• The Meaning of Life

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Allen Prunty on Tue Apr 25 04:37:06 2017
    Hello Allen,

    Normally, I would not quote much of a post made in another echo,
    but in this case I found it necessary to present your rant in its
    entirety, unedited.

    Before continuing, please re-read your own comments, and allow
    others in this echo to do the same -

    -=begin quote=-

    You are right Allen. Life is too short to waste time on
    petty things like that. Especially when you're just shy of
    one year from getting 70. 8-)

    The older I get sometimes I have to take inventory and realize
    that I have far more friends than enemies... often those that I
    preceive as "enemies" really aren't they are simply friends that
    I have had a stupid disagreement with that didn't matter in the
    great scheme of things. The only reason why P preceive them as
    an enemy is because I stupidly held onto something petty that I
    should have just let go of.

    Life is too short... Had a ladyfriend that I was REALLY close to.
    Janis may remember her as she was popular in Louisville for a long
    time. She had a Radioshow simply called "Francine" Her name was
    Francine Cucinello (It has been so long I may have mispelled it)
    and she was a force of nature. She had the 9am-12pm talk show on
    840am Radio and she was fearless... even to the point she once
    considered running for congress and called John Yarmoth (our
    congressman) up and asked him for advice running against him.
    She didn't and it made a great story at her funeral.

    She had no problem calling out any polititican on either side
    or any school official... heck she would call out her own mother
    on her show if it was effectig the community. The mayor had a
    love/hate relationship.

    I remember the day she died like it was yesterday. We were going
    to get together later that week because it snowed too often. Every
    show closing she would say do _____ because life is just too short.
    The day she died we had substantial snowfall and she said "Take a
    kid sledding today because life is just too short."

    She had a heart attack that day and died of a brain anyrism two
    days later. No one saw this coming. Her advice echos in my head
    even to this day I hear "Because life is too darn short" in her
    voice. She would always tell me "Let go of that because life's
    too short to carry it." The older I get now, the more that it
    makes sense. Francine got it at a young age.

    Allen

    -=end quote=-

    Now for my own comments.

    Life is not too short. Life is whatever time we are alotted
    by the one who made us. While it may seem some have been shorted
    whatever life they had been granted, such perception is misleading.

    What is the meaning of life? Is it simply to exist, for the sake
    of existing? Or is there real purpose, a reason for being? If there
    is real purpose, then what is that reason for being? Can it ever be
    known? Or is it something one can only hope to believe?

    Once an individual has completed his/her mission in life, his/her
    business is finished. There is no more need for that individual to
    remain in the state he/she is in, as it is then time to move on.
    Unnerstan'?

    Francine passed away unexpectedly at a very young age. Had she
    not passed away by natural causes, she would have passed away
    by some other cause (auto accident, suicide, rape/murder victim,
    etc.). No matter what she would have or not have done, she would
    have passed away at the end of the time she was alotted.

    This is not predestination. But it is not exactly free will, either.
    So what is it? Do we really have a choice as to when to move on to
    whatever comes next? If not, then what is our reason for being?

    When it is your time to go, it is your time to go. That is the
    law of the universe. No way around it. Even if you somehow manage
    to cheat the hangman by changing the rules of the game, the universe
    has ways of correcting itself.

    If you don't believe me, try jumping off a cliff. If it was your
    time to go, that will be the end of you. If not, consider yourself
    saved by the universe fixing a mistake.

    --Lee

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 25 12:38:26 2017
    Re: The Meaning of Life
    By: Lee Lofaso to Allen Prunty on Tue Apr 25 2017 04:37 am

    Life is not too short. Life is whatever time we are alotted
    by the one who made us. While it may seem some have been shorted
    whatever life they had been granted, such perception is misleading.

    You can live to be a ripe age of 100 years and in the great scheme of things it's only a flash in the pan compaired to how long the universe has existed. Life is to short no matter how many times you ride the earth around the sun.

    We all should make the most of every moment... just like you take the time to make the most of every post you can. Francene had fewer moments than some but I can assure you, if you know exactly who she was, she made every damn one of them count.

    Allen

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Apr 26 03:31:40 2017
    What is the meaning of life? Is it simply to exist, for the sake
    of existing? Or is there real purpose, a reason for being? If there
    is real purpose, then what is that reason for being? Can it ever be known? Or is it something one can only hope to believe?

    If, as an adult, you still haven't realized the meaning of life, I can only conclude that you are just wasting resources here on Earth to no avail.

    No, the meaning of life has nothing to do with any of the fairy tales that various religious self-appointed "leaders" try to impose on you. It's simple Darwin theory:

    The only reason that you are given the opportunity to live as any kind of species is that you are expected to leave a generation behind you that is slightly more apt to survival in your present environment than what you had.

    It's easy as that. No religious mumble-jumble needed, just that.

    So, once you can lean back and enjoy your kids and your grandkids, and make sure that they are a wee bit smarter than you ever was, you've done it.

    If you grow old and have neither smarter kids than you or even any kids at all, you have failed humanity and would have done us all a favour if you had become an embarrassing stain on your parents bed sheets.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Allen Prunty on Wed Apr 26 04:45:36 2017
    Hello Allen,

    Life is not too short. Life is whatever time we are alotted
    by the one who made us. While it may seem some have been shorted
    whatever life they had been granted, such perception is misleading.

