• Illegitimate Presiden

    From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to LEE LOFASO on Sun Feb 26 16:07:00 2017
    On 02-25-17, Lee Lofaso said to Tim Richardson:

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    Hello Tim,

    Just like the spin msm put on that lady who was deported and separated EK>>> from her kids, msm somehow forgot to mention she was a Convicted Felon! EK>>> Just more bullshit from the crybabies who bet on Crooked Hillary and EK>>> LOST!


    Actually the only thing she was guilty of was using a fake SS
    number.


    A crime.


    A felony, not just any crime.


    A crime is a crime.


    Not all crimes are equal.
    Misdemeanors are not felonies.


    But under Trump's new policy, if an undocumented worker
    runs a stop sign, or even gets caught jaywalking, he/she
    can be deported - even if not convicted of any felony.


    We have laws in place (and have had for over a century or more now) that
    govern immigration. Who, from where, and the circumstances under which,
    people can immigrate to America, apply for permanent residency and eventual citizenship.


    An undocumented worker is not committing a felony by being
    in this country.


    For far too long now these laws have been ignored. People (mainly democrats
    who see a steady supply of dependents who support `democrats') simply pretend not to see them, or openly thumb their nose at them.


    As a result, we now have so many illegal aliens living and working here we may never get control of the situation again.


    As such, he/she is free to return after having
    been deported.


    Firstly, instead of using the proper legal channels and procedures to come in, stay in, and live and work in this country, they snuck across the borders illegally.


    Secondly, they claim entitlement to and are given healthcare, welfare, educational benefits and other financial and public services they are not legally entitled to.


    Not to mention the huge instances of identity theft by illegal aliens, driving without licenses, insurance, using false documentation, etc etc etc.....


    Thirdly, this country has been used by Mexico as a dumping ground for their citizens whom they do not wish to care for, make economic conditions that give them a chance to live and work in their own country. The Mexican government itself is a large part of the problem.


    So, when someone comes up with some sob-sister stuff about `splitting up families'....some poor defenseless illegal alien mother being seperated from her children (who, as offspring of someone coming here illegally, are NOT citizens either), and a whole lot of other stories and tear-jerking nonsense the media, mis-guided religious leaders, and other law-ignoring sources come
    up with to lay a guilt trip on those of us wwho just want our laws enforced,
    I have to say this:


    THEY are the ones who knowingly came here illegally. which means THEY are the ones who created the personal circumstances (being seperated from offspring, etc etc) which their being FINALLY brought to face the consequences of their ilegal entry into the United States, upon themseelves.


    We finally have someone in the White House who insists on our immigrations being enforced and adhered to. We finally have someone appointing top level people who are taking long-overdue steps to enforce our immigration laws.
    There are people who don't like that. Tough! Nobody reached over the borders and grabbed any of these people and dragged them here. They came on their own.


    Those who have been covicted of a felony are not
    allowed to return after being deported.


    Back in a moment:


    Juan Francesco Lopez-Sanchez, an illegal alien from Mexico who had been
    already deported FIVE TIMES (five felonies, which under California law qualifies him as an habitual criminal subject to a life sentence irrespective of whatever federal sentence he recieves as a multiple felony convict) was arrested in San Francisco (a sancuary city) was charged with firing a stolen gun which killed Kathryn Steiinle in the back causing her death two hours later.


    Lopez-Sanchez was arrested and charged with her murder.


    His trial started a few days ago.


    And he is just one.


    So....he wasn't allowed to return five times, but each time he returned
    anyway, and a young woman died as a result.


    BTW.....before you go off on that `well...you don't *know* if he did it' crap;


    He already admitted being in possession of the gun that killed her (claimed he `found it' wrapped in a tee shirt in a trash can), also admitted firing the shot that killed her (claimed he was shooting at harbor seals and hitting her was an `acident'), knows convicted felons are legally barred from owning, possessing, and discharging a firearm, and did both `possess' and `discharge' the firearm that caused a death, in spite of those laws and restrictions.





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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to JOE DELAHAYE on Sun Feb 26 16:35:00 2017
    On 02-24-17, Joe Delahaye said to Allen Prunty:

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    Re: Re: Illegitimate President
    By: Allen Prunty to Joe Delahaye on Thu Feb 23 2017 14:16:51

    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't her IT Specialist end up dead?

    Don't know Allen. Had not heard that.

    His name was Seth Rich... many conspiracy theories are clouding this one. Some say he was the leak to wikileaks... and some say that he was shot
    and AP> killed by Hillary's order for beign a leak. Who knows... the truth JD>is out AP> there.

    I just find it inconvenient how there has been a body trail with the
    DNC... and centered around Hillary.


    I think if there was any substance to either conspiracy, the FBI would be JD>persuing it. Like you said, conspiracy theories. FBI has already stated JD>where the leak was and it was all connected in one way or another to the JD>Russian Govt.


    Except they did not cough up one single solid, verifiable piece of evidence to back up that claim.


    And until they do so, such pronouncements remain fictional.





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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 26 16:52:00 2017
    On 02-25-17, Allen Prunty said to Gregory Deyss:

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    Re: Re: Illegitimate President
    By: Gregory Deyss to Allen Prunty on Sat Feb 25 2017 08:14 am

    If your talking about Bryan Pagliano, no I do not think he is dead.

    So many have died around the Clinton's there is a actually a death list.


    WOuld love to see the URL for that one...


    (sigh!)


    Go on Internet


    Bring up Google search engine


    Type: `list of people connected to clintons who have died mysteriosly'


    click "search"


    First page hit:


    "Clinton Death List: 33 spine-tingling cases"


    "The list of Clinton associates who've died mysteriously. Check it out"


    "THE CLINTON BODY COUNT | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?"


    "90 suspicious deaths of individuals close to Bill Clinton"


    "Clinton body count-clinton friends who've ended up dead-truth"


    "4th mysterious death connected to the DNC"


    "Comprehensive Clinton Body Count"


    "How many Clinton associates have died over the years? A lot"


    "The growing list of dead people associated with the Clintons"


    And thats just the first page!





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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Tim Richardson on Sun Feb 26 21:48:42 2017
    Re: Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 26 2017 04:52 pm

    And thats just the first page!

    That's my point... which one is the difinitive one :-)

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  • From LORD NORTH@1:123/140 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Tue Feb 28 08:49:24 2017
    Re: Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 26 2017 04:52 pm

    And thats just the first page!

    That's my point... which one is the difinitive one :-)

    Rumor has it the Russians hacked the Oscars
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to LORD NORTH on Tue Feb 28 16:08:48 2017

    Re: Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 26 2017 04:52 pm

    And thats just the first page!

    That's my point... which one is the difinitive one :-)

    Rumor has it the Russians hacked the Oscars

    Hmmm ... I thought the Oscars hacked the Russians ...

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Mon Feb 27 22:33:00 2017
    On 02-26-17, Allen Prunty said to Tim Richardson:

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    Re: Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 26 2017 04:52 pm


    And thats just the first page!


    That's my point... which one is the difinitive one :-)


    In 75 years I've learned a lot of things. One thing I've learned that is
    pretty well always true, is that when there's all that much smoke around there's bound to be some fire somewhere. And with all that much smoke it shouldn't be very hard to find.


    One or two may be coincidence. Three or four is a little curious. But its a
    lot higher than just three or four. `Coincidence' isn't the word for it
    any more. Downright suspicious is more like it. If a private citizen had one death close to them, it might not be too noticed. Two might arouse a little interest. If it got to three or four there'd be an intense investigation.


    With the Clintons its up over thirty. But.....


    crickets!

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Sun Mar 5 15:16:00 2017
    Tim Richardson wrote to ALLEN PRUNTY on 02-27-17 22:33 <=-

    On 02-26-17, Allen Prunty said to Tim Richardson:

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    Re: Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 26 2017 04:52 pm


    And thats just the first page!


    That's my point... which one is the difinitive one :-)


    In 75 years I've learned a lot of things. One thing I've learned that
    is pretty well always true, is that when there's all that much smoke around there's bound to be some fire somewhere. And with all that much smoke it shouldn't be very hard to find.

    Must be talking about the Trump administration. Afterall, you believe that 'list' was published in MSM so there are certain things you find that are NOT fake. Damn, those #alternativefacts


    One or two may be coincidence. Three or four is a little curious. But
    its a lot higher than just three or four. `Coincidence' isn't the word
    for it any more. Downright suspicious is more like it. If a private citizen had one death close to them, it might not be too noticed. Two might arouse a little interest. If it got to three or four there'd be
    an intense investigation.

    WOW... Flynn, Sessions, Page, J.D. Gorden, Kushner... there's 5. Shall we start the investigation now? Or is this just #alternativefacts?




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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tim Richardson on Sun Mar 5 21:51:38 2017

    On 2017 Feb 27 22:33:00, you wrote to ALLEN PRUNTY:

    With the Clintons its up over thirty. But.....

    the known count for trump is 8 russians... there are more, bet on it...

    crickets!

    same shit, different perpetrator...

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to mark lewis on Mon Mar 6 08:03:18 2017
    Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: mark lewis to Tim Richardson on Sun Mar 05 2017 09:51 pm

    With the Clintons its up over thirty. But.....

    the known count for trump is 8 russians... there are more, bet on it...

    But are they DEAD Russians?

    Allen


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Allen Prunty on Mon Mar 6 11:38:18 2017

    On 2017 Mar 06 08:03:18, you wrote to me:

    With the Clintons its up over thirty. But.....

    the known count for trump is 8 russians... there are more, bet on
    it...

