• Last Man On Moon Dies

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Fri Jan 27 04:04:00 2017
    Hello Mike,



    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    Wait, what? Does Buzz Aldrin need to punch you in the head too?

    Not many young people (especially women under 30) believe
    man ever set foot on the Moon. Polls have been taken on this
    subject, and most people worldwide do not believe it to be
    true. In fact, most people have no experience of this, only
    hearsay or from what they have been taught in school.

    The last man who allegedly set foot on the Moon did so
    some 45 years ago. Most people alive today had not even
    yet been born. So why should they believe such a fairy
    tale?

    "We have missiles that can hit a target as far away as the Moon."

    In other words, it was a PR stunt, the US showing off to the
    world what its missiles were capable of, while at the same time
    giving the impression that the USSR had no such capability.

    Nobody would be interested in following a story about a missile
    hitting a target on the Moon. But everybody would be interested
    in following a story about men setting foot on the Moon. It
    didn't have to be true. Only believable. Unnerstan'?

    Why did so many people believe NASA actually landed a man
    on the Moon? Because people wanted to believe. Not that it
    really happened.


    1. Good telescopes pointed at the moon can see the landers.

    It's a full moon tonight. And you know what that means.
    I can see the man in the moon. Even without a telescope.
    But I have never seen a man on the moon. And nobody else
    has, either. Except maybe Jules Verne, and the characters
    he wrote about in his novel.

    2. You can point a laser at a mirror that was placed on the moon and it will reflect back. It's how we know the moon is actually moving away from the earth a few inches per year.

    That has been explained years ago. Reflectors being placed
    on the surface of the moon are not dependent on man being
    physically present to do so. Space agencies have landed
    robots on the moon, and also on Mars. Placing reflectors
    on the surface of a planetary body is easy compared to that
    task. Dropping them in place would work, as no further
    movement would be required.

    3. There are rocks that have been brought back from the moon. They didn't just scoop them up from the desert and say "Look! moonrocks!"

    Geologists have found many rocks that are not of terrestrial
    origin right here on planet earth. No need to spend billions
    or trillions of taxpayer dollars when the same kind of rocks
    can be gathered in Antarctica or other desolate places at far
    less expense. Also, we get space rocks (meteorites) land in
    areas where not much travel to find them is required.

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive, and so amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake moon landings" a secret for all these years?

    Our politicians gave some of those rocks away to foreign
    politicians as gifts. So what makes you think any of them
    were real? Oh, some of them could have been meteorites.
    And some of them could have been fragments of the moon's
    surface that came crashing to the earth as a result of
    meteorites impacting the moon. But none of that proves
    that man has ever set foot on the moon.

    Scientists and geologists can determine if a rock is of
    terrestrial origin or not of terrestrial origin. But not
    anything more specific. Is the non-terrestrial object
    from the moon? From Mars? From some other planetary
    body? How can anybody know for sure?

    --Lee

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to MIKE MILLER on Fri Jan 27 03:37:00 2017
    On 01-26-17, Mike Miller said to Lee Lofaso:

    Hello Mike,

    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    Wait, what? Does Buzz Aldrin need to punch you in the head too?

    Not many young people (especially women under 30) believe
    man ever set foot on the Moon. Polls have been taken on this
    subject, and most people worldwide do not believe it to be
    true. In fact, most people have no experience of this, only
    hearsay or from what they have been taught in school.

    The last man who allegedly set foot on the Moon did so
    some 45 years ago. Most people alive today had not even
    yet been born. So why should they believe such a fairy
    tale?

    "We have missiles that can hit a target as far away as the Moon."

    In other words, it was a PR stunt, the US showing off to the
    world what its missiles were capable of, while at the same time
    giving the impression that the USSR had no such capability.

    Nobody would be interested in following a story about a missile
    hitting a target on the Moon. But everybody would be interested
    in following a story about men setting foot on the Moon. It
    didn't have to be true. Only believable. Unnerstan'?

    Why did so many people believe NASA actually landed a man
    on the Moon? Because people wanted to believe. Not that it
    really happened.


    1. Good telescopes pointed at the moon can see the landers.

    2. You can point a laser at a mirror that was placed on the moon and it MM>will reflect back. It's how we know the moon is actually moving away from MM>the earth a few inches per year.

    3. There are rocks that have been brought back from the moon. They didn't MM>just scoop them up from the desert and say "Look! moonrocks!"

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive, and so MM>amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake moon landings" a MM>secret for all these years?


    I thought I sent you a post on this. Maybe not.


    Anyway.....don't get into a discussion with Lofaso on this subject.


    As is typical of him, everything goes along fine and suddenly he goes
    off on one of his mind-bending claims like the subject at hand; the Moon landings, and the American astronauts who've been there, walked on the Moon
    and returned.


    You'll do nothing but beat your head against your keyboard with him on this, and he will aggravate you on the subject no end.


    The truth is:


    American astronauts have been TO the Moon...LANDED on the Moon...and WALKED on the Moon.


    The whole World knows it.....you and I know it....and so does Lee Lofaso.


    Don't waste your time and energy arguing this with him, you'll only piss yourself off, and amuse him no end. Forget it.





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  • From Al Kaiser@1:142/926 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jan 27 11:07:24 2017
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Al Kaiser Subject: Last Man On Moon Dies

    A similar program has just been started, intended to send
    signals in hopes other (alien) species will find out about us. I
    find this extremely dangerous for our own survival, kind of like
    inviting potential hostile beings to wipe us all out.

    Steven Haking has the same concern, I think they are unfounded. Many Science Fiction shows have been written about other intellegent life being malovent rather than benovelent. I tend to look at us a the socitiy with issues and subscribe to the Gene Rodenbery theory of things.


    What appears to us may not be the same to them. We have no
    idea what an alien might look like, much less what an alien needs
    to survive. What is suitable for us, may be highly toxic to them.
    What is toxic to us, might be very pleasant for them. We have no
    way or knowing, or telling.

    Which is shown in Star Wars and Star Trek episodes many times over. And I believe this too. It is a strange thing though that everyone who has claimed to have come in contact with other intellegent life forms have described and even drawn the same general form of being, a "grey". And none of these people ever had contact with each other.

    What has man accomplished? Very little. The automobile is
    nothing more than an updated version of the chariot. Same concept,
    only instead of using horses for power we use horsepower contained
    in a metal block. Original ideas are few, perhaps one per century. Everything else is built on ideas that have come before and proven
    to work.

