• Updates on intermittently transient living for 2 years w/son

    From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to All on Sat Jan 31 16:31:02 2015
    Oh god, where to start.
    I guess I covered most of the disaster that's hit lately in international chat, so I'll just move right on to where I'm at with my son right now.
    Despite being amazingly resilient for everything that he's been through, it
    seems like the last two years of intermittent homelessness are finally starting
    to have a behavior effect upon him. Things first started getting this way a year ago, in Minot, ND (actually a little over a year ago, now), when we were staying with my sister for a bit. The primary reason for this, I think, was not so much isolation and transition (he knew his cousins well and they loved spending time with him), but the fact that they were raised on the 'electronic teat', if you will. That is, they spent all of their time, 95% of the days, playing video games and eating junk food and nothing else. Unfortunately, my ability in Minot, ND, to get him out to do anything other than this was pretty limited... :P
    Things got better for awhile, when I was with my fiancee, as spring hit. He had to change schools _during that one school year_ four times, so that certainly didn't help anything. However, he met another bi-racial kid that lived just one apartment down from us at his school. So although he got a few more videogames than I would like, he really did spend a huge amount of times with his friend and other friends from the school outside playing. However he suffered a bit of verbal abuse, and definitely neglect, from my fiancee when I was working, which I later found out about.
    Since I've moved here, things have gone downhill a bit. There were starting to be some behavioral changes, at this point, due to the 'addictive' nature of video games, and how they activate the same brain instant-reward pathways as any sort of stimulant drug does. You can tell. :| You could tell
    last year, but it wasn't even really a problem yet.
    The main problem in this area is the fact that no other parents seem to give much of a shit about getting their children out to play with others here. 'Helicopter parenting' is in full effect.

    My son actually needs to use the computer here for a little bit, so I'm going to send this out right now so that I don't lose it if there's a BBS crash
    (they've started up again since I enabled Synchronet's SSH server again for my users' security). I'll define 'helicopter parenting' (if it isn't self-evident), and continue where I left off in a little while here.

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Thu Feb 5 14:15:02 2015
    Re: Re: Updates on intermittently transient living for 2 years w/son
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Feb 05 2015 16:50:12

    I suspect it's less the transientness in any case. Some of it may just
    be age-related. And, as you mentioned (both in the part I snipped and below) the video games probably do have somewhat to do with it as well.

    This is a good point that was brought to my attention by people I was speaking to at his school, as well. I'd be a million times more comfortable seeing the innocence fade, as it does around this time significantly, if we were stable and he had friends to help buffer it, though.

    Having a compatible friend makes a lot of difference... how long were
    you able to stay where he had the friends?

    In Bismarck it was over 3 years. He was really tight with a lot of
    them there. In Minot, it was... around 4-6 months. Here, well he's gotten together with friends outside of school 4 times. In six months. I can't even bear to think about that. He's got plenty of friends, it's just that this is such a yuppie neighborhood that they're all too busy to want to bring their kids out so that _they_ can have any lives. I really can't wait to move to a lower class neighborhood, and that isn't sarcasm in the slightest.

    However he suffered a bit of verbal abuse, and definitely neglect,
    from my fiancee when I was working, which I later found out about.
    Sigh... not what he needed, for sure.

    Not at all. :| I don't even know what to say about that. I'm a little ashamed that it took me so long to realize. I was really wrapped up in providing for 5 people and the infatuation. :(

    And without friends to get out and play with, there is more incentive to occupy oneself with the video games, too...

    Yeah. I've been slowly putting that to a limit, though. As the days get longer here he's going to have time to get out to the park, on the days when it's not totally cold and wet (kind of rare this time of year here, still). I'm going to be doing other things with him, too. I know this one bit is within my control and I just can't stand to see it reprogramming him that way. :P
    I think I'm just gonna skip to him being able to play it for 3-4 hours a day on weekends only, and that's it. If the ADHD behavior problems kick in after that, I'll talk to him, and if they keep kicking in, that'll be lowered, too. Not sure what else I can do. At least I've got new books on the way for him. It'd be really nice if we had space for him to play board games with me and with his other toys though, too. Or if, like, his friends with space had parents that would let him come over. :P
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Feb 5 16:58:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to All on 31-Jan-2015 16:07 <=-

    Despite being amazingly resilient for everything
    that he's been through, it seems like the last two years of
    intermittent homelessness are finally starting to have a behavior
    effect upon him.

    I suspect it's less the transientness in any case. Some of it may just
    be age-related. And, as you mentioned (both in the part I snipped and
    below) the video games probably do have somewhat to do with it as well.

    Things got better for awhile, when I was with my fiancee, as
    spring hit. He had to change schools _during that one school year_ four times, so that certainly didn't help anything. However, he met another bi-racial kid that lived just one apartment down from us at his school. So although he got a few more videogames than I would like, he really
    did spend a huge amount of times with his friend and other friends from the school