    But are they DEAD Russians?

    yes... at least two in the last few weeks...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Allen Prunty on Wed Mar 8 03:51:34 2017
    Hello Allen,

    With the Clintons its up over thirty. But.....

    the known count for trump is 8 russians... there are more, bet on it...

    But are they DEAD Russians?

    The walking dead, not the talking dead.

    --Lee

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Mar 8 08:53:40 2017
    Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Lee Lofaso to Allen Prunty on Wed Mar 08 2017 03:51 am

    But are they DEAD Russians?

    The walking dead, not the talking dead.

    Good one Lee... that made my morning. What do you think of the Wiretapping Tweet?

    Allen

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Allen Prunty on Wed Mar 8 16:32:30 2017
    Hello Allen,

    But are they DEAD Russians?

    The walking dead, not the talking dead.

    Good one Lee... that made my morning. What do you think of the
    Wiretapping
    Tweet?

    Read my post under the subject heading "Liar in Chief" - addressed
    to all. While I do not agree with a president (any president) making
    stuff up, the issue of surveillance is too important to ignore.

    In this particular case, what Trump did was worse, as he falsely
    accused his predecessor of having committed a felony. Not just any
    crime, but a felony. This was so low it did not even warrant a
    response, as Obama himself remained silent on the matter.

    We have a man in office who is apparently mentally unhinged. It
    has just been revealed he has met with Russian officials in April
    2016, even though he had pubicly denied ever having met with any
    Russians. What is he hiding, or trying to hide? Why won't he
    reveal his tax returns? Even Nixon turned over his tax returns
    while being audited. Why won't Trump do the same?

    Just because Trump says something does not make it true.
    Trump says he is unwilling to turn over his tax returns because
    he is being audited. Is that true? Doesn't matter, as Nixon
    turned over his tax returns while being audited. Trump then
    said he is unwilling to turn over his tax returns because nobody
    cares. Well, somebody cares because people are still asking
    him to turn over his tax returns. How many lies does he have
    to tell before people start realizing the man is a pathological
    liar? He cannot help himself, whether it is lying by talking,
    lying by tweeting, lying by whatever means. If he was on the
    game show "To Tell The Truth" the board would light up red
    so often that nobody would know any other color existed.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Mar 8 17:20:22 2017
    In this particular case, what Trump did was worse, as he falsely
    accused his predecessor of having committed a felony.

    We do not know that.

    However, via Obama's spokeperson we know that the allegation was denied.

    So one of them lies.

    I say let's have a congressional inquest in this and send the liar to prison.

    Now I don't have any proof other than my gut-feeling and it tells me Obama most
    likely will not go to jail.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Mar 9 00:06:36 2017
    Hello Ward,

    In this particular case, what Trump did was worse, as he falsely
    accused his predecessor of having committed a felony.

    We do not know that.

    Yes, we do. I quoted the tweet for all to read.

    However, via Obama's spokeperson we know that the allegation was denied.

    Through a spokesperson, President Obama called President Trump a liar.

    So one of them lies.

    Or both of them. However, since it was Trump's claim, the burden
    of proof is on Trump. And to date, Trump has shown no evidence to
    support his claim, or even cite a source as to where he came up
    with such an outlandish idea.

    I say let's have a congressional inquest in this and send the liar to prison.

    We do not line up presidents in front of a firing squad and have
    them shot. We allow them to resign from office in disgrace, then
    have the next president pardon them so they can write a book and
    make a ton of money in retirement.

    Now I don't have any proof other than my gut-feeling and it tells me Obama most likely will not go to jail.

    Why would the next Secretary-General of the United Nations go to jail?

    --Lee

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sun Feb 12 22:43:00 2017
    On 02-07-17, Gregory Deyss said to Ward Dossche:

    Subject: Re: Illegitimate President
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    On 02/03/17, Ward Dossche said the following...

    There were more then 2, closer to 10. As far as no plan, what do you think these are, they are plans, executive order is a notice of intention.

    Mostly they are a threat to peace and a dangerous de-stabilisation of certain aquired balances, world economy and global trade.
    Threat to peace, yeah I think not, why is it nearly every time you hear GD>news of a terrorist attack, it is a Muslim from the middle east?

    What about the ones who come here and then get online and become GD>radicalized? When was the last you heard of Christians becoming GD>radicalized and chopping off heads or flying jet liners into buildings?


    Moving the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem for examplem as he
    promised, will spark the third intifady which will be fought to the
    death, there will be no way of negotiating a peace-treaty out of
    thatone.


    It doesn't really matter where the US embassy to Israel is located. People
    in both Europe and here in the US tend to have a blind spot to the fact
    that we are already `fighting to the death' and it's hard to imagine
    things between the West and the Islamists becoming more dangerously de- stabilized than they already are.


    The Arab world will rise in masses so large it will mean the
    annihilation of Israel, unless ... the USA, again, sends in troops to
    fight a war against an enemy using guerilla tactics on its own soil ... unwinnable ... Vietnam anyone?


    Foreigners tend to either not realize, or deliberately ignore the fact that
    the Islamics aren't just committing atrocities in their OWN area of the world against their own kind, they are spreading their murderous religious acts all over the world.


    We were attacked at Pearl Harbor in 1941, and proceeded to chase the Japs all the way through the South Sea Islands back to their own home Islands, and dropped a couple of nukes on them which made them surrender. The first nuke
    got their attention, the second one showed them we were serious and they got the idea.



    With the exception, that now it's not
    against North Vietnam but against a united Muslim world because the
    third intifada will be viewed as a war on the Muslims.
    That, Sir is where the idiot whom you helped elect will lead the USA


    Ward is from one of those countries the United States saved from foreign domination twice last century; the first time it was the Kaiser and his
    armies, the second time it was the Nazis.


    And for our saving them from the Germans two different times, they hate us!


    Since when does Donald Trump have a thing to do with Vietnam?


    They go all over the board sometimes, get used to it.


    If you mean to say that he will make these same like mistakes, time will GD>tell.


    There is, however, a distinct difference from your mindless,
    baseless, fact-less accusations and one having faith. He knows of the GD>awesome power that he holds. Besides I am willing to wait until there is GD>more intel, before I start raising an eyebrow. He has not even been in GD>office 30 days yet. I get the idea that it does not matter with people GD>like you if it's 30 days or 300 days, you're quick to judge based on how GD>pissed and annoyed you are that he won, you can't stand it can you?


    He's been in office less than 30 days and already democrats like Maxine
    Waters want to impeach him. They are so pissed that their boy Clinton got impeached they can't stand it!

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sun Feb 12 23:00:00 2017
    On 02-08-17, Ward Dossche said to Gregory Deyss:


    "Terrorism" is a cargo of many kinds. A drone buzzing above your head does WD>not create an atmosphere of terror?


    One of the nice things about `drones' is they make good clay targets for a
    12 guage.


    What do you think killed the most people?


    Middle east terrorists or US military interventions in the Middle East?


    Thats like asking; `who killed the most people; the Japs invading and subjigating peoples of the South Sea Islands, or the US Marines hitting
    the beaches on island at a time?


    The US one way or the other created Al Qaida, the Taliban and IS.


    A couple of things they tend to be blind to;


    Americans have been getting murdered by Islamics for many years prior to
    the 9\11\2001 attack that killed thousands.


    Since it's America we're talking about, no matter how right you are in any discussion with `some people' you'll be wrong.


    By the way....had it been Brussels Belgium that had Islamic murderers attack with hijacked jumbo jets and thousands of Belgians died as a result, there'd
    be none of this simpering remonstrations and blind denial of the danger to the world from Islam. Bet on it!

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sun Feb 12 23:26:00 2017
    On 02-08-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:


    One day the GOP is going to learn it's easier
    to talk with people then killing them.


    One day the democrat lefties are going to learn that
    the Islamics don't want to `talk' they want to kill
    us.


    One day the politicians are going to learn that the way
    to make them stop attacking us is to take their own fight
    TO them.


    This isn't a conventional war we're in. And we better start fighting
    it on the enemies terms or we will lose.


    Of course it didn't help that we had an ally of Islam in the White House
    for the last eight years, either.There's a reason we are in great peril
    now, and that reason is Hussein Obama.

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sun Feb 12 23:47:00 2017
    On 02-09-17, Gregory Deyss said to Allen Prunty:

    Subject: Re: Illegitimate President
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    On 02/09/17, Allen Prunty said the following...


    Only in modern times... they haven't always been so backwards.


    They've been `backward' since the 6th century or so when Muhammad came along.


    In fact,
    if it wasn't for the pre-crusades Islamics we would not have a lot of advances in medicine, science, and math. You may not even be using the computer as we know it today because they introduced al-jabrea meaning
    "the new math" in Arabic.


    Which gives them the right to fly jumbo jets into sky scrapers and kill thousands of people. And behead victims on video camera.

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Feb 13 00:55:00 2017
    On 02-10-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    On 02/09/17, Allen Prunty said the following...

    Hello Gregory!

    09 Feb 17 15:09, you wrote to me:

    So do the German's owe a debt of gratitude to Islamics for having
    the AP> GD> equivalent to the stealth bomber nearly completed in 1940's ?

    Hitler actually met with the Islamic nations and was working with them to destroy Israel. If he won there would not be an Israel, only palestine.


    Right.. So it is a good thing that Hitler lost huh?