    Genius is using what exists and finding unique ways to make it
    work. John McEnroe was/is not a very talented tennis player. But
    his way of playing was pure genius. If man is to travel to other
    planets, he will have to learn how to apply his own genius to
    accomplish the task.

    But of all the milions of years that the earth has been habital man has only been on it for a fraction of a second in time. And this is what we have accomplished. Give us another million years and see where we are. Lets talk about it then and see what we find.


    Al Kaiser n1api@cox.net <=-

    Have a nice day, Lee!

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to All on Fri Jan 27 15:17:00 2017
    Tim Richardson wrote to MIKE MILLER <=-

    On 01-26-17, Mike Miller said to Lee Lofaso:

    Hello Mike,

    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    Wait, what? Does Buzz Aldrin need to punch you in the head too?

    Not many young people (especially women under 30) believe
    man ever set foot on the Moon. Polls have been taken on this
    subject, and most people worldwide do not believe it to be
    true. In fact, most people have no experience of this, only
    hearsay or from what they have been taught in school.

    The last man who allegedly set foot on the Moon did so
    some 45 years ago. Most people alive today had not even
    yet been born. So why should they believe such a fairy
    tale?

    "We have missiles that can hit a target as far away as the Moon."

    In other words, it was a PR stunt, the US showing off to the
    world what its missiles were capable of, while at the same time
    giving the impression that the USSR had no such capability.

    Nobody would be interested in following a story about a missile
    hitting a target on the Moon. But everybody would be interested
    in following a story about men setting foot on the Moon. It
    didn't have to be true. Only believable. Unnerstan'?

    Why did so many people believe NASA actually landed a man
    on the Moon? Because people wanted to believe. Not that it
    really happened.


    1. Good telescopes pointed at the moon can see the landers.

    2. You can point a laser at a mirror that was placed on the moon and it
    will reflect back. It's how we know the moon is actually moving away from
    the earth a few inches per year.

    3. There are rocks that have been brought back from the moon. They didn't
    just scoop them up from the desert and say "Look! moonrocks!"

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive, and so
    amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake moon landings" a
    secret for all these years?


    I thought I sent you a post on this. Maybe not.


    Anyway.....don't get into a discussion with Lofaso on this subject.


    As is typical of him, everything goes along fine and suddenly he goes
    off on one of his mind-bending claims like the subject at hand; the
    Moon landings, and the American astronauts who've been there, walked on the Moon and returned.


    You'll do nothing but beat your head against your keyboard with him on this, and he will aggravate you on the subject no end.


    The truth is:


    American astronauts have been TO the Moon...LANDED on the Moon...and WALKED on the Moon.


    The whole World knows it.....you and I know it....and so does Lee
    Lofaso.


    Don't waste your time and energy arguing this with him, you'll only
    piss yourself off, and amuse him no end. Forget it.


    Looks like the honeymoon is over. Wonder if a Melania "look" was involved?


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Tim Richardson on Fri Jan 27 22:16:48 2017
    Hello Tim,

    The truth is:

    Whose truth? Yours, or mine? Somebody else's? Who knows
    what the truth is? All truth is subjective, everything relative
    to our own point of view.

    American astronauts have been TO the Moon...

    Prove it.

    LANDED on the Moon...

    Prove it.

    and WALKED on the Moon.

    Prove it.

    NASA claims to have landed a man on the moon and returned him
    safely back to earth. But it is only a claim, with no absolute
    proof having been shown.

    The claim that 12 men have landed and walked on the moon may
    be pure fiction. Or not. But without evidence or proof, why
    should anybody believe a claim to be true?

    According to a recent poll taken in late 2016, a clear majority
    of Britons (52%) believe the moon story to be just a story. The
    poll also revealed 73% of Brits believe dinosaurs are fiction.
    The rest of the world believes much the same, very few believing
    NASA's claim of landing men on the moon to have been true.

    If Donald Trump says massive voter fraud exists there are those
    who would believe him just because he said it. Doesn't make it
    true. Numbers don't lie, people do. And sometimes, other people
    believe the lie.

    It doesn't matter who votes. What matters is who counts the votes.
    Hitler knew that. As did Stalin and other dictators. But allowing storytellers to tell the truth can never be allowed. Which is why
    storytellers tell stories.

    NASA tells a story because it serves somebody's purpose. What
    was the purpose of flying a rocketship to the moon? To show the
    Russians that we had missiles capable of hitting a pinpoint target
    240,000 miles away. It had nothing to do with landing a man on
    the moon. That was pure fiction.

    The whole World knows it.....

    The vast majority of the world's population does not believe
    such a landing ever took place.

    you and I know it....

    I know nothing. You know nothing. The astronauts who took part
    in the ruse are aware of the ruse. As is NASA and others who took
    part.

    and so does Lee Lofaso.

    I have never been to the moon. Nor has anyone else.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Fri Jan 27 23:12:10 2017
    Hello Bill,

    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    [..]

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive, and so
    amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake moon landings" a
    secret for all these years?

    I thought I sent you a post on this. Maybe not.

    Anyway.....don't get into a discussion with Lofaso on this subject.

    As is typical of him, everything goes along fine and suddenly he goes
    off on one of his mind-bending claims like the subject at hand; the
    Moon landings, and the American astronauts who've been there, walked on
    the Moon and returned.

    You'll do nothing but beat your head against your keyboard with him on
    this, and he will aggravate you on the subject no end.

    The truth is:

    [..]

    Don't waste your time and energy arguing this with him, you'll only
    piss yourself off, and amuse him no end. Forget it.

    Looks like the honeymoon is over. Wonder if a Melania "look" was
    involved?

    http://tinyurl.com/glarc5s

    The majority of Brits (52%) agree with me.
    That means you and Tim are in the minority.
    Don't you love it?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Al Kaiser on Fri Jan 27 23:12:20 2017
    Hello Al,

    A similar program has just been started, intended to send
    signals in hopes other (alien) species will find out about us. I
    find this extremely dangerous for our own survival, kind of like
    inviting potential hostile beings to wipe us all out.

    Steven Haking has the same concern, I think they are unfounded. Many Science Fiction shows have been written about other intellegent life
    being
    malovent rather than benovelent. I tend to look at us a the socitiy with issues and subscribe to the Gene Rodenbery theory of things.

