• Refugees to Sweeden

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Allen Prunty on Mon Mar 20 20:36:36 2017
    Hello Allen,

    If we did kinda like the US is doing: make our embassies really becoming a
    part of Swedish territory, and made it possible for any refugee to escape
    to that embassy and get a free visa to go to Sweden and even a free
    flight ticked (rather than spending thousands of Euro for illegal
    transports) we'd

    You know... I would declair myself a refugee and find a Sweedish embassy. Hope they have meatballs on the flight there. #lookingtoescapethismess

    The destination of choice for refugees from the US is New Zealand.
    Must be the beaches rather than the snow that turns them on. After
    all, most are from California, the land of golden sunshine. Or is
    that Florida?

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Mar 22 13:54:06 2017
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Allen Prunty on Monday March 20 2017 at 20:36:

    The destination of choice for refugees from the US is New Zealand.
    Must be the beaches rather than the snow that turns them on. After
    all, most are from California, the land of golden sunshine. Or is
    that Florida?

    Florida, too, but you'd better like high humidity and baking heat.

    As for emigration... Sweden may be great for people who love cold and rain, plus many time the taxes they pay in the States.

    And New Zealand is not that excited about getting new emigrants - there are quite a number of restrictions.

    PLUS: the USA is one of only two countries in the world (Ethiopia being the other) that taxes it's citizens even when they live overseas and all their income comes from sources outside the States. This has been mentioned in several Internet articles as one of the reasons people living and working overseas for unlimited periods are giving up their US citizenship. However, the
    procedure has become expensive and complex: if the IRS even suspects you are giving up your citizenship to avoid US taxes, there can be very nasty consequences.

    My advice to anyone considering emigration would be to avoid panic, stay put if
    your situation is reasonably stable, and see what happens. Always weigh the advantages against the disadvantages. Panic and hasty decisions are your worst enemies.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Robert Bashe on Wed Mar 22 22:23:54 2017
    As for emigration... Sweden may be great for people who love cold and rain, plus many time the taxes they pay in the States.

    If only I knew where this myth comes from. None of it is true.

    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch from Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast. Would you say that the climate in Alaska
    and Mexico is the same?

    And then about taxes, isn't it at least a wee bit interesting what you get for your tax money? Do you prefer to waste it on illegal wars all over the world, or would you rather spend it on welfare?



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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Bjrn Felten on Wed Mar 22 18:33:00 2017
    Bjorn Felten wrote to Robert Bashe on 03-22-17 22:23 <=-

    As for emigration... Sweden may be great for people who love cold and rain, plus many time the taxes they pay in the States.

    Geography is a dying subject here... hell, people can't even name the 50 states anymore.

    If only I knew where this myth comes from. None of it is true.

    I've always marveled at the beautiful, tanned Swedish women. Maybe some don't think the sun ever comes up there.

    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch from Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast. Would you say that the
    climate in Alaska and Mexico is the same?

    Not quite... San Diege to Portland, Oregon would be more like it. :)


    And then about taxes, isn't it at least a wee bit interesting what
    you get for your tax money? Do you prefer to waste it on illegal wars
    all over the world, or would you rather spend it on welfare?

    $600+ billion and he wants to add another $54 billion. Lots of free healthcare there... ;)

    I'd rather see it called social reform...



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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Bjrn Felten on Wed Mar 22 19:51:42 2017
    Re: Sweden myths
    By: Bjrn Felten to Robert Bashe on Wed Mar 22 2017 22:23:55

    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch from Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast. Would you say that the climate in Alaska and Mexico is the same?


    I would do another fact check on the US distance. I drive from my place to Central Florida, and it is 2100 Km. If I drive from where my mother used to live, it is about 350 km less


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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/102 to Robert Bashe on Thu Mar 23 21:15:32 2017
    ͹ Robert Bashe ͻ
    My advice to anyone considering emigration would be to avoid panic, stay
    put if your situation is reasonably stable, and see what happens. Always
    weigh the advantages against the disadvantages. Panic and hasty decisions
    are your worst enemies.
    ͼ

    The talk show host Art Bell moved to the Philippines where he expatriated himself and married a Philippine woman. He tried numerous times to return to the USA and they would not let him come back with his wife for some reason.
    I can't remember what he had to do to finally get back to the USA with his wife, but it took a lot of time to get back.

    I've always wondered if you were American you write English well. I always enjoy your posts. Where are you from and where do you live?