    You cannot have a sensible discussion with a leftie. For one thing, they
    aren't sensible to begin with.


    And for another...


    but he's been reincarnated.... Der Gropenfuhrer!!!!


    they spent eight years ignoring the disgusting behavior of Bill Clinton,
    and they turned a blind eye to another eight years of Hussein Obama
    flooding our country with filth from third-rate nations, not to mention refusing to do what his oath of office intended him to do; enforce the
    laws of the land (illegal immigration).


    "...Der Gropenfuhrer!!!" ???


    A few facts:


    The democrat media tried to destroy Trump when it became obvious Hillary was
    in trouble, by pushing out tales of him having `groped' women.


    1. Jessica Leeds;


    she claimed he'd `...lifted an arm rest on a flight from New york to
    Dallas on Braniff Air in 1979, and `groped her'.


    Problem: In those days the arm rests on such Braniff aircraft were stationary! They couldn't be `raised'!


    And a fellow passenger on that flight, a British man, stated that she was flirting with Trump and he never touched her!


    2. Natasha Stoynoff


    Claimed to have been `groped' by Trump in a story by People Magazine.


    Problem: Trump's butler debunked her false claim. The story quickly
    disappeared into the dustbin of wild, baseless accusations.


    3. Summer Servos


    This gal was on `The Apprentice' and claimed Trump `sexually harassed' her!

    Turns out she was the one who tried to stay constantly in touch with HIM!

    It gets better;


    She got Gloria Allred to take her case....which, after some preliminary checking out, went nowhere! Gloria Allred, by the way, was a Hillary Clinton delegate for Hillary Clinton at the democrat convention!


    4. Mindy McGillivray


    This one claims Trump `nudged' her at a concert! `Nudged'? When did a `nudge' come under the heading of `sexual assault'?


    BTW....this one was easy; turns out the concert she claims to have been `nudged' by Trump at had never even happened! there was no such `concert'!


    There are others....all debunked as well!


    Here's a curious thing;


    At least one of these so-called `attacks' date all the way back to 1990.


    Yet not a single word about them until one or two weeks out of a national election!

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Feb 13 09:53:00 2017
    On 02-11-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    Subject: Re: Illegitimate President
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    Gregory Deyss wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    On 02/11/17, Bill McGarrity said the following...




    I'm talking about before Obama there being closet racism. When he became president then open season started. So I see you agree with a
    Zimmerman, a racist, shooting Travon? I can see your point outside of
    St. Louis but you still need to remember, that police department was
    cited on MANY racially motovated instances.... so yes, some good was
    made of Holder being sent there.


    I wondered if `Zimmerman and Travon' would come up in this.


    I neither agree or disagree with Zimmerman just as I have no interest
    in the case in Ferguson. What bothers me is how they were allowed to conduct such chaos. Peaceful protest is one thing, but this unfolded
    night after night with national television coverage, images of people totally out of control w/ the animal-a-listic behavior, all the
    destruction - burning of local businesses, burning police cars and the looting. Not a word was spoken from the Obama Administration to tone it down, or calling for calm.


    Really? So you give Zimmerman a free pass with your silence.


    A couple of things;


    Notice his (tacit if not outright verbally expressed) giving the *violence* resulting from that incident `a pass'?


    I stated this at the time of the Zimmerman/Martin thing....but I'll say it again;


    Travon Martin had recently moved into a place he may not have very familiar with to live with his father.


    Zimmerman was some sort of mucketymuck in the local neighborhood watch group, and saw Martin walking slowly along eyeing the housing complex his father
    lived in.


    Martin was not doing anything.


    Zimmerman went into amateur-cop mode and began watching Martin.


    When Martin went into the complex Zimmerman parked his vehicle, got out and began trailing Martin into the complex.


    Zimmerman was also in communication with the sheriff's office with a cell phone.


    Martin suddenly came out of some shrubs and assaulted Zimmerman. In the struggle Zimmerman drew a gun and killed Martin.


    One:


    Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.


    Zimmerman's complete legal authority as a mucketymuck in the local
    neighborhood watch was to *observe* and *report*.


    Martin's view of the incident may well have been he was being followed
    by some weirdo male adult whose intentions toward Martin were suspect (to say the least).


    The minute Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and began following Martin, what resulted was due to events which Zimmerman himself put into motion.


    Attacking Zimmerman wasn't a wise choice by Martin, Seventeen year old kids sometimes make bad decisions. But that doesn't shift the blame onto Martin.


    It wouldn't have turned ut as it did at all absent Zimmerman actively
    following (stalking, in fact) Travon Martin.


    Two:


    If this case could be bungled, the prosecutor chosen to prosecute the case
    was just the one needed.


    Zimmerman was, at the very least, guilty of manslaughter.


    Travon Martin is dead due to the situation and events that George Zimmerman
    set up and put into motion.


    Interesting. I can see justice will only be served only if you agree in BM>your mind rather than what actual facts portrayed. Good to know.


    Zimmerman would have been convicted had the prosecution been handled better.

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Feb 13 10:42:00 2017
    On 02-11-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    Subject: Re: Illegitimate President
    @MSGID: <589F8983.7589.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
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    Gregory Deyss wrote to Nicholas Boel <=-

    On 02/10/17, Nicholas Boel said the following...

    Hello Gregory,

    On Fri Feb 10 2017 11:41:50, Gregory Deyss wrote to Bill McGarrity:

    Anyone is who considers themselves as a Christian and does this, is
    n NB> GD> Christian.

    Are you referring to all the ones that have been busted touching and/or raping young boys?

    Look I do not like it either, what decent person would not have a
    problem that of which you have mentioned. It is sick and twisted, but
    the point that I have been making is concerning is members of ISIS masquerading as a refugee.


    Name one....


    CNN story dated January 8th, 2016:


    "Federal authorities arrested two refugees on terror-related charges
    thursday.

    The arrests in Sacramento, California, and Houston did not seem to be related, but both cases were similar;


    Both men were Palestinians born in Iraq, and living as refugees in the United States, according to the U.s. Justice Department. (Aside: Wait a minute! January of 2016? Wasn't that Hussein Obama's administration? The U.S. justice Department? Wasn't that under a *democrat* attorney general?....Tim R.)


    "Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan, 24, is charged with attempting to provide
    material support to ISIS. Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab of Sacramento is
    charged with making a false statement involving international terrorism.


    The two cases come as some Americans worry that terrorists could enter the United States posing as refugees from war torn nations."


    June 16th, 2016 (Hussein Obama's administration)


    "While updating the Senate intelligence committee today, CIA director John Brennan stated that `Isis is training operatives and attempting to enter the U.S. through "refugee flows, smuggling routes and legitimatre methods of travel."


    Wisconsin already has... read up on Sheboygan. Stop believing the BM>nonsense... --


    A list of high ranking U.S. officials who have warned that ISIS could infiltrate into the United States through the refugee population:


    CIA director John Brennan

    Air Force general Philip Breedlove

    General John Allen

    FBI director James Comey

    U.S. director of intelligenceJames Clapper

    State department spokesman John Kirby

    Deputy director of the national counterterrorism center Nicholas Rasmussen

    Assistant FBI director Michael Steinbeck

    House Homeland Security committee chairman rep. Michael McCaul

    All made their warnings in 2015 and 2016, during (get ready, folks) the
    Hussein Obama administration!


    Nothing to see here, folks. Move along....keep moving....nothing to see!

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ED KOON on Mon Feb 13 21:58:00 2017
    On 02-11-17, ED KOON said to MARK LEWIS:

    Subject: RE: Illegitimate President
    @MSGID: <589FA5AD.7590.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c
    On Feb 11, 2017 01:29pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to MIKE MILLER:

    It's because he's scared. So are all the people that support him based MM>> on his rhetoric of fear.

    Let's face it, the terrorists have won.

    and he's still sitting in the WH scaring and terrorizing people...


    Trump is fulfilling his campaign promise to keep America safe. He has EK>already landed more jobs, and with all the bullshit the leftist crybaby EK>cupcakes are dishing out is doing a good job.


    The democrats do not want anything Trump does to succeed. They are actively working to derail his presidency. The fact that they are also going to bring
    us as a country closer to complete destruction in the process matters not at all to them.


    Just like the spin msm put on that lady who was deported and separated EK>from her kids, msm somehow forgot to mention she was a Convicted Felon!


    They didn't `forget'...it was deliberately passed over.


    Just more bullshit from the crybabies who bet on Crooked Hillary and LOST!


    Maybe she'll be back in 2020. More humiliation for her.


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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ED KOON on Mon Feb 13 22:11:00 2017
    On 02-11-17, Joe Delahaye said to ED KOON:



    Just like the spin msm put on that lady who was deported and separated
    from her kids, msm somehow forgot to mention she was a Convicted Felon! Just more bullshit from the crybabies who bet on Crooked Hillary and
    LOST!


    Actually the only thing she was guilty of was using a fake SS
    number.


    A crime.


    She was brought into the US by her mother years ago as a child.


    Another crime.


    If you listen to ICE then this was supposed to be dangerous convicted JD>criminals only, and those facing deportation orders already.


    Her mother *knowingly* committed a crime by coming here herself, and bringing her daughter with her.


    And this woman *knowingly* used a falsified SS card, another crime.


    Whatever the circumstances, nobody should be allowed to profit from the commission of a crime. Either by original commission, or profit from the
    crime of a parent.


    But lefties tend to ignore the laws when they want to outcome to go `their' way.