    We cannot afford to be wrong even once. So why take the chance?
    Aliens certainly know better than to advertise their presence.
    Which is why they may remain alive, rather than a pile of dust.
    It would also explain why it is so very difficult for us to find
    them. Assuming they exist.

    Which is more important -

    Survival?
    Or procreation of the species?

    Without survival, there can be no procreation of the species.
    So the answer must be obvious. Or so it may seem. And yet, man
    has devised so many different and various ways to off himself ...

    What appears to us may not be the same to them. We have no
    idea what an alien might look like, much less what an alien needs
    to survive. What is suitable for us, may be highly toxic to them.
    What is toxic to us, might be very pleasant for them. We have no
    way or knowing, or telling.

    Which is shown in Star Wars and Star Trek episodes many times over.

    Star Wars is George Lucas' moral story of WWII told in a futuristic
    way. Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek tales was not his greatest creation,
    but rather his most famous. His true vision of man and his future was
    revealed in Earth: Final Conflict.

    And I believe this too.

    Works of fiction can show us much more about ourselves than any
    collection of facts, whether historical or scientific.

    It is a strange thing though that everyone who has claimed to have come in contact with other intellegent life forms have described and even drawn
    the
    same general form of being, a "grey". And none of these people ever had contact with each other.

    It is not strange at all. Quite normal, when you think about it.
    Draw a picture of an alien. Whatever you draw, it will resemble
    something that is familiar to you, based on your own experiences.
    Since you are human (I assume), and no humans have had any known
    contact with aliens, then your only experience would be based on
    that.

    If you saw true alien being, you would have no idea it was even
    a lifeform, much less an alien being. I doubt you would recognize
    an alien lifeform even if you were looking for it. You just have
    nothing to compare it to, so would be totally lost.

    What has man accomplished? Very little. The automobile is
    nothing more than an updated version of the chariot. Same concept,
    only instead of using horses for power we use horsepower contained
    in a metal block. Original ideas are few, perhaps one per century.
    Everything else is built on ideas that have come before and proven
    to work.

    Genius is using what exists and finding unique ways to make it
    work. John McEnroe was/is not a very talented tennis player. But
    his way of playing was pure genius. If man is to travel to other
    planets, he will have to learn how to apply his own genius to
    accomplish the task.

    But of all the milions of years that the earth has been habital man has
    only
    been on it for a fraction of a second in time. And this is what we have accomplished. Give us another million years and see where we are. Lets talk about it then and see what we find.

    How far back does man's memory go? Only a few thousand years.
    The oldest ruins are some ten to twelve thousand years old, in
    war zones. When we study history, the history of man begins
    with the Egyptian pyramids, already built. Nothing is said about
    who built them, how, or why.

    In all cultures, throughout the world, it is said the peoples
    who populated those areas emerged from underground, having escaped
    some cataclysmic event that made living on the surface impossible.
    We have had 8,000 years of continuous good weather - an anomoly
    on this planet. We are long overdue for another cataclysmic
    event.

    Where will we go when that cataclysmic event happens? We better
    not be on the surface of this planet. And there are only two places
    we could go if still on the surface. Either up, or down. But with
    no rocketship to go up, that will only give most folks one choice.

    --Lee

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jan 27 17:45:00 2017
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

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    @TZ: 003c
    Hello Bill,

    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    [..]

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive, and so
    amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake moon landings" a
    secret for all these years?

    I thought I sent you a post on this. Maybe not.

    Anyway.....don't get into a discussion with Lofaso on this subject.

    As is typical of him, everything goes along fine and suddenly he goes
    off on one of his mind-bending claims like the subject at hand; the
    Moon landings, and the American astronauts who've been there, walked on
    the Moon and returned.

    You'll do nothing but beat your head against your keyboard with him on
    this, and he will aggravate you on the subject no end.

    The truth is:

    [..]

    Don't waste your time and energy arguing this with him, you'll only
    piss yourself off, and amuse him no end. Forget it.

    Looks like the honeymoon is over. Wonder if a Melania "look" was
    involved?

    http://tinyurl.com/glarc5s

    The majority of Brits (52%) agree with me.
    That means you and Tim are in the minority.
    Don't you love it?

    I wasn't talking about you... your BFF has seemed to turn a deaf ear on you...


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Sat Jan 28 05:04:44 2017
    Hello Bill,

    [..]

    The truth is:

    [..]

    Don't waste your time and energy arguing this with him, you'll only
    piss yourself off, and amuse him no end. Forget it.

    Looks like the honeymoon is over. Wonder if a Melania "look" was
    involved?

    http://tinyurl.com/glarc5s

    The majority of Brits (52%) agree with me.
    That means you and Tim are in the minority.
    Don't you love it?

    I wasn't talking about you... your BFF has seemed to turn a deaf ear on you...

    "The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies
    but also to hate his friends." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

    See there? Tim is on *your* side! :)

    --Lee

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to LEE LOFASO on Sat Jan 28 03:20:00 2017
    On 01-28-17, Lee Lofaso said to Bill McGarrity:


    The truth is:


    Don't waste your time and energy arguing this with him, you'll only
    piss yourself off, and amuse him no end. Forget it.


    Looks like the honeymoon is over. Wonder if a Melania "look" was
    involved?


    http://tinyurl.com/glarc5s


    The majority of Brits (52%) agree with me.
    That means you and Tim are in the minority.
    Don't you love it?


    I wasn't talking about you... your BFF has seemed to turn a deaf ear on you...


    "The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies
    but also to hate his friends." ~Friedrich Nietzsche


    See there? Tim is on *your* side! :)


    *Tim* isn't on anyone's `side'.


    This Moon landings denial of yours is false and pretty well everyone
    is aware of that.


    You aggravated the hell out of everyone with that subject long ago. BTW...
    you demand `proof'. The proof is out there. You can use Google the same as anyone can. You want a wild goose chase for the data on it, only to deny
    any and all data anyone presents. This is an old subject you managed
    to pound into the ground.


    You say the majority of `Brits' agree with you on this? I will pass on the obvious opportunity to demand `proof' from you of that and only point out
    that, if true, it only shows that (52%) of Brits are stupid!


    End of story.








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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to MIKE MILLER on Sat Jan 28 03:22:00 2017
    On 01-27-17, Mike Miller said to Lee Lofaso:


    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive,
    and so amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake
    moon landings" a secret for all these years?


    The silliness of Lofaso's claim that the Moon landings are a government
    hoax was a controversy many years ago, and only succeeded in aggravating
    a lot of people in Fido on both sides of the ocean.