    Allen

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Allen Prunty on Fri Mar 24 10:30:20 2017
    Allen Prunty wrote to Robert Bashe on Thursday March 23 2017 at 21:15:

    I've always wondered if you were American you write English well. I
    always enjoy your posts. Where are you from and where do you live?

    Thanks for the compliment.

    I was born in Texas, and spent the first 24 years of my life in the States. Went to Germany in 1966 on a post-doc (I'm a Ph.D. in organic chemistry), enjoyed the cosmopolitan feeling of Europe, and stayed on. Became a German-only
    citizen (no US citizenship anymore) in the early 1990s, as it was clear I'd be staying here permanently (wife, son and job here), and after 18 years as a chemist in industry became a free-lance translator (German-English-German) in 1987. Retired since 2005. I've lived in the Ruhr basin area since 1984, and have gotten used to it as "home".

    That's about the story. My native language is (American) English, and I speak fluent German with an accent, which some people here find "charming" ;-)

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Bjrn Felten on Fri Mar 24 11:03:14 2017
    Bjrn Felten wrote to Robert Bashe on Wednesday March 22 2017 at 22:23:

    As for emigration... Sweden may be great for people who love cold and
    rain, plus many time the taxes they pay in the States.

    If only I knew where this myth comes from. None of it is true.

    Since you are a Swede, I'm not surprised at your reaction. But "Methinks thou dost protest too much" is my impression.

    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch
    from Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast. Would you say that the
    climate in Alaska and Mexico is the same?

    No, but I wouldn't place Sweden anywhere near Mexico or California in climate. More like northern Oregon, heading further north to the Arctic Circle. I spent a summer in southern Sweden one time, and the weather was cool and bit rainy - nothing like the southern parts of North America. The blueberries were good, however ;-)

    Still, I lke it warm in summer, and German summers are quite cool enough for me. Further north isn't my cup of tea.

    And then about taxes, isn't it at least a wee bit interesting what you
    get for your tax money? Do you prefer to waste it on illegal wars all
    over the world, or would you rather spend it on welfare?

    Actually, I still am convinced that I know what's best for me, and prefer low taxes that allow me to do what benefits me personally. I'm not one of those who
    worship governments because they take such "good care" of us, but in Sweden you
    have no real choice. Germany's similar, with regard to welfare, but not quite as extreme as the Nordic countries. The taxes are lower and there is some modicom of security both in the legal sense (German labor laws) and the financial sense (various programs to avoid severe need).

    I wouldn't care for "Big Brother" government to make all decisions for me - over my head - but people are different in that respect. Look at you ;-)

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Robert Bashe on Fri Mar 24 12:52:14 2017
    Actually, I still am convinced that I know what's best for me, and
    prefer low taxes that allow me to do what benefits me personally.

    I guess that the millions upon millions of US people who has been forced to abandon their homes (how do you tell your children that they cannot go home because there is no longer a home), who was ruined by medical bills or has to ask for food stamps because they lost their jobs, thought so too.

    Here in most of Europe we regard the majority of our taxes as insurance premiums. Insurances that cover all of the above at all times.

    To each his own...


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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to BJRN FELTEN on Sat Mar 25 23:26:00 2017
    On 03-22-17, Bjrn Felten said to Robert Bashe:

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    As for emigration... Sweden may be great for people who love cold and
    rain, plus many time the taxes they pay in the States.

    If only I knew where this myth comes from. None of it is true.

    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch from BF>Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast.


    No it isn't. From Tijuana to Alaska is around 5700 km. Or 3540 or so miles.




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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Tim Richardson on Sun Mar 26 09:19:00 2017
    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch from
    Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast.

    No it isn't. From Tijuana to Alaska is around 5700 km. Or 3540 or so
    miles.

    Since I was talking about the US coast, I obviously wasn't including the Canadian coast. My mistake. I still think that the US west coast is about 2000km -- birds way.

    But never mind, that wasn't my point...



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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Bjrn Felten on Sat Mar 25 11:09:06 2017
    Bjrn Felten wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday March 24 2017 at 12:52:

    Here in most of Europe we regard the majority of our taxes as
    insurance premiums. Insurances that cover all of the above at all
    times.

    COMPULSORY insurance premiums.

    To each his own...