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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ALL on Mon Feb 13 23:51:00 2017
    On 02-12-17, Bill McGarrity said to Joe Delahaye:


    It was a direct quote by him above my reply. The basis of the KKK is BM>purity of the white race. They don't care if you're black, brown, yellow BM>or even a Jew. Hell, other Christian demoninations are targeted.... yet, BM>he approves this. Now you understand why the Der Gropenfuhrer is sitting BM>behind the Resolute esk.


    This is interesting;


    The lefties will throw the `KKK' at you when they want to run you on a guilt trip.


    Those same lefties will strongly defend Planned Parenthood, an outfit that performs abortions, and who's founder, Margaret Sanger, promoted racist ideas as a regular diet.


    In fact, Sanger even spoke at a meeting of the women's auxilliary of the KKK
    in 1926. After speaking she boasted of the many invitations she recieved from `white supremacist groups' to speak as well!


    Funny how lefties decry those who don't fall in with their ideas with attempts to run the `KKK' guilt trip on them, yet protest any attempt to shut down an organization founded by a eugenicist who intended to `sterilize and abort' the black race out of existence.

    Unreal!





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  • From ED KOON@1:123/140 to TIM RICHARDSON on Tue Feb 14 08:49:22 2017
    On Feb 13, 2017 12:43am, TIM RICHARDSON wrote to GREGORY DEYSS:

    Right.. So it is a good thing that Hitler lost huh?

    You cannot have a sensible discussion with a leftie. For one thing, they aren't sensible to begin with.

    Leftists are totally brainwashed..

    Those young girls crying like babies after finding out crooked Hillary lost!

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to ED KOON on Wed Feb 15 08:54:24 2017
    On 14/02/2017 11:49 PM, ED KOON -> TIM RICHARDSON wrote:
    On Feb 13, 2017 12:43am, TIM RICHARDSON wrote to GREGORY DEYSS:

    Right.. So it is a good thing that Hitler lost huh?

    You cannot have a sensible discussion with a leftie. For one thing,
    they
    aren't sensible to begin with.

    Leftists are totally brainwashed..

    Where as "rightists", who quote "Trump speak" constantly are all independent thinkers?

    The fact is that the majority of USAmericans are somewhat brainwashed.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Tim Richardson on Tue Feb 14 20:30:00 2017
    On 02/12/17, Tim Richardson said the following...

    One day the democrat lefties are going to learn that
    the Islamics don't want to `talk' they want to kill
    us.

    I could not agree more!

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  • From Michael Deig@1:227/60 to Tim Richardson on Sun Feb 19 21:28:42 2017

    Thats only part of it. A lot of it is the cost.


    It can't be done here as cheaply as in a foreign country.


    Over the last twenty or so years I've been able to afford tools and equipment ->that were not affordable in the past.


    Even Sears had to lower prices on some of their big price items.


    Moving off-shore had the effect of lowering costs, which had the effect of ->lowering prices.


    A big big part of the cost of buying many things made in America is the ->outrageous cost of the labor to produce those products. And taxes.


    Where I work the cost of labor is a small number really. But it is
    what is most easy for companies to control. That is why when there is
    bad times there are layoff. It quickly cuts the cost. But everyone also
    forgets about the cost of a business stocks. A business has to and needs
    it stock prices alway going up. If not they lose shareholders and their
    free cash. A lot of companies will have it so that if one part of their business is not making "X" amount of profits then they sell them off.
    By the time the business sells off that part they have done stop
    spending money to upgrade it and the equipment is in bad need of
    repairs. They have cut the work force down to just being able to keep
    the place running for the sell.
    The there are the companies that have plants all over the world. Their
    plants all make the same product but because of our laws and taxs can
    ship that product into the states and sell it to their own plant so that
    they do not need to build or add-on to their plants here. It is all tax
    breaks and ways around the tariffs. They are not selling a whole product
    to the public but to them selfs so that are not taxed the same when they
    ship it here. And there are billions of dollars of products comming in
    that way.
    Think about how a business can make billions of dollars, stocks making
    10% a year and still get back millions back in taxs each year.

    And yes I used to work for a company that was able to do that for years
    and still does.

    Michael Deig








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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Tim Richardson on Mon Feb 20 05:03:24 2017
    Re: Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 19 2017 02:05 pm

    Even Sears had to lower prices on some of their big price items.


    Sorry, but since Sears has been taken over by K-Mart... they have been lowering quality and prices. We have no K-mart Stores left in Louisville and we went to our most upscale mall this weekend to look for deals on next years winter coats. We tried sears first and were horrified. It was dirty, junky, and we could not find people who worked there. It looked like a K-mart and it was in one of our more upscale malls.

    It's not the mall because we went to Macy's where we were treated with good service and I ended up getting a nice coat for $19.95 allegedly <cough> at 90% off from $199.00. The prices at Macys and Kohls are all smoke and mirrors to make you think you are getting a good price.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Thu Feb 23 01:37:54 2017
    Hello David,

    The fact is that the majority of USAmericans are somewhat
    brainwashed.

    And you aren't?

    Not by the same institutionalised methods or to the same degree.

    You have never been to a Trump rally. Therefore, you have no way of
    knowing.
    So, I will tell you flat out - YOU ARE WRONG!

    I was referring to the greater USAmerican institutionalised brainwashing.

    If you were brainwashed, how would you know?

    Not having attended a Trump rally does not prevent me from observing the mindless zealotry displayed by certain echo participants.

    Have you not ever been to a sporting event and been "caught in
    the moment"? It is a real rush, a feeling that you are part of
    something bigger than yourself, as if the entire crowd is alive -
    not as individuals but as a single entity.

    The most recent poll numbers among Republicans have them showing
    an approval of Trump at 87% favorable. That is astronomical!
    And that is with no 9/11 Event to boost his ratings! With numbers
    like those, he is entering godlike status.

    Those poll numbers are as of 2/21/2017 - Pew Research.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Feb 25 21:46:14 2017
    Hello Greg,

    One day the democrat lefties are going to learn that
    the Islamics don't want to `talk' they want to kill
    us.

    I could not agree more!

    Whether they are called "Islamics" or "White Supremacists" or
    whatever other name folks want to call them, they are all terrorists
    intending to do us harm. The President took an oath to protect us
    from all enemies - both foreign and domestic. The US Constitution
    mentions no particular religion or names, but we know who and what
    they are.

    Timothy McVeigh was raised Catholic. Timothy McVeigh was a soldier
    in the US Army. After leaving the US Army, Timothy McVeigh blew up a
    truck, killing 168 men, women and children at a social security office
    in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

    Did I mention Timothy McVeigh was also a member of the Army of God?
    The Army of God is a Christian militant organization. Those people
    consider him as having been a hero.

    If President Trump is serious about keeping America safe, he can
    start by shutting down those Christian militant organizations, and
    taking those people's guns (and bombs) away.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Tim Richardson on Sat Feb 25 23:35:34 2017
    Hello Tim,

    Just like the spin msm put on that lady who was deported and separated
    from her kids, msm somehow forgot to mention she was a Convicted Felon!
    Just more bullshit from the crybabies who bet on Crooked Hillary and
    LOST!


    Actually the only thing she was guilty of was using a fake SS
    number.


    A crime.


    A felony, not just any crime.


    A crime is a crime.

    Not all crimes are equal.
    Misdemeanors are not felonies.

    But under Trump's new policy, if an undocumented worker
    runs a stop sign, or even gets caught jaywalking, he/she
    can be deported - even if not convicted of any felony.

    An undocumented worker is not committing a felony by being
    in this country. As such, he/she is free to return after having
    been deported. Those who have been covicted of a felony are not
    allowed to return after being deported.

    That is the difference.

    She was brought into the US by her mother years ago as a child.


    Another crime.


    A misdemeanor. Not a felony.


    Still a crime. And she *knew* she was here illegally.

    If she had only been guilty of not being a citizen of this country,
    she would be free to return. But she was convicted of a felony after
    being in this country, which means she is not free to return.

    If it had only been a case of
    being here illegally, she would have been deported but able to
    return later (legally). However, because she is a convicted
    felon, she was deported and now has no avenue to return.

    Gosh, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

    If you listen to ICE then this was supposed to be dangerous convicted
    criminals only, and those facing deportation orders already.


    Her mother *knowingly* committed a crime by coming here herself, and
    bringing her daughter with her.


    Both should have been deported. And had she not committed a felony,
    she would have been able to return. But our laws are what they are,
    codified in Sec. 212 Title 8 US Code 1182.


    And this woman *knowingly* used a falsified SS card, another crime.


    Feel free to read the statute, noted above.


    What part of "...*knowingly* used a falsified SS card,..." got you
    confused?

    Ignorance is no excuse. She did what she did, was caught
    and convicted. Now she is paying the price for her actions.

    Whatever the circumstances, nobody should be allowed to profit from the
    commission of a crime. Either by original commission, or profit from the
    crime of a parent.


    Her two children are US citizens, and innocent of having committed
    any crime.


    No. They aren't! They are deportable as well.

    You might want to read the US Constitution. Especially Amendment XIV,
    which states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
    and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
    States and of the State wherein they reside."

    But lefties tend to ignore the laws when they want to outcome TR>to go
    their' way.


    The question `lefties' are bringing up is a moral one. Should
    this country be in the business of breaking up families by sending
    parents back to their home countries, thus forcing their youngsters
    to grow up here without their parents?