    [snip of unrelated drivel]


    That doesn't answer the question. Do you honestly believe our government MM>is so efficient, and so amazingly well organized that it was able to keep MM>a hoax such as a faked moon landing secret for nearly 50 years?


    It looks like your issue is you just can't wrap your head around how it MM>was done.


    If he really really believes its all a big hoax, that only proves he either slept through a lot of news broadcasts back when it was happening, or he spent a considerable amount of the period that coincides with the Moon missions time frame as an amnesiac.


    I have a hard time wrapping my head around programming languages, that MM>doesn't mean they don't exist.


    He'll drag this denial thing out for months.




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Sat Jan 28 21:33:16 2017
    Hello Mike,

    1. Good telescopes pointed at the moon can see the landers.

    It's a full moon tonight. And you know what that means.
    I can see the man in the moon. Even without a telescope.
    But I have never seen a man on the moon. And nobody else
    has, either. Except maybe Jules Verne, and the characters
    he wrote about in his novel.

    pictures from the Lunar Reconnisance Orbiter: https://www.flickr.com/photos/47833278@N02/17229073722/

    Telescopes are not powerful enough yet to show such small
    detail. Not even pictures taken from an orbiter, as you are
    talking about an object taking up less size than a 50 foot
    square area of dusty rock.

    2. You can point a laser at a mirror that was placed on the
    moon and it will reflect back. It's how we know the moon is
    actually moving away from the earth a few inches per year.

    That has been explained years ago. Reflectors being placed
    on the surface of the moon are not dependent on man being
    physically present to do so. Space agencies have landed
    robots on the moon, and also on Mars. Placing reflectors
    on the surface of a planetary body is easy compared to that
    task. Dropping them in place would work, as no further
    movement would be required.

    Physics and mathematics seem to confound you. The mirrors weren't simply "dropped in place" they had to be placed in a very specific position at a very specific angle. You also don't understand robotics. Such automation wasn't available until the 90's.

    Read my post under the subject heading Moon Reflectors Nonsense.

    Also, no rover was ever launched with that capability.

    The Soviets landed a rover about the same time as the Apollo missions.
    As such, they certainly had the capability. Not that there are any
    such retro reflectors on the Moon. That is all a fiction.

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive,
    and so amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake
    moon landings" a secret for all these years?

    [snip of unrelated drivel]


    That doesn't answer the question. Do you honestly believe our government
    is
    so efficient, and so amazingly well organized that it was able to keep a hoax such as a faked moon landing secret for nearly 50 years?

    "We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle"
    - by Bill Kaysing (self-published 1976)

    This is the Holy Bible that started it all. Kaysing exposed the
    truth, informing the public it was all a sham, the astronauts never
    even launching into space but living it up in the Nevada desert.

    It looks like your issue is you just can't wrap your head around how it
    was
    done.

    It was a television show. President Richard Nixon needed a diversion,
    to keep the public's attention away from Vietnam.

    I have a hard time wrapping my head around programming languages, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

    If you were President of the US, with an unpopular war going on,
    what would you do to keep the public's attention away?

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Tim Richardson on Sun Jan 29 10:59:06 2017
    On 28/01/2017 1:22 AM, Tim Richardson -> MIKE MILLER wrote:

    The silliness of Lofaso's claim that the Moon landings are a government hoax was a controversy many years ago, and only succeeded in aggravating
    a lot of people in Fido on both sides of the ocean.

    Why would his tale "aggravate" people? Do they have their doubts about their faith is being questioned?

    People can always hit the "next key" if they don;t wish to read his posts ...

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to DAVID DRUMMOND on Sat Jan 28 22:54:00 2017
    On 01-29-17, David Drummond said to Tim Richardson:

    @MSGID: <588D4CD2.7329.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    On 28/01/2017 1:22 AM, Tim Richardson -> MIKE MILLER wrote:


    The silliness of Lofaso's claim that the Moon landings are a government hoax was a controversy many years ago, and only succeeded in aggravating
    a lot of people in Fido on both sides of the ocean.


    Why would his tale "aggravate" people? Do they have their doubts about DD>their faith is being questioned?


    You'd have to ask one of those who were led into angry exchanges with him over his silly denials of Moon landings. I wasn't one of them, only read the `many' exchanges back then in the thread.


    Long ago I got used to the way Lofaso goes along quite sensibly conversing for a time, then comes off with some silliness like his Moon landings denials, and he goes down hill from there.


    I know the Moon landings were real. So do you more than likely.


    People can always hit the "next key" if they don;t wish to read his posts


    Why don't we all hit the "next key" with each and every post. Of course then there'd be no message traffic whatever since nobody'd be reading anything just hitting the "next key" whenever they saw anything posted. The end of Fidonet. Last one out be sure to turn out the light.


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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to MIKE MILLER on Sat Jan 28 23:00:00 2017
    On 01-28-17, Lee Lofaso said to Mike Miller:


    ________________________________________________________________________
    The Soviets landed a rover about the same time as the Apollo missions. ________________________________________________________________________


    With that statement he just blew his own silliness right out the window!




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Wed Feb 1 20:30:02 2017
    Hello Mike,

    1. Good telescopes pointed at the moon can see the landers.

    It's a full moon tonight. And you know what that means.
    I can see the man in the moon. Even without a telescope.
    But I have never seen a man on the moon. And nobody else
    has, either. Except maybe Jules Verne, and the characters
    he wrote about in his novel.

    pictures from the Lunar Reconnisance Orbiter:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47833278@N02/17229073722/

    Telescopes are not powerful enough yet to show such small
    detail. Not even pictures taken from an orbiter, as you are
    talking about an object taking up less size than a 50 foot
    square area of dusty rock.

    You are correct about the telescopes, I admit my error. Even the Hubble telescope cannot see the landing sites. You are incorrect about the LRO, however. The link I posted are images from the LRO of those landing
    sites.

    Those images are not proof or evidence that man actually set foot
    on the moon. The only photographic proof or evidence that some claim
    exists are pictures showing the shadows of flags planted by astronauts
    of the Apollo program, with the exception of Apollo 11 (no flag could
    be found).

    2. You can point a laser at a mirror that was placed on the
    moon and it will reflect back. It's how we know the moon is
    actually moving away from the earth a few inches per year.