    You can live to be a ripe age of 100 years and in the great scheme of
    things
    it's only a flash in the pan compaired to how long the universe has existed. Life is to short no matter how many times you ride the earth around the sun.

    "Plato says that the unexamined life is not worth living. But
    what if the examined life turns out to be a clunker as well?"
    ~ Kurt Vonnegut, Wampeters, Fome and Granfalloons

    We all should make the most of every moment...

    What total hogwash! To prove that point, some years ago me and
    a few friends decided to go see a movie. There was a long line to
    get tickets, so we decided to cut in front of everybody else so as
    not have to wait. This caused quite a ruckus, as those people in
    line started complaining, very loudly, at what we were doing.
    But lo and behold a group of students from Poland saved us, by
    reminding the unruly crowd that they never had to stand in line
    to see a show in their country.

    just like you take the time to make the most of every post you can.

    I have to type with my fingers rather than talk into a microphone.
    So at least I have an excuse.

    Francene had fewer moments than some but I can assure you, if you know exactly who she was, she made every damn one of them count.

    “Just tell me why; why the fucking why?" To which the universe would
    hollowly respond, "My ways cannot be known, oh man." Which is to say,
    "My ways do not make sense, nor do the ways of those who dwell in me.”
    ~ Philip K. Dick, VALIS

    The question is what is the meaning of life, not how competent one
    was in his/her profession. Everybody has a purpose in life. That is
    not the same thing as one's profession or former profession.

    "Everyone now knows how to find the meaning of life within himself."
    ~ Kurt Vonnegut, The Sirens of Titan

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to LEE LOFASO on Sun Apr 30 17:53:00 2017
    On 04-26-17, LEE LOFASO said to ALLEN PRUNTY:


    "Plato says that the unexamined life is not worth living. But
    what if the examined life turns out to be a clunker as well?"
    ~ Kurt Vonnegut, Wampeters, Fome and Granfalloons


    We all should make the most of every moment...


    But lo and behold a group of students from Poland saved us, by
    reminding the unruly crowd that they never had to stand in line
    to see a show in their country.


    No doubt! They'd been showing the same politically-correct, Party-approved, subject-neutral, dull-ass movie over and over again week after week, since
    the days Nikita kruschev was premier of the Soviet Union! There WASN'T
    any line! They were probably the only ones attending and had the whole theatre to themselves!







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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to TIM RICHARDSON on Tue May 2 00:43:46 2017
    Hello Tim,

    "Plato says that the unexamined life is not worth living. But
    what if the examined life turns out to be a clunker as well?"
    ~ Kurt Vonnegut, Wampeters, Fome and Granfalloons


    We all should make the most of every moment...


    But lo and behold a group of students from Poland saved us, by
    reminding the unruly crowd that they never had to stand in line
    to see a show in their country.


    No doubt! They'd been showing the same politically-correct,
    Party-approved,
    subject-neutral, dull-ass movie over and over again week after week, since the days Nikita kruschev was premier of the Soviet Union! There WASN'T any line! They were probably the only ones attending and had the whole theatre to themselves!

    You don't realize how true that is. This was back in the 70s, when
    everything was controlled by the state. Chuck Mangione, a trumpeter
    and flugelhorn specialist, accidentally sparked a revolution when he
    played "Children of Sanchez" at a concert in Poland, not realizing
    how starved for music the people were.

    Solidarity, the movement that toppled the Polish regime, adopted
    Mangione's song as its anthem. No regime can quiet a crowd once it
    starts singing.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Thu Jun 14 14:12:11 2018
    Hello Everybody,

    Two sysops (Gerritt Kuehn and Bjrn Felten) brought up some
    interesting questions in another echo the other day -

    -=begin quote=-

    So tell me, is it painful being a complete failure as a
    human being? If it's not, it sure should be.

    What are your definition of complete failure?

    The only purpose of every human being is of course to procreate
    and leave a generation better than your own. And then there's the BF>religious crap of course, but just let us leave that for the time
    being.

    So, once again, what are your requisite for a non-failure human
    being?

    -=end quote=-

    In the story "A Boy and His Dog", by Harlan Ellison, these very
    same questions were raised. A boy (Vic) and his dog (Blood) are
    travelling through wastelands after the devastation of a global
    five-day nuclear war. A girl by the name of Quilla Holmes
    seduces Vic, separating him from Blood. The boy is dependent
    on his dog for survival, as his dog is telepathic. At the
    end of the day, the boy faces a dilemma. The three of them
    are starving, and all will die if they get nothing to eat.
    The boy realizes there is only enough food to save either the
    girl or the dog (aside from himself). So who does he save?
    Well, we all know the answer to that. A dog is a boy's best
    friend ...

    Here is the dilemma raised by Ellison in his story -

    Which is more important - self-preservation or procreation of
    the species?

    The boy chose self-preservation, as he needed his telepathic
    dog for survival. Even if it meant the end of the human race.

    Ellison wrote a joke at the end of his story, having the dog
    ask the boy, "Want a leg?" The boy answered, "I'm not hungry."

    --Lee

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