    There's no "moral" question involved;

    Breaking up families is not a moral act.

    She is an illegal alien. She `knew' it.

    And duly deported, in accordance with our laws. Those who do not
    like the law should seek to change it.

    Whatever family situation becomes her reality is not the fault of America; it's her!

    Selectively enforcing the law to serve the interests of a small
    handful of rich plutocrats is not fair to anyone except themselves.
    What do you think is going to happen when Mexico feels so enraged
    that it desides to cut its ties with the US? You want to drink
    a margarita? A tequila sunrise? It's gonna cost you.

    *America* didn't create the situation she finds herself in today.
    ...SHE did.

    Gary Hart had the perfect solution. The US should send Mexico
    tons of economic aid. That way, the Mexican economy would grow
    and Americans would be fleeing South of the Border to find jobs.
    But sadly, a bit of Monkey Business got in the way and his mad
    plan to build a Mexican Powerhouse never happened.

    If her family don't want to endure the emptional hardship they feel
    they'll
    be in for without her, they have the option to leave with her.

    Her kids are with her in Mexico, but free to return to the US any
    time they want.

    --Lee

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 25 18:48:36 2017
    Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Lee Lofaso to Tim Richardson on Sat Feb 25 2017 11:35 pm

    But under Trump's new policy, if an undocumented worker
    runs a stop sign, or even gets caught jaywalking, he/she
    can be deported - even if not convicted of any felony.

    You know Trump may sound dumb at times but he's not. Think of what the jist of the policy is. ANY CRIME.

    They are not truly "undocumented workers" they are illegal aliens.

    They are committing crime just by being here... thus any of them can be deported. THINK ABOUT IT... he means any of them that are here and committing a crime. They are criminal just by being here.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Tim Richardson on Wed Feb 15 20:22:38 2017
    Hello Tim,

    Just like the spin msm put on that lady who was deported and separated
    from her kids, msm somehow forgot to mention she was a Convicted Felon!
    Just more bullshit from the crybabies who bet on Crooked Hillary and
    LOST!

    Actually the only thing she was guilty of was using a fake SS
    number.

    A crime.

    A felony, not just any crime.

    She was brought into the US by her mother years ago as a child.

    Another crime.

    A misdemeanor. Not a felony. If it had only been a case of
    being here illegally, she would have been deported but able to
    return later (legally). However, because she is a convicted
    felon, she was deported and now has no avenue to return.

    If you listen to ICE then this was supposed to be dangerous convicted
    criminals only, and those facing deportation orders already.

    Her mother *knowingly* committed a crime by coming here herself, and bringing her daughter with her.

    Both should have been deported. And had she not committed a felony,
    she would have been able to return. But our laws are what they are,
    codified in Sec. 212 Title 8 US Code 1182.

    And this woman *knowingly* used a falsified SS card, another crime.

    Feel free to read the statute, noted above.

    Whatever the circumstances, nobody should be allowed to profit from the commission of a crime. Either by original commission, or profit from the crime of a parent.

    Her two children are US citizens, and innocent of having committed
    any crime.

    But lefties tend to ignore the laws when they want to outcome to go
    `their'
    way.

    If `lefties' do not like the law, they should seek to change it.
    The same goes for `righties'. The question is, are we a nation of
    people, or a nation of laws? Should laws dictate to us how to live,
    or should we take liberties to decide what the true intent of laws
    are?

    I saw a traffic accident a while back. An elderly woman backed
    her car out of her driveway into a big yellow school bus. The
    other elderly woman with her was just as shocked as she was as
    to what that big yellow school bus was doing in the middle of
    the street. Nobody was injured, and there was no damage at all
    to the big yellow school bus. But it did leave the elderly
    woman's car in an undriveable state. With lots of school
    kids scratching their heads as to how such a thing could happen.

    The judge took away her license to drive, and she wound up
    selling the car to the junkyard, after trying to give it away
    to whoever wanted it.

    Had it been a younger person, no judge would have taken their
    license to drive away. Maybe pay a fine for reckless driving,
    but not anything more than that. But send on old woman to jail?
    Or any other draconian measure? I don't think so.

    The question `lefties' are bringing up is a moral one. Should
    this country be in the business of breaking up families by sending
    parents back to their home countries, thus forcing their youngsters
    to grow up here without their parents?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Thu Feb 16 00:12:04 2017
    Hello David,

    Right.. So it is a good thing that Hitler lost huh?

    You cannot have a sensible discussion with a leftie. For one thing,
    they
    aren't sensible to begin with.

    Leftists are totally brainwashed..

    Where as "rightists", who quote "Trump speak" constantly are all
    independent
    thinkers?

    The fact is that the majority of USAmericans are somewhat brainwashed.

    And you aren't?

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to LEE LOFASO on Wed Feb 15 19:23:00 2017
    On 02-15-17, Lee Lofaso said to Tim Richardson:

    @MSGID: <58A4B360.7749.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 003c
    Hello Tim,

    Just like the spin msm put on that lady who was deported and separated EK>> from her kids, msm somehow forgot to mention she was a Convicted Felon! EK>> Just more bullshit from the crybabies who bet on Crooked Hillary and
    LOST!


    Actually the only thing she was guilty of was using a fake SS
    number.


    A crime.


    A felony, not just any crime.


    A crime is a crime.


    She was brought into the US by her mother years ago as a child.


    Another crime.


    A misdemeanor. Not a felony.


    Still a crime. And she *knew* she was here illegally.


    If it had only been a case of
    being here illegally, she would have been deported but able to
    return later (legally). However, because she is a convicted
    felon, she was deported and now has no avenue to return.


    If you listen to ICE then this was supposed to be dangerous convicted
    criminals only, and those facing deportation orders already.


    Her mother *knowingly* committed a crime by coming here herself, and bringing her daughter with her.


    Both should have been deported. And had she not committed a felony,
    she would have been able to return. But our laws are what they are, LL>codified in Sec. 212 Title 8 US Code 1182.


    And this woman *knowingly* used a falsified SS card, another crime.


    Feel free to read the statute, noted above.


    What part of "...*knowingly* used a falsified SS card,..." got you confused?


    Whatever the circumstances, nobody should be allowed to profit from the commission of a crime. Either by original commission, or profit from the crime of a parent.


    Her two children are US citizens, and innocent of having committed
    any crime.


    No. They aren't! They are deportable as well.


    But lefties tend to ignore the laws when they want to outcome to go
    `their'
    way.


    The question `lefties' are bringing up is a moral one. Should
    this country be in the business of breaking up families by sending LL>parents back to their home countries, thus forcing their youngsters
    to grow up here without their parents?


    There's no "moral" question involved;


    She is an illegal alien. She `knew' it. Whatever family situation becomes
    her reality is not the fault of America; it's her!


    *America* didn't create the situation she finds herself in today....SHE
    did.


    If her family don't want to endure the emptional hardship they feel they'll
    be in for without her, they have the option to leave with her.




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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Feb 15 19:43:00 2017
    On 02-13-17, Gregory Deyss said to Bill McGarrity:


    process then? Meanwhile, a good hard working married woman with children who complied with all ICE regulations for the past 8 years gets shipped back. Justice may be blind, but Trump is both blind and heartless.


    If they complied legally.. ICE would not even be involved, now would it?


    Lefties pretend not to see that.


    If such `family separation hardship' being waved about on this were a valid position, nobody'd ever go to prison for committing a crime. We could close
    all prisons.


    It's not heartless it's called the law and we are country of laws.


    Lefties will be quick to loudly shout that when it's a conservation on
    the recieving end.


    It's much different when it's THEIR ox getting gored.


    You know what is heartless, asking the American taxpayer to pay 100 GD>Billion for people who are here illegally.


    They pretend not to see that. And besides, it's someone `elses' money; taxpayers.





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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Feb 15 19:50:00 2017
    On 02-14-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:




    Yes, if she "complied"?? So making every scheduled check-in with ICE over BM>the past 8 years makes her a hardened dangerous non-complient criminal.


    1. She was here in violation of our immigration laws.


    2. She knowingly obtained and used a SS# that wasn't legitimate.


    3. For "....the past 8 years..." Hussein Obama has been pretty much thumbing his nose at our immigration laws.


    4. Hussein Obama is no longer running things.


    5. We may finally see our immigration laws enforced.





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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ED KOON on Wed Feb 15 20:00:00 2017
    On 02-14-17, ED KOON said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    @MSGID: <58A31B85.7712.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c
    On Feb 13, 2017 12:43am, TIM RICHARDSON wrote to GREGORY DEYSS:

    Right.. So it is a good thing that Hitler lost huh?

    You cannot have a sensible discussion with a leftie. For one thing, they aren't sensible to begin with.

    Leftists are totally brainwashed..

    Those young girls crying like babies after finding out crooked Hillary EK>lost!


    Word around is Hussein s so pissed his protege lost he's trying everything he can to disrupt Trump's presidency.


    A couple of things;


    I don't know why Flinn wasn't truthful with VP Pence, and Trump was right to ask him to resign.


    But there's a 400 lb gorilla in the room; the only way the conversation he
    had with the Russian could have been recorded is by US government people.
    And the disclosure to a news outlet of what was said is a crime.For that
    matter recording anything Flinn said in that conversation without a warrant or court order is also a crime.





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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Feb 17 08:38:04 2017
    On 16/02/2017 9:12 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    Leftists are totally brainwashed..

    Where as "rightists", who quote "Trump speak" constantly are all independent
    thinkers?