    That has been explained years ago. Reflectors being placed
    on the surface of the moon are not dependent on man being
    physically present to do so. Space agencies have landed
    robots on the moon, and also on Mars. Placing reflectors
    on the surface of a planetary body is easy compared to that
    task. Dropping them in place would work, as no further
    movement would be required.

    Physics and mathematics seem to confound you. The mirrors
    weren't simply "dropped in place" they had to be placed in a very
    specific position at a very specific angle. You also don't
    understand robotics. Such automation wasn't available until the
    90's.

    Read my post under the subject heading Moon Reflectors Nonsense.

    Also, no rover was ever launched with that capability.

    The Soviets landed a rover about the same time as the Apollo missions.
    As such, they certainly had the capability. Not that there are any
    such retro reflectors on the Moon. That is all a fiction.

    The soviet rovers had reflectors on them, but they were not able to
    receive
    a signal until NASA's LRO was able to re-discover the arrays in 2010 and successfully bounce a signal off of Lunokhod 2.

    It is not necessary to have reflectors planted on the moon to be
    able to bounce photons back to earth. This was explained in an
    article by National Geographic, which I noted in a previous post.

    The Apollo 15 array is 3 times the size of the Lunokhod arrays, and was
    far
    too large for any un-manned rover of the time to deploy.

    So what? No reflectors were needed to begin with. All reflectors
    do is enable more photons to be returned to earth than otherwise.

    Larger retro reflectors could have been placed long after the
    Apollo missions were over. There is no way of telling, as the
    only ones telling the tale are those who made it all up in the
    first place. Would NASA lie to us? If it meant getting or
    keeping federal funding, hell yeah!

    4. DO you really believe the US Government is so secretive,
    and so amazingly good that it could keep a series of "fake
    moon landings" a secret for all these years?

    [snip of unrelated drivel]


    That doesn't answer the question. Do you honestly believe our
    government
    is
    so efficient, and so amazingly well organized that it was able to
    keep a hoax such as a faked moon landing secret for nearly 50
    years?

    "We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle"
    - by Bill Kaysing (self-published 1976)

    This is the Holy Bible that started it all. Kaysing exposed the
    truth, informing the public it was all a sham, the astronauts never
    even launching into space but living it up in the Nevada desert.


    Bill Kaysing was a quack. His evidence was sketchy at best. You really think THOUSANDS of people were able to keep such a secret? really?

    Fox News believed it. Even made a documentary in 2006, based mostly
    on Kaysing's book, on the Moon landing hoax. This documentary was
    very influential, convincing over 20 percent of the American people
    of the real truth - that man never went to the Moon!

    If so, perhaps you should check out your ceiling, the word "gullible" is written on it.

    Fox News is a news organization. Fox News presents the news in
    a fair and balanced manner, so that all can make up their own minds
    as to what is going on in the world. Do you honestly believe that
    some 20 percent of the American people are so "gullible" as to
    believe that Fox News would lie to them? You are talking about
    a major news organization. One that showed a documentary on the
    subject. With people making up their own minds as to what was
    what.

    It looks like your issue is you just can't wrap your head around
    how it
    was
    done.

    It was a television show. President Richard Nixon needed a diversion,
    to keep the public's attention away from Vietnam.

    I have a hard time wrapping my head around programming languages,
    that doesn't mean they don't exist.

    If you were President of the US, with an unpopular war going on,
    what would you do to keep the public's attention away?

    I dunno, what did Bush do?

    He flew over the city of New Orleans as people waved at him
    from their rooftops after Hurricane Katrina made the place a lake.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Wed Feb 1 20:30:22 2017
    Hello Mike,


    ______________________________________________________________________
    __
    The Soviets landed a rover about the same time as the Apollo
    missions.

    ______________________________________________________________________
    __


    With that statement he just blew his own silliness right out the
    window!


    Lunokhod 1 did land in 1971. Lunokhod 2 landed in 1973. It depends upon your definition of "about the same time". Both Apollo 14 and 15 missions took place in 1971, about 6 months apart from each other.

    And OJ Simpson thought he landed on Mars.
    You do remember Capricorn-1 ...

    --Lee

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  • From Tim Richardson@3:770/330 to MIKE MILLER on Wed Feb 1 20:49:00 2017
    On 01-29-17, Mike Miller said to Tim Richardson:

    @MSGID: <588E3BBF.7337.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
    @TZ: 4168

    Hello Tim!

    28 Jan 17 23:00, you wrote to me:

    On 01-28-17, Lee Lofaso said to Mike Miller:


    ______________________________________________________________________
    __
    The Soviets landed a rover about the same time as the Apollo
    missions.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    __


    With that statement he just blew his own silliness right out the
    window!


    Lunokhod 1 did land in 1971. Lunokhod 2 landed in 1973. It depends upon MM>your definition of "about the same time". Both Apollo 14 and 15 missions MM>took place in 1971, about 6 months apart from each other.


    He has claimed no Moon landings ever took place.


    Above, he states the Soviets landed a rover "....about the same time as the Apollo missions".!


    The *Apollo missions* were MANNED missions which visited the Moon, LANDED on the Moon, and returned to Earth!


    He blew up his own claims!






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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Fri Feb 3 23:55:02 2017
    Hello Mike,

    Fox News believed it.

    Oh man, please tell me you're not....

    Unlike that guy who got himself punched in the nose by "Buzz"
    Aldrin, I have an autographed picture of all three astronauts.
    Or rather, had. Got soaked when left outside in the rain.

    Even made a documentary in 2006, based mostly
    on Kaysing's book, on the Moon landing hoax. This documentary was
    very influential, convincing over 20 percent of the American people
    of the real truth - that man never went to the Moon!

    If so, perhaps you should check out your ceiling, the word
    "gullible" is written on it.

    Fox News is a news organization. Fox News presents the news in
    a fair and balanced manner, so that all can make up their own minds
    as to what is going on in the world.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA aHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    That is exactly what they advertise. So why shouldn't you believe
    them? There is truth in advertising, you know.

    "Fox News" is as "Fair and Balanced" as Breitbart. Or, as "The Daily Kos" if you want to go the other direction.

    Fox News is a news network. Breitbart and The Daily Kos are
    television shows. A news network presents the news. A tv show
    is for entertainment. Do note the difference.

    Now if you want to know what is really going on, watch Bill O'Reilly
    and his No-Spin Zone. He tells it like it is, in a way that only he
    can tell it.

