would have won WWII and

    Keep telling yourself that - it doesn't make it true.

    everybody in the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

    Would those languages be any worse than the "English" we speak now?

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 12 07:13:02 2018
    On 12/03/2018 3:31 AM, Lee Lofaso -> Ward Dossche wrote:

    Germans are a fine people. Always have been. Calling them
    Nazis is denigrating. Just as calling Russians communists would
    be.

    That's wha we call "pulling a Witt on someone".

    Taking out Ouija board, channeling Roy Witt -

    Under paragraph 185 of the German penal code, slander is
    a criminal offense, meaning it is illegal to call a German
    a Nazi. However, there are no such laws prohibiting freedom
    of speech for Russians, who are free to call anybody they
    want a Communist.

    The big difference here is that to be a Nazi is regarded by all as a vile thing.

    It is only the USA and its minions that have a hang-up about communism.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to David Drummond on Sun Mar 11 22:58:16 2018
    Hello David!

    12 Mar 18 07:03, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    That's better than an orangatun ...

    I think orang-utans are smarter than baboons - and Trump.

    The only animal that is recognize a human by his name.

    orang = man / people
    utan = jungle

    Kees

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 12 07:14:56 2018
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Ward Dossche on Sunday March 11 2018 at 19:31:

    Under paragraph 185 of the German penal code, slander is a criminal offense, meaning it is illegal to call a German a Nazi.

    Probably true, but this can be disputed in court if the person mentioned was _really_ a member of the NSDAP. But nowadays - some 70+ years after WWII - such
    cases are presumably rare. I haven't read of any in recent years.

    Calling someone a "Nazi" in present-day Germany is not rare - the target being anyone who is politically right of the so-called "middle" (which in USA terms is quite leftist) - but aside from occasional vehement denials, there are no particular consequences.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to David Drummond on Mon Mar 12 07:25:22 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso on Monday March 12 2018 at 07:07:

    everybody in the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

    Would those languages be any worse than the "English" we speak now?

    Who's "we", white man? ;-))

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to David Drummond on Mon Mar 12 07:27:14 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso on Monday March 12 2018 at 07:13:

    The big difference here is that to be a Nazi is regarded by all as a
    vile thing.

    Depends on who you're talking to.

    It is only the USA and its minions that have a hang-up about
    communism.

    Think again. Or do you consider present-day Russia a "minion" of the USA?

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 12 15:04:21 2018
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 11.03.2018 19:46

    LL>>>> As for the war in the Pacific... that was mostly an American
    LL>>>> thing.

    LL>>> Everybody likes to forget the Russians taking out the Japanese in
    LL>>> Manchuria... just before US President Harry S Truman did his
    LL>>> thing to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    WD>> A drop on a hot plate.

    LL> I'll let Alexander K. set you straight on that one.

    Well, it's from a Russian fairy tale:
    A bear had snatched a little girl from her village and made her live in
    his den. One day the girl invented how to run away. She cooked a lot of
    cakes and asked the bear to carry them to her mother. The bear agreed.
    But at the last moment the girl threw the cakes out and crawled in the
    bear's rucksack herself. The tale told us that many times the bear felt
    tired and he said, "Now I'll sit on a stump and eat a cake!" But the
    girl said to him from the rucksack, "I am sitting on the roof and I see
    you! Don't sit on a stamp, don't eat my cakes!"

    In short, I keep watch over you! ;-)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DAVID DRUMMOND on Mon Mar 12 16:15:20 2018
    On 11/03/2018 7:38 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    Your small words do not intimidate me.

    I have no intent nor need to intimidate you. I do wish however you > >>
    would open your eyes and see the fuck-up USA has made/is making of
    the world.

    Had it not been for the USA, the Nazis would have won WWII and

    Keep telling yourself that - it doesn't make it true.

    Hitler was toast on June 22, 1941. To save looking it up, that's the day
    he attacked Russia.

    everybody in the world would be speaking either German or
    Japanese.

    Would those languages be any worse than the "English" we speak now?