    The fact is that the majority of USAmericans are somewhat brainwashed.

    And you aren't?

    Not by the same institutionalised methods or to the same degree.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Tim Richardson on Thu Feb 16 20:02:00 2017

    On 02/15/17, Tim Richardson said the following...

    On 02-14-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    Yes, if she "complied"?? So making every scheduled check-in with ICE ov BM>the past 8 years makes her a hardened dangerous non-complient criminal. 1. She was here in violation of our immigration laws.
    2. She knowingly obtained and used a SS# that wasn't legitimate.
    3. For "....the past 8 years..." Hussein Obama has been pretty much thumbing his nose at our immigration laws.
    4. Hussein Obama is no longer running things.

    A.Men

    5. We may finally see our immigration laws enforced.

    It's about time.

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Thu Feb 16 22:15:00 2017
    On 02-16-17, Gregory Deyss said to Tim Richardson:

    @MSGID: <58A67573.7821.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c

    On 02/15/17, Tim Richardson said the following...

    On 02-14-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    Yes, if she "complied"?? So making every scheduled check-in with ICE
    ov TR> BM>the past 8 years makes her a hardened dangerous non-complient GD>criminal. TR> 1. She was here in violation of our immigration laws.
    2. She knowingly obtained and used a SS# that wasn't legitimate.
    3. For "....the past 8 years..." Hussein Obama has been pretty much thumbing his nose at our immigration laws.
    4. Hussein Obama is no longer running things.


    A.Men


    5. We may finally see our immigration laws enforced.


    It's about time.


    It's a question of whetrher or not they respect our laws.


    There's only one way they can demonstrate they respect our laws:


    Go home; get in line; wait their turn.


    America's goal should be to welcome imigrants who will respect and obey our laws.


    People who want to come here to become an American should do so legally.


    The policy should be if you came here illegally, and need to be `rounded up
    and deported', you should never be allowed to return. People who want to honor our laws would go home, get in line, and wait their turn. Those who are here illegally and do not do the right thing to come here in compliance with our laws, if they don't respect our immigration laws, what makes anyone think they respect America at all?


    If they don;t respect our laws, they don't respect America. We don't want them here.


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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to GREGORY DEYSS on Thu Feb 16 22:45:00 2017
    On 02-16-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    Subject: Re: Illegitimate President
    @MSGID: <58A55C1A.7792.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @REPLY: <58A507D9.7763.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    On 02/15/17, Bill McGarrity said the following...

    Oh, then why did the house just pass a bill allowing coal companies to polute rivers and streams without procecution? Do they wqant to defund Planned Parenthood over some useless 'EDITED" video, do they want to
    change Medicare into vouchers?

    Do some research on Planned Parenthood and its founder.
    Why should our tax dollars go to fund Planned Parenthood.

    I've done plenty of research. The 'abortion' rage, which you and many BM>like you, think $ is being spent for that is not the case. Tell me BM>someone, their contraceptive program, how many unwanted pregnancies would BM>there be then?. Woman's health is important and why should you, or I or BM>any man have a say in a woman's choices?



    The person who posted this to you who's such a staunch defender of Planned Parenthood, sometimes makes the claim to be a believing, practicing Roman Catholic.


    Planned Parenthood's 2014 numbers:


    323,999 abortions erformed in 2014. During 2014-2015 fiscal year, Planned Parenthood recieved $553.7 million of the taxpayers' money.


    That $553.7 million by the way is 43% of the $1.295 billion they took in in revenue for that fiscal period.


    Just the taxpayer money going into it alone is disgusting.


    People pass over the fact that an abortion is ending the life of a human.


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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Fri Feb 17 13:49:00 2017
    Tim Richardson wrote to GREGORY DEYSS on 02-16-17 22:45 <=-

    On 02-16-17, Bill McGarrity said to Gregory Deyss:

    Subject: Re: Illegitimate President
    @MSGID: <58A55C1A.7792.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @REPLY: <58A507D9.7763.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    On 02/15/17, Bill McGarrity said the following...

    Oh, then why did the house just pass a bill allowing coal companies to polute rivers and streams without procecution? Do they wqant to defund Planned Parenthood over some useless 'EDITED" video, do they want to change Medicare into vouchers?

    Do some research on Planned Parenthood and its founder.
    Why should our tax dollars go to fund Planned Parenthood.

    I've done plenty of research. The 'abortion' rage, which you and many
    like you, think $ is being spent for that is not the case. Tell me
    someone, their contraceptive program, how many unwanted pregnancies would
    there be then?. Woman's health is important and why should you, or I or
    any man have a say in a woman's choices?



    The person who posted this to you who's such a staunch defender of
    Planned Parenthood, sometimes makes the claim to be a believing, practicing Roman Catholic.

    I am and will be. The fact that I am a Catholic does not give me the right to dictate to women who are not of my faith. You may want to learn that lesson yourself.

    Planned Parenthood's 2014 numbers:


    323,999 abortions erformed in 2014. During 2014-2015 fiscal year,
    Planned Parenthood recieved $553.7 million of the taxpayers' money.

    And none of that money was spent on abortions. It's a federal law. As usual you only pinpoint the small protion of women's healthcare swervices they provide, along with birth control. You know birth control Timmy... that's the thing you used to give those women in hospitals that didn't know better. Are you now against birth control?



    People pass over the fact that an abortion is ending the life of a
    human.

    Do you know how a birth control pill works? You should google it... you'd be amazed how many baby's deaths you were responsible for.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to David Drummond on Sun Feb 19 00:18:54 2017
    Hello David,

    Leftists are totally brainwashed..

    Where as "rightists", who quote "Trump speak" constantly are all
    independent
    thinkers?

    The fact is that the majority of USAmericans are somewhat
    brainwashed.

    And you aren't?

    Not by the same institutionalised methods or to the same degree.

    You have never been to a Trump rally.
    Therefore, you have no way of knowing.
    So, I will tell you flat out - YOU ARE WRONG!

    Donald J. Trump is one-of-a-kind. Donald J. Trump uses his
    own special method to get others to do his bidding. Nobody else
    can do what he does. Not even the best imitator in the world
    can come close. Only The Donald can do what The Donald does.

    But you do not have to know all that. In fact, there is only
    one thing you and others really have to know -

    Trump is always right!

    There you go! That is Trump's secret! And he wants you, and
    the whole world, to know! Trump is always right! See how easy
    that is? Not really a big secret, is it? Something everybody
    knew all along ...

    --Lee

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  • From ED KOON@1:123/140 to LEE LOFASO on Sat Feb 18 17:58:00 2017
    On Feb 19, 2017 12:16am, LEE LOFASO wrote to DAVID DRUMMOND:

    Not by the same institutionalised methods or to the same degree.

    You have never been to a Trump rally.
    Therefore, you have no way of knowing.
    So, I will tell you flat out - YOU ARE WRONG!

    Donald J. Trump is one-of-a-kind. Donald J. Trump uses his
    own special method to get others to do his bidding. Nobody else
    can do what he does. Not even the best imitator in the world
    can come close. Only The Donald can do what The Donald does.

    Only Trump can send CNN (Fake News)spinning toword disaster.. https://www.facebook.com/FidoSysop/photos/a.616597105114824.1073741828.4655238 93555480/1187945547979974/?type=3

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to BILL MCGARRITY on Sat Feb 18 20:17:00 2017
    On 02-17-17, Bill McGarrity said to Tim Richardson:


    The person who posted this to you who's such a staunch defender of
    Planned Parenthood, sometimes makes the claim to be a believing,
    practicing Roman Catholic.


    I am and will be.


    Then, as a believing, practicing Catholic, you have no wiggle room on the abortion issue.


    The fact that I am a Catholic does not give me the right
    to dictate to women who are not of my faith. You may want to learn that BM>lesson yourself.


    I don't `dictate' to anyone on anything.


    Planned Parenthood's 2014 numbers:


    323,999 abortions erformed in 2014. During 2014-2015 fiscal year,
    Planned Parenthood recieved $553.7 million of the taxpayers' money.


    And none of that money was spent on abortions.


    You have no way of knowing that. And besides, thats not the point;


    The point is; they do thousands of abortions each year. There are people
    who object to abortion (like me).


    They also recieve over $500 million per year from taxpayers.


    There are those (like me) who strongly object to an abortion mill getting
    ANY taxpayer money, regardless what they use it for!



    It's a federal law. As
    usual you only pinpoint the small protion of women's healthcare swervices BM>they provide, along with birth control.


    They do very few actual "...women's healthcare services...".


    They have just over 600 locations nation-wide.


    The only thing they offer that the 13,000 or so health clinics don't is abortions. Which is the ONLY reason Pelosi (who claims, like you, to be
    a practicing Catholic) doesn't want them defunded. Ditto all the rest of
    the leftist cadre in the Congress.


    You know birth control Timmy...
    that's the thing you used to give those women in hospitals that didn't BM>know better. Are you now against birth control?


    *I* didn't give anything to anyone; I'm not an MD.


    What I *did* do is hand out medications prescribed by a physician.


    And no...I am not against birth control.


    What I AM against is paying money in taxes for *abortions*.




    People pass over the fact that an abortion is ending the life of a
    human.


    Do you know how a birth control pill works? You should google it... you'd BM>be amazed how many baby's deaths you were responsible for.


    You don't get the sort of stuff committed by Gosnell from a birth control
    pill.