    Do you honestly believe that
    some 20 percent of the American people are so "gullible" as to
    believe that Fox News would lie to them? You are talking about
    a major news organization. One that showed a documentary on the
    subject. With people making up their own minds as to what was
    what.

    Absolutely. Trump is president, that's all the evidence that anyone needs that the US is full of gullible people who will believe anything that sounds good.

    Nobody can be that gullable.

    I was having fun with this conversation until you went full retard. You never go full retard.

    I have not gone retard. In fact, I was just getting started.
    Really. I can top what I posted so far quite easily. You do
    realize why some folks are exposing the Moon landing hoax?
    It is because the Moon landing is the ultimate triumph of the
    white race. Notice no black man has ever set foot on the Moon.
    Notice it was OJ Simpson who was the star of Capricorn-1, which
    was about the fake manned landing on Mars ...

    (For those reading this that take offense to the above line, go watch
    Tropic
    Thunder)

    And to think Capricorn-1 had a Jewish director. Defininely
    a conspiracy. A true conspiracy ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Tim Richardson on Fri Feb 3 23:55:20 2017
    Hello Tim,

    ______________________________________________________________________
    __
    The Soviets landed a rover about the same time as the Apollo
    missions.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    __


    With that statement he just blew his own silliness right out the
    window!


    Lunokhod 1 did land in 1971. Lunokhod 2 landed in 1973. It depends
    upon
    your definition of "about the same time". Both Apollo 14 and 15
    missions
    took place in 1971, about 6 months apart from each other.


    He has claimed no Moon landings ever took place.

    NASA made the claim pertaining to the lunar landings.
    Not everybody has been convinced, as many questions remain
    unanswered.

    Above, he states the Soviets landed a rover "....about the same time as
    the
    Apollo missions".!

    Unmanned landings have been made by the US and other countries,
    most notably the former USSR. China is set to do so this month.

    The *Apollo missions* were MANNED missions which visited the Moon, LANDED
    on
    the Moon, and returned to Earth!

    Just because a claim has been made does not make it true.

    He blew up his own claims!

    Not all Apollo missions visited the Moon. One Apollo mission
    never even got off the ground, with all three astronauts perishing
    in a fire.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Tue Jan 17 03:01:14 2017
    Hello Everybody,

    Eugene Cernan, the last man on the moon,
    has died at the age of 82.

    There are now only half a dozen moonwalkers
    remaining among us. And all of them are getting
    older, being in their 80s and hoping to make it
    to another decade here on this planet.

    "...America's challenge of today has forged man's
    destiny of tomorrow. And, as we leave the moon at
    Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and, God willing,
    as we shall return, with peace and hope for all mankind.
    Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17."
    ~Gene Cernan, final last words on the Moon, December 1972

    12 moonwalkers, only 6 of them left alive today -

    Buzz Aldrin (age 87)
    Alan Bean (age 84)
    David Scott (age 84)
    John W. Young (age 86)
    Charles Duke (age 81)
    Harrison Schmitt (age 81)

    It has been 45 years, almost half a century, since
    man has supposedly walked the surface of the Moon.
    All of the moonwalkers having been from the USA,
    with no other country even bothering to attempt
    such an outlandish stunt.

    This month China will be attempting to land a
    spacecraft on the far side of the Moon. Of course,
    there will be no taikonauts on board, but none is
    needed. Just as no cosmonauts had to be on board
    when Russia landed a spacecraft on the Moon a month
    after Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin took their
    little stroll.

    But let's be real. Landing a man (or a woman) on
    another planet (or moon) and returning him (or her)
    safely back to Earth is a big deal. And only the
    USA has managed to accomplish that feat.

    Or so NASA claims ...

    Eugene Cernan, RIP

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jan 17 03:18:42 2017
    But let's be real. Landing a man (or a woman) on
    another planet (or moon) and returning him (or her)
    safely back to Earth is a big deal. And only the
    USA has managed to accomplish that feat.

    The real gain is the technological advancement caused by these expeditions.

    Seeing the electronics of Apollo11 and the capacity of the 8bit-computers it's amazing no-one got killed while flying these ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Al Kaiser@1:142/926 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jan 19 03:02:48 2017
    Lee Lofaso wrote to All Subject: Last Man On Moon Dies

    But let's be real. Landing a man (or a woman) on another
    planet (or moon) and returning him (or her) safely back to Earth is
    a big deal. And only the USA has managed to accomplish that feat.



    Eugene Cernan, RIP

    Sadly the effort to return to the lunar suface never "got off the ground", thanks to no funding for NASA.


    Al Kaiser n1api@cox.net <=-

    That's all for now!

    Al Kaiser - Meriden, CT, 19-Jan-2017 at 3:02.
    Fido : 1:142/926 - Internet : n1api@cox.net

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Al Kaiser on Thu Jan 19 10:12:46 2017
    Al,

    Sadly the effort to return to the lunar suface never "got off the
    ground", thanks to no funding for NASA.

    ... "to return a human" ...

    What needs to be proven? What can be gained from the expense?

    Those 2 little Mars rovers, now one, are properly equiped and provided a mars exploration that with humans would have been unaffordable.

    What was achieved by the Apollo flights?

    1) Proving it can be done
    2) Some rocks were collected (heck, so did the Russians without expensive
    landings of humans)
    3) Technological advancement
    4) One heck of a movie with Tom Hanks

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 19 19:05:56 2017
    Hello Ward,

    Sadly the effort to return to the lunar suface never "got off the
    ground", thanks to no funding for NASA.

    .. "to return a human" ...

    No human has actually set foot on the Moon, much less returned
    to tell the tale.

    What needs to be proven? What can be gained from the expense?

    I enjoyed reading Jules Verne's novel. But most people realize
    it is a work of fiction.

    Those 2 little Mars rovers, now one, are properly equiped and provided a mars exploration that with humans would have been unaffordable.

    John Carter's exploits on Mars are detailed in many fine books
    written by Edgar Rice Burroughs. But like Verne's books, they
    are also works of fiction ...

    What was achieved by the Apollo flights?

    That we could launch ICBM's with men on top?

    1) Proving it can be done

    Proving we can launch missiles is not a difficult task.

    2) Some rocks were collected (heck, so did the Russians without expensive landings of humans)

    Geologists collect rocks all the time. Some of those rocks
    not being of terrestrial origin. So how does that qualify as
    proof that man has actually walked the surface of the Moon?