    If Roosevelt minor had not concentrated on Europe and left the Pacific
    theater to wait, Japan would have been defeated by the end of 1943. Of
    course Hitler would have lasted a bit longer than he did, but eventually
    he would have gone down too.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to KEES VAN EETEN on Mon Mar 12 16:18:28 2018
    Hello David!

    12 Mar 18 07:03, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    That's better than an orangatun ...

    I think orang-utans are smarter than baboons - and Trump.

    The only animal that is recognize a human by his name.

    orang = man / people
    utan = jungle

    It's not for nothing that the English collective noun describing a group of baboons is "congress.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to BOB ACKLEY on Mon Mar 12 23:49:09 2018

    It's not for nothing that the English collective noun describing a group
    of baboons is "congress.

    So what must we make of it when the expression "Congress is in session" is used?

    \%/@rd

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Robert Bashe on Tue Mar 13 16:00:39 2018
    On 12/03/2018 4:25 PM, Robert Bashe -> David Drummond wrote:
    David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso on Monday March 12 2018 at 07:07:

    everybody in the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

    Would those languages be any worse than the "English" we speak now?

    Who's "we", white man? ;-))

    "We" includes you Bob - you "write" your English.

    If you'd been brought up speaking German would it have been such an imposition?


    --

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Robert Bashe on Tue Mar 13 16:07:27 2018
    On 12/03/2018 4:27 PM, Robert Bashe -> David Drummond wrote:

    The big difference here is that to be a Nazi is regarded by all as a
    vile thing.

    Depends on who you're talking to.

    Dare you actually say that? Saying something positive about Nazis is on the same level as saying something negative about Jews - One can be castrated for it.

    It is only the USA and its minions that have a hang-up about
    communism.

    Think again. Or do you consider present-day Russia a "minion" of the USA?

    I don't consider that Russia is, nor ever really was communist.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to David Drummond on Tue Mar 13 10:46:52 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Robert Bashe on Tuesday March 13 2018 at 16:00:

    everybody in the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

    Would those languages be any worse than the "English" we speak now?

    Who's "we", white man? ;-))

    "We" includes you Bob - you "write" your English.

    I even speak it on occasion ;-)

    If you'd been brought up speaking German would it have been such an imposition?

    Probably not, as long as I knew other languages as well. But I don't think I would have been pleased living in a system with Gestapo and SS monitoring everyone. Probably would have landed in a concentration camp sooner or later.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Mar 13 10:50:34 2018
    BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAVID DRUMMOND on Monday March 12 2018 at 16:15:

    Hitler was toast on June 22, 1941. To save looking it up, that's the
    day he attacked Russia.

    Pure stupidity. He saw how a relatively small force of Finns managed to hold off an overwhelming Russian invasion and thought the Russians were a pushover. His mistake.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to David Drummond on Tue Mar 13 10:54:24 2018
    David Drummond wrote to Robert Bashe on Tuesday March 13 2018 at 16:07:

    The big difference here is that to be a Nazi is regarded by all as a DD>>> vile thing.

    Depends on who you're talking to.

    Dare you actually say that? Saying something positive about Nazis is
    on the same level as saying something negative about Jews - One can be castrated for it.

    Where? Have you never heard the saying that "Hitler built the Autobahns"? Which
    is naturally not true, but is - or has been - often cited as something positive
    about the Nazi regime. Actually, during the first few years, Germany came out of the Great Depression fairly well. It was only afterward that the slide into barbarism became apparent.

    It is only the USA and its minions that have a hang-up about
    communism.

    Think again. Or do you consider present-day Russia a "minion" of the
    USA?

    I don't consider that Russia is, nor ever really was communist.

    Probably true, if you take the dictionary defination of "communism". But then, the USSR never referred to itself as "communist". The name was "Union of Soviet
    Socialist Republics". "Socialist", not "communist". Big difference.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to WARD DOSSCHE on Tue Mar 13 11:03:16 2018
    It's not for nothing that the English collective noun describing a
    group
    of baboons is "congress.

    So what must we make of it when the expression "Congress is in session" is used?

    That they're a bunch of baboons
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