    Nor is there any baby parts from an aborted baby for an outfit like Planned Parenthood for the body parts market in a birth control pill.


    If a female wants to be sexually active, I don't care.


    If a sexually active female wants to prevent getting pregnant with birth control pills, I don't care.


    If she gets pregnant and wants an abortion, I don't approve of it but as long as she's paying for it that's her business.


    When she goes to a place that *my* tax money subsidizes to get that abortion, then it BECOMES my business, because I strongly object to someone doing abortion on my dime.


    You say `....well....that isn't spent on abortions...'. But you don't know
    that and neither does anyone else.


    The `baby body parts' thing alone screams for their defunding of all taxpayer money, period!



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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to ED KOON on Sat Feb 18 23:02:18 2017
    Re: RE: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: ED KOON to LEE LOFASO on Sat Feb 18 2017 05:58 pm

    Only Trump can send CNN (Fake News)spinning toword disaster.. https://www.fa cebook.com/FidoSysop/photos/a.616597105114824.1073741828.4655238 93555480/1187945547979974/?type=3

    Ed,

    Might want to try tinyurl.com makes things much easier to copy and paste with LONG errr.... yuuuge URLs :-)

    Anyhow thought you might enjoy this one...

    Trump invited the Pope to his yacht for a private dinner. They cruised out into the ocean and dropped anchor and had a good meal. Suddenly the wind and waves picked up and the Pope's hat was blown into the ocean where it floated on top of the water.

    Both the secret service and the swiss guard refused to go in on the ocean for a mere hat. But the Pope sighed and said that was his favorite hat. Trump smiled and said I got this.

    Trump climbed down the ladder and walked on the water to the Pope's hat where he picked it up then walked back to the boat and climbed up the ladder and handed it to the pope.

    The next day CNN reported....
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .......... Wait for it
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .................. The CNN Tagline was "TRUMP CAN'T SWIM"

    I know I'm bad

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Sat Feb 18 23:57:06 2017
    Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to BILL MCGARRITY on Sat Feb 18 2017 20:17:00

    On 02-17-17, Bill McGarrity said to Tim Richardson:


    The person who posted this to you who's such a staunch defender of Planned Parenthood, sometimes makes the claim to be a believing, practicing Roman Catholic.


    I am and will be.


    Then, as a believing, practicing Catholic, you have no wiggle room on
    the abortion issue.

    I already told you.... I understand my stance as a Catholic. What someone
    else believes is there business. You assume that you know it all. I said I was pro-choice as it pertains to others and their beliefs. No where did I
    say I wasn't pro-life in my own beliefs. So please, don't preach to me as
    you know not what you speak of.

    The fact that I am a Catholic does not give me the right
    to dictate to women who are not of my faith. You may want to learn
    that
    lesson yourself.


    I don't `dictate' to anyone on anything.

    LOL... you're dictating your beliefs on me and condemning me for it because
    I am pro-choice. You sir, are nucking futs...

    323,999 abortions erformed in 2014. During 2014-2015 fiscal year, Planned Parenthood recieved $553.7 million of the taxpayers' money.


    And none of that money was spent on abortions.


    You have no way of knowing that. And besides, thats not the point;

    Sure I do. Federal regulations prohibit the use of federal funds for
    abortion. Please, if you're so positive they are using federal money, then please, show me proof. Sure it's the point. Your arguement only holds water
    IF they indeed are using federal funds. If you're so positive... PROVE IT.

    The point is; they do thousands of abortions each year. There are
    people who object to abortion (like me).

    Fine... don't have one. You just said above you don't dictate. Certainly seems like you are to me from the above statement. So which is it, you do
    or you don't dictate?


    There are those (like me) who strongly object to an abortion mill
    getting ANY taxpayer money, regardless what they use it for!

    And, who the fuck are you to force your objection on anyone? You don't like
    an abortion, no one is forcing you to have one. The only thing you control
    is your mind. Anything else is just hot air.

    It's a federal law. As
    usual you only pinpoint the small protion of women's healthcare
    swervices
    they provide, along with birth control.


    They do very few actual "...women's healthcare services...".

    Your delirious. Again, prove it?

    They have just over 600 locations nation-wide.

    Which is a good thing.... there's over 160 million women so they're
    possibly taking care of over 50% of the population. So you have
    prespective... Trump only has 25% of the population in his cheering corner.
    PP wins... Trump loses...

    The only thing they offer that the 13,000 or so health clinics don't
    is abortions. Which is the ONLY reason Pelosi (who claims, like you,
    to be a practicing Catholic) doesn't want them defunded. Ditto all
    the rest of the leftist cadre in the Congress.

    You do know that PP offers healthcare services to men as well... look it up. 75% of the women they treat are at least 150% below the poverty level. Other services include education on STD's, distribution of condoms to both reduce pregnancy and STD's, family planning for those just starting out in life together, health services to transgender among other things. Tell me, if
    you and yours do get your wish, do you think abortion will magically
    disappear? If so, you're back in the twilight zone again.

    You know birth control Timmy...
    that's the thing you used to give those women in hospitals that didn't BM>know better. Are you now against birth control?


    *I* didn't give anything to anyone; I'm not an MD.

    Sure you did. You didn't perscribe the meds but you most certainly administered it. If you were so against it, why did you do it? You could
    have been a conscientious objector. After all, the primary way a pill works
    is not allowing a fertilized egg to attach itself to the placenta. You
    killed possible babies... murderer!!

    What I *did* do is hand out medications prescribed by a physician.

    I know... you were the henchmen. Very few judges actually perform the sentencing... they ahve people like you to do the dirty work... murderer...


    And no...I am not against birth control.

    Ahhh... I see. so the only birth control you believe in is condoms?

    What I AM against is paying money in taxes for *abortions*.

    And it doesn't happen. You thinking it does doesn't make it factual.
    You're in your fantasy again.


    Do you know how a birth control pill works? You should google it...
    you'd
    be amazed how many baby's deaths you were responsible for.


    You don't get the sort of stuff committed by Gosnell from a birth
    control pill.

    Oh? Although I don't condone what Gosnell did, you effectively did the same thing handing out those pills. You were an accomplice to murder. Your act just happened sooner.

    Nor is there any baby parts from an aborted baby for an outfit like Planned Parenthood for the body parts market in a birth control pill.

    Awwwww... quoting #fakenews now. You know all those "hidden camera" atpe was doctored (pardon the pun). Try again....

    If a female wants to be sexually active, I don't care.

    Good, because it's not up to you.

    If a sexually active female wants to prevent getting pregnant with
    birth control pills, I don't care.

    Yet those pills can cause possible early abortions just by the way they
    work. Thought you were against abortions? Have to make up your mind.

    If she gets pregnant and wants an abortion, I don't approve of it but
    as long as she's paying for it that's her business.

    Damn.... look at this. You ARE for abortions. You are indeed a confused
    man.

    When she goes to a place that *my* tax money subsidizes to get that abortion, then it BECOMES my business, because I strongly object to someone doing abortion on my dime.

    But I told you and the federal government has told you.... ZERO $ goes
    towards abortion. If you think it does, please get an MBA, have them look
    at all the PP clinics and audit them.

    You say `....well....that isn't spent on abortions...'. But you don't
    know that and neither does anyone else.

    Federal government tells me. Oh wait, you're an alt-righter... you don't believe in teh gubmint

    The `baby body parts' thing alone screams for their defunding of all taxpayer money, period!

    Do you also believe there are little green men hiding under your bed?


    As usual Tim, it was a pleasure whipping your sorry butt. Have a good
    evening. And oh, I'll be waiting on those audit reports. Y'all have a good night now... ya hear.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Feb 20 05:45:14 2017
    On 19/02/2017 8:18 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    The fact is that the majority of USAmericans are somewhat brainwashed.

    And you aren't?

    Not by the same institutionalised methods or to the same degree.

    You have never been to a Trump rally. Therefore, you have no way of
    knowing.
    So, I will tell you flat out - YOU ARE WRONG!

    I was referring to the greater USAmerican institutionalised brainwashing.

    Not having attended a Trump rally does not prevent me from observing the mindless zealotry displayed by certain echo participants.

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    David

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun Feb 19 14:05:00 2017
    On 02-18-17, Allen Prunty said to Gregory Deyss:

    We have no textile industry in America anymore. VERY LITTLE is made here AP>because the textile mills have all long since been shut down.


    In their defense it's hard to make a product in America when there is no AP>factory to make it... and what factories that can go online has very AP>antique equipment that makes the quality inferior to what you can get


    overseas. SOmetimes it's not that they don't want to make it in the USA it AP>simply can't be made in the USA on the timeline needed.


    Thats only part of it. A lot of it is the cost.


    It can't be done here as cheaply as in a foreign country.


    Over the last twenty or so years I've been able to afford tools and equipment that were not affordable in the past.


    Even Sears had to lower prices on some of their big price items.


    Moving off-shore had the effect of lowering costs, which had the effect of lowering prices.


    A big big part of the cost of buying many things made in America is the outrageous cost of the labor to produce those products. And taxes.



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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to BILL MCGARRITY on Sun Feb 19 13:43:00 2017
    On 02-18-17, Bill McGarrity said to Tim Richardson:

    @MSGID: <58A92679.7869.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c
    Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to BILL MCGARRITY on Sat Feb 18 2017 20:17:00

    On 02-17-17, Bill McGarrity said to Tim Richardson:


    The person who posted this to you who's such a staunch defender of Planned Parenthood, sometimes makes the claim to be a believing, practicing Roman Catholic.