    3) Technological advancement

    An engineering feat, not so much a technological advancement.
    I do not question the ability to send a missile to the Moon.
    We had the capability to do that, using the technology we
    had then. To repeat the stunt today, it would take us at
    least ten years, and 10,000+ personnel. But that much could
    be done. Expensive, but doable.

    What is not possible is getting a man to the Moon and returning
    him back to Earth. Not alive, anyway.

    What most likely happened is it was all faked. NASA is
    quasi-military, funded by government rather than private
    donors. The US and USSR were engaged in a Cold War, and
    part of that Cold War was the space race, with the race
    to the Moon being a huge symbol of which country would
    be seen by the world as being the winner.

    How many people around the world watched Neil Armstrong
    when he set foot on the Moon? How many people around the
    world believed he actually did it?

    It was all a con, the astronauts living it up in Vegas,
    the Moon Shows having been taped and recorded by Stanley
    Kubrick (director of "2001: A Space Odyssey"). This is
    all common knowledge, and can easily be found by a search
    on google.

    https://theunredacted.com/moon-landings-the-apollo-hoax/

    4) One heck of a movie with Tom Hanks

    Actors (and astronauts) can do anything in Hollyweed (and Vegas).

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 19 19:06:40 2017
    Hello Ward,

    But let's be real. Landing a man (or a woman) on
    another planet (or moon) and returning him (or her)
    safely back to Earth is a big deal. And only the
    USA has managed to accomplish that feat.

    The real gain is the technological advancement caused by these
    expeditions.

    It was mainly an engineering feat, not so much a technological
    advancement. Assuming we had the actual technology to accomplish
    the task, it would take at least ten years to do it again today
    if we tried, given the thousands of people (with necessary skills)
    needed. This country does not have the will, or economic means,
    to do it. And no other country in the world does, either.

    Seeing the electronics of Apollo11 and the capacity of the 8bit-computers it's amazing no-one got killed while flying these ...

    It doesn't take much to start a small fire inside a space capsule.

    27 January 1967 Crew of Apollo I perish in fire ...

    Roger Chafee, RIP
    Virgil Grissom, RIP
    Edward White, RIP

    And lest you think I am picking on American heroes -

    30 June 1971 Crew of Soyuz 11 perish in space ...

    Georgi Dobrovolski, RIP
    Viktor Patsoyev, RIP
    Vladislav Volkov, RIP

    To date, no other humans have been lost in space.
    But a few did get themselves incinerated upon re-entry,
    the remains of their spacecraft falling down over the
    skies of Texas and Louisiana ...

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jan 20 00:13:24 2017

    Lee,

    it's amazing no-one got killed while flying these ...

    It doesn't take much to start a small fire inside a space capsule.

    27 January 1967 Crew of Apollo I perish in fire ...

    I wonder why some people have the perverted attitude of stating the obvious as if everyone else is a moron.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 20 13:15:24 2017

    On Jan 19, 2017 10:12am, Ward Dossche wrote to Al Kaiser:

    1) Proving it can be done
    2) Some rocks were collected (heck, so did the Russians without
    expensive landings of humans)
    3) Technological advancement
    4) One heck of a movie with Tom Hanks

    And that there's nothing we need up there... we will probably find precious metals and materials on asteroids and other planets. We need to look further into the stars and see what else is out there.

    Allen

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Allen Prunty on Fri Jan 20 16:29:08 2017

    On 2017 Jan 20 13:15:24, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    1) Proving it can be done
    2) Some rocks were collected (heck, so did the Russians without
    expensive landings of humans)
    3) Technological advancement
    4) One heck of a movie with Tom Hanks

    And that there's nothing we need up there... we will probably find precious metals and materials on asteroids and other planets. We need
    to look further into the stars and see what else is out there.

    you have to crawl before you can walk... we're still trying to crawl having been successful only a doezn times or so...

    )\/(ark

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    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Al Kaiser on Sun Jan 22 15:18:24 2017
    Hello Al,

    But let's be real. Landing a man (or a woman) on another
    planet (or moon) and returning him (or her) safely back to Earth is
    a big deal. And only the USA has managed to accomplish that feat.



    Eugene Cernan, RIP

    Sadly the effort to return to the lunar suface never "got off the ground", thanks to no funding for NASA.

    No more Cold War. Therefore no more "race to the Moon."

    However, there is hope.

    A new Cold War will bring a "race to Mars."

    Let the Games begin!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Mon Jan 23 00:40:50 2017
    Hello mark,

    1) Proving it can be done
    2) Some rocks were collected (heck, so did the Russians without
    expensive landings of humans)
    3) Technological advancement
    4) One heck of a movie with Tom Hanks

    And that there's nothing we need up there... we will probably find
    precious metals and materials on asteroids and other planets. We need
    to look further into the stars and see what else is out there.

    you have to crawl before you can walk...

    That might have been true for you, but not for me.

    we're still trying to crawl having been successful only a doezn times or so...

    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 23 00:40:56 2017
    Hello Ward,

    it's amazing no-one got killed while flying these ...

    It doesn't take much to start a small fire inside a space capsule.

    27 January 1967 Crew of Apollo I perish in fire ...

    I wonder why some people have the perverted attitude of stating the
    obvious
    as if everyone else is a moron.

    Because the Apollo I launch pad remains as a memorial for all to see.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Allen Prunty on Mon Jan 23 00:41:04 2017
    Hello Allen,

    1) Proving it can be done
    2) Some rocks were collected (heck, so did the Russians without
    expensive landings of humans)
    3) Technological advancement
    4) One heck of a movie with Tom Hanks

    And that there's nothing we need up there...

    Helium 3. Mined from the lunar surface, brought to the Earth,
    used as energy. Fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal) being depleted, this
    new source of energy will be desired by all.

    As the Moon becomes lighter and lighter, other problems will
    crop up. Such as what effect a lighter Moon will have on Earth's
    tides ...

    we will probably find precious metals and materials on asteroids and other planets.

    And what would happen to the price of gold if we somehow manage
    to mine a golden asteroid? No more need for costume jewelry when
    one can get the real thing for just as cheap ...

    We need to look further into the stars and see what else is out there.

    There are no little green men on Mars. They are all right
    here on Planet Earth.

    --Lee

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  • From Al Kaiser@1:142/926 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jan 24 15:53:04 2017
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Al Kaiser Subject: Last Man On Moon Dies

    Hello Al,

    No more Cold War. Therefore no more "race to the Moon."

    However, there is hope.

    A new Cold War will bring a "race to Mars."