    Indeed. Although you may not believe it, there are Germans who are no friends of high taxes, regardless of what is claimed to be the purpose. I might note that the Germans differentiate between taxes (no obligation to use the income for a specific purpose, even if one is claimed when they are introduced) and compulsory "fees" (Abgaben), which are indeed bound to a specific purpose (although even these are often not used for the stated purpose). Taxes are by far the greatest percentage.

    ;-) And there have even been Swedes who emigrated to avoid the high taxes. I might mention Ingmar Bergman or the founder of IKEA. Successful people. Those who enjoy the benefits paid by others naturally remain in Sweden.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Robert Bashe on Sun Mar 26 12:20:24 2017
    insurance premiums. Insurances that cover all of the above at all
    times.

    COMPULSORY insurance premiums.

    BOC! If they are not compulsory, many people (like you) will try to dodge it. But then, when you are struck with misfortune, you are likely to regret your choice, no?

    What if you decide not to have a home insurance and your house burns down? Wouldn't you have wished you were obliged to have that insurance?

    What about car insurance? You may lose your car in an accident, but what about all the third party damages you may cause? Who will pay for that if *your* non existent insurance doesn't cover it all?


    Anyhow, I know from some two decades of discussions with you, Robert, that you and I will never agree -- and I still respect you, believe it or not. 8-)



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  • From Robert Bashe@2:2448/44 to Bjrn Felten on Mon Mar 27 10:34:56 2017
    Bjrn Felten wrote to Robert Bashe on Sunday March 26 2017 at 12:20:

    insurance premiums. Insurances that cover all of the above at all
    times.

    COMPULSORY insurance premiums.

    BOC! If they are not compulsory, many people (like you) will try to
    dodge it. But then, when you are struck with misfortune, you are
    likely to regret your choice, no?

    You were referring to _government_ subsidies, paid by high taxes. Forgotten that already?

    Then you cite examples of VOLUNTARY insurance. What point does that "prove"?

    People who have no house don't need COMPULSORY insurance, nor do people who have no car. But in Sweden, the government doesn't ask. It decides over your head and bills you in the form of high taxes.

    Anyhow, I know from some two decades of discussions with you, Robert,
    that you and I will never agree -- and I still respect you, believe it
    or not.

    Same here, but you DO insist on having your way. Just stick to the facts, if you don't mind. I wouldn't be happy in Sweden. You are. Let's leave it at that.

    Cheers, Bob

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bjrn Felten on Mon Mar 27 19:26:02 2017
    Hello Bjrn,

    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about BF>>the stretch
    from Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast.

    No it isn't. From Tijuana to Alaska is around 5700 km. TR>Or 3540 or so
    miles.

    Since I was talking about the US coast, I obviously wasn't including the Canadian coast. My mistake. I still think that the US west coast is about 2000km -- birds way.

    But never mind, that wasn't my point...

    Australia has everybody beat with its coast. Start anywhere
    you want and just keep going and going and going ...

    --Lee

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to BJRN FELTEN on Tue Mar 28 15:20:00 2017
    On 03-26-17, Bjrn Felten said to Tim Richardson:

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    For starters, Sweden is almost 1800km long. That's about the stretch BF>from BF>> Mexico to Alaska on the US west coast.


    No it isn't. From Tijuana to Alaska is around 5700 km. Or 3540 or so
    miles.



    Since I was talking about the US coast,


    From Mexico to Alaska isn't *just* the `US west coast. It also involves a
    large part of Canada.


    See your own words right up there? It says (and I quote) "Thats about the stretch from Mexico to Alaska...."!


    I obviously wasn't including the
    Canadian coast.


    You obviously WERE since you stated (and I quote) ".....from Mexico to Alaska..."!


    My mistake. I still think that the US west coast is about
    2000km -- birds way.


    You weren't speaking of `the US west coast' only....you were speaking of "...the stretch from Mexico to Alaska...."


    But never mind, that wasn't my point...


    Nobody knows what your "...point..." was. Not even you.





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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Bjrn Felten on Thu Feb 23 14:08:16 2017
    Re: Illegitimate President
    By: Bjorn Felten to Bill McGarrity on Thu Feb 23 2017 07:54 am

    If we did kinda like the US is doing: make our embassies really becoming a part of Swedish territory, and made it possible for any refugee to escape to that embassy and get a free visa to go to Sweden and even a free flight ticked (rather than spending thousands of Euro for illegal transports) we'd

    You know... I would declair myself a refugee and find a Sweedish embassy. Hope they have meatballs on the flight there. #lookingtoescapethismess

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