    I am and will be.


    Then, as a believing, practicing Catholic, you have no wiggle room on
    the abortion issue.

    I already told you.... I understand my stance as a Catholic. What someone BM>else believes is there business. You assume that you know it all. I said BM>I was pro-choice as it pertains to others and their beliefs. No where did BM>I say I wasn't pro-life in my own beliefs. So please, don't preach to me BM>as you know not what you speak of.

    The fact that I am a Catholic does not give me the right
    to dictate to women who are not of my faith. You may want to learn
    that
    lesson yourself.


    I don't `dictate' to anyone on anything.


    LOL... you're dictating your beliefs on me and condemning me for it BM>because I am pro-choice. You sir, are nucking futs...


    I don't care what you believe. Believe anything you wish.


    Let me remind you of something:


    "I just wish he would allow others the same courtesy in their beliefs. ...Bill McGarrity


    What *I* believe is not anything I require *you* to conform to.


    Your claimed Catholicism and belief in it's teachings conflicting with what
    you post here on the subject of abortion isn't *my* problem, it's *yours*.


    323,999 abortions erformed in 2014. During 2014-2015 fiscal year, Planned Parenthood recieved $553.7 million of the taxpayers' money.


    And none of that money was spent on abortions.


    You have no way of knowing that. And besides, thats not the point;


    Sure I do. Federal regulations prohibit the use of federal funds for BM>abortion.


    "Federal regulations" say those who enter the United States illegally be deported; how'd THAT go for the last 8 years?


    "Federal regulations" are followed (in fact are INSISTED upon) when it's a leftist liberal raising a stink about something.


    When the shoe is on the foot of `conservatives'....then it's "...oh well.... uh....um...."


    Please, if you're so positive they are using federal money,
    then please, show me proof. Sure it's the point. Your arguement only BM>holds water IF they indeed are using federal funds.


    Federal money once in the hands of a place like Planned Parenthood is very fungible, as you well know (or should know).


    For those who misunderstand `fungible' it goes like this:


    Money is recieved by Planned Parenthood.


    They are (supposedly) not suposed to apply any of it to abortion.


    They have various funds set up for different things.


    Even though federal regulations like the Hyde Amendment prohibits taxpayer dollars from being used for abortions, it can be used in other areas of the Planned Parenthood organization, so that OTHER funds can be allocated for abortions.


    It ain't rocket science.


    Planned Parenthood recieves taxpayer funds from the government.


    Planned Parenthood performs thousands of abortions each year.


    They are not allowed to directly use taxpayer funds for their abortion services.


    That word *directly* opens a lot of doors.


    And while their claim that they do not use taxpayer funds directly for abortions....the fungibility of money throughout their organization
    means taxpayer money is, indeed, being used for abortions.
    And money coming out of those various funds


    And, who the fuck are you to force your objection on anyone? You don't BM>like an abortion, no one is forcing you to have one. The only thing you BM>control is your mind. Anything else is just hot air.


    (big snip!)


    This is not the first time I've tried to engage in a conversation with you on
    a decent level. But it will be the last.


    As usual with you, you take the conversation all over the board and it's not long before you are reduced to cursing and tossing wild, unfounded accusations at me or using derogatory variations of my name.


    I've run into this with you before when I've tried to `discuss' an issue on which we have differing points of view, and it gets a bit useless to try `talking' to someone who is almost immediately making false accusations at me, throws insulting variations of my name at me, or reduces the conversation to curses and insults.


    Post *to* me or not as you choose. I will no longer respond to you directly.




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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Sun Feb 19 18:05:00 2017
    Tim Richardson wrote to BILL MCGARRITY on 02-19-17 13:43 <=-

    On 02-18-17, Bill McGarrity said to Tim Richardson:

    @MSGID: <58A92679.7869.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 412c
    Re: Illegitimate Presiden
    By: Tim Richardson to BILL MCGARRITY on Sat Feb 18 2017 20:17:00

    On 02-17-17, Bill McGarrity said to Tim Richardson:


    The person who posted this to you who's such a staunch defender of Planned Parenthood, sometimes makes the claim to be a believing, practicing Roman Catholic.


    I am and will be.


    Then, as a believing, practicing Catholic, you have no wiggle room on
    the abortion issue.

    I already told you.... I understand my stance as a Catholic. What someone
    else believes is there business. You assume that you know it all. I said
    I was pro-choice as it pertains to others and their beliefs. No where did
    I say I wasn't pro-life in my own beliefs. So please, don't preach to me
    as you know not what you speak of.

    The fact that I am a Catholic does not give me the right
    to dictate to women who are not of my faith. You may want to learn
    that
    lesson yourself.


    I don't `dictate' to anyone on anything.


    LOL... you're dictating your beliefs on me and condemning me for it
    because I am pro-choice. You sir, are nucking futs...


    I don't care what you believe. Believe anything you wish.


    Let me remind you of something:


    "I just wish he would allow others the same courtesy in their beliefs. ...Bill McGarrity


    Let me remind you of something...

    "Then, as a believing, practicing Catholic, you have no wiggle room onthe abortion issue."
    ... Tim Richardson

    Kettle, meet pot. You are truly a piece of work.


    What *I* believe is not anything I require *you* to conform to.

    You can believ anything you want as long as you're not being hypocritical from your actions. You distributed birth control pills.... therefore are probably responsible for a few abortions.

    Your claimed Catholicism and belief in it's teachings conflicting with what you post here on the subject of abortion isn't *my* problem, it's *yours*.

    No, that's what you want to believe. I said, (now please... see if this will sink in..) I am pro-choice to allow women to make up their own minds on how they want to run their life. You on the other hand are dictating that they do not ahve that right.


    323,999 abortions erformed in 2014. During 2014-2015 fiscal year, Planned Parenthood recieved $553.7 million of the taxpayers' money.


    And none of that money was spent on abortions.


    You have no way of knowing that. And besides, thats not the point;


    Sure I do. Federal regulations prohibit the use of federal funds for
    abortion.


    "Federal regulations" say those who enter the United States illegally
    be deported; how'd THAT go for the last 8 years?

    You ahve proof it's not real.. or is that a Trumpism. BTW, hell of a plight in Sweden last night... VERY VERY TERRIBLE!!


    "Federal regulations" are followed (in fact are INSISTED upon) when
    it's a leftist liberal raising a stink about something.

    Awwww.... poor Timmy. Facing reality and the law is so difficult for you. Poor baby. Maybe you need to go suck on the teat of Trump ro make yourself feel better.


    When the shoe is on the foot of `conservatives'....then it's "...oh well.... uh....um...."

    Tell me, when was the last time a conservative wanted this country to progress forward rather than returning back to the 1950's? You should do your homework as just yesterday a GOP official in Utah said equal pay for women was a bad idea, that they must remain barefoot and pregnant (a paraphrase... don't get your panties in a bunch)

    Please, if you're so positive they are using federal money,
    then please, show me proof. Sure it's the point. Your arguement only
    holds water IF they indeed are using federal funds.


    Federal money once in the hands of a place like Planned Parenthood is
    very fungible, as you well know (or should know).

    No I don't... SHOW ME THE PROOF!.. ;)

    For those who misunderstand `fungible' it goes like this:


    Money is recieved by Planned Parenthood.


    They are (supposedly) not suposed to apply any of it to abortion.


    They have various funds set up for different things.


    Even though federal regulations like the Hyde Amendment prohibits
    taxpayer dollars from being used for abortions, it can be used in other areas of the Planned Parenthood organization, so that OTHER funds can
    be allocated for abortions.


    It ain't rocket science.


    Really... other than your mind playing tricks on you... that is your opinion. It is not proof so please, spare us of your nonsense.

    Planned Parenthood recieves taxpayer funds from the government.


    Planned Parenthood performs thousands of abortions each year.


    They are not allowed to directly use taxpayer funds for their abortion services.


    That word *directly* opens a lot of doors.


    And while their claim that they do not use taxpayer funds directly for abortions....the fungibility of money throughout their organization
    means taxpayer money is, indeed, being used for abortions.
    And money coming out of those various funds

    All your words... no proof. Your three for a quarter is all used up. Please deposit another quarter to continue.


    And, who the fuck are you to force your objection on anyone? You don't
    like an abortion, no one is forcing you to have one. The only thing you
    control is your mind. Anything else is just hot air.


    (big snip!)


    This is not the first time I've tried to engage in a conversation with
    you on a decent level. But it will be the last.

    Good, because I've been dying to call you the biggest asshole I've ever met in my life and I don't really care what you ahve to say. You a fossil that's lived well past your expiration date when it comes to your archaic "manly" views.

    As usual with you, you take the conversation all over the board and
    it's not long before you are reduced to cursing and tossing wild, unfounded accusations at me or using derogatory variations of my name.

    Hey, you'd probaby fit them all to a tee...

    I've run into this with you before when I've tried to `discuss' an
    issue on which we have differing points of view, and it gets a bit
    useless to try `talking' to someone who is almost immediately making
    false accusations at me, throws insulting variations of my name at me,
    or reduces the conversation to curses and insults.


    You said that above... having problems remembering what you type? Senility setting in?

    Post *to* me or not as you choose. I will no longer respond to you directly.

    Great!! I'll still rip your antiquated ass a new asshole everytime I see some bullshit you post.

    Deal?

    Now go play with your Trump doll... and please remember the Bowling Green and Swedish massacres in your prayers.


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