    Let the Games begin!

    I'm thinking that the incresed interest in "what's out there" from the scientific community and the concern that eventually we will need to get out there for our species to continue will drive the effort to explore because our sun has a finite life. Yes hundeds of thousands to millions of years but it WILL eventually be the cause of our solars systems destruction.

    SETTI has discovered the first radio signal from an area in space which is considered "regular" and "intentually generated" rather than "random noise", something similar as if someone out there was looking back at us and exploring the frequency spectrum.

    Any person of reason should be able to deduce that with billions of galaxies and trillions of planets "we are not alone" and proabably our knowledge of the universe pales to other species.

    We have also cataloged litteraly thousands of planets in other galaxies. Some rock based and possiblly in what is called the "circumstellar habital zone". The distance from a star where a planet would have the possiblity of having liquid water and a breathable atmosphere.

    Look at all we've accomplished since the the first powered flight, (and there is debate if it was the Wright Brothers or others). Just imagine what where
    we will be in the same time going forward?

    Al Kaiser n1api@cox.net <=-

    Toodeloo!

    Al Kaiser - Meriden, CT, 24-Jan-2017 at 15:53.
    Fido : 1:142/926 - Internet : n1api@cox.net

    .!. You know that tingly little feeling you get when you like
    .!. someone? That's your common sense leaving your body.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Al Kaiser on Wed Jan 25 00:17:56 2017
    Hello Al,

    No more Cold War. Therefore no more "race to the Moon."
    However, there is hope.
    A new Cold War will bring a "race to Mars."
    Let the Games begin!

    I'm thinking that the incresed interest in "what's out there" from the scientific community and the concern that eventually we will need to get out there for our species to continue will drive the effort to explore because our sun has a finite life. Yes hundeds of thousands to millions
    of
    years but it WILL eventually be the cause of our solars systems destruction.

    Why did Europeans wait until 1492 AD to claim the New World as
    their own? Other peoples had come to the Americas long before
    then. Vikings. Chinese. Africans. Pacific Islanders. But
    in general, a people remained in the same place, never venturing
    outside their own habitat.

    Christopher Columbus was Chinese, and wanted to find a way to
    return home. His parents had left him in Genoa when he was a
    baby, or perhaps just his mother. Nobody really knows who his
    real parents were. Or what Columbus himself looked like.

    For most of history, people thought the world was flat.
    Either round like a pancake, or square with four corners.
    This view is reflected in peoples writings, such as the
    Gilgamesh and the Bible.

    It was not until the Middle Ages that people started to
    realize the world was shaped more like an egg or an pear
    than a pancake. This was how Columbus viewed the world.

    But it still took a long time for Europeans to realize
    it was time for them to settle the Americas. Almost a full
    century after Columbus took his little field trips.

    Point is, we will not go to the stars out of curiosity.
    Columbus had a motive. Other explorers also had a motive.
    None of their motives had anything to do with curiosity.

    Every creature that has gone extinct has done so because
    it has lived only in one place. The same will happen to
    man if he remains only on this planet. In other words,
    man is dooming himself by planting the seeds of his own
    destruction.

    What convinced Europeans to settle the Americas?

    A better question would be -

    Who did Europeans send to settle the Americas?
    Likewise, who did the English send to settle Australia?
    And why? The why is just as important as the who.

    SETTI has discovered the first radio signal from an area in space which is considered "regular" and "intentually generated" rather than "random noise", something similar as if someone out there was looking back at us and exploring the frequency spectrum.

    A similar program has just been started, intended to send
    signals in hopes other (alien) species will find out about us.
    I find this extremely dangerous for our own survival, kind of
    like inviting potential hostile beings to wipe us all out.

    Any person of reason should be able to deduce that with billions of
    galaxies
    and trillions of planets "we are not alone" and proabably our knowledge of the universe pales to other species.

    What if we really are all alone in the universe? Our concept
    of life may not be the same as others. An alien species might
    view things far differently, perhaps in ways totally beyond
    comprehension for any of us. To an alien mind, we may appear
    to them as nothing more than bugs or cockroaches.

    We have also cataloged litteraly thousands of planets in other galaxies. Some rock based and possiblly in what is called the "circumstellar habital zone". The distance from a star where a planet would have the possiblity of having liquid water and a breathable atmosphere.

    What appears to us may not be the same to them. We have no
    idea what an alien might look like, much less what an alien needs
    to survive. What is suitable for us, may be highly toxic to them.
    What is toxic to us, might be very pleasant for them. We have
    no way or knowing, or telling.

    Who says a species has to live on the surface? Many species
    here live underground. And/or underwater. And some in the air.

    Look at all we've accomplished since the the first powered flight, (and there is debate if it was the Wright Brothers or others). Just imagine what where we will be in the same time going forward?

    What has man accomplished? Very little. The automobile is
    nothing more than an updated version of the chariot. Same concept,
    only instead of using horses for power we use horsepower contained
    in a metal block. Original ideas are few, perhaps one per century.
    Everything else is built on ideas that have come before and proven
    to work.

    Genius is using what exists and finding unique ways to make it work.
    John McEnroe was/is not a very talented tennis player. But his way of
    playing was pure genius. If man is to travel to other planets, he
    will have to learn how to apply his own genius to accomplish the task.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Wed Jan 25 00:18:36 2017
    Hello Mike,

    No man, woman or child has ever set foot on the Moon (or any
    other planetary body), much less lived to tell the tale.

    Wait, what? Does Buzz Aldrin need to punch you in the head too?

    Not many young people (especially women under 30) believe
    man ever set foot on the Moon. Polls have been taken on this
    subject, and most people worldwide do not believe it to be
    true. In fact, most people have no experience of this, only
    hearsay or from what they have been taught in school.

    The last man who allegedly set foot on the Moon did so
    some 45 years ago. Most people alive today had not even
    yet been born. So why should they believe such a fairy
    tale?

    "We have missiles that can hit a target as far away as the Moon."

    In other words, it was a PR stunt, the US showing off to the
    world what its missiles were capable of, while at the same time
    giving the impression that the USSR had no such capability.

    Nobody would be interested in following a story about a missile
    hitting a target on the Moon. But everybody would be interested
    in following a story about men setting foot on the Moon. It
    didn't have to be true. Only believable. Unnerstan'?

    Why did so many people believe NASA actually landed a man
    on the Moon? Because people wanted to believe. Not that it
    really happened.

    --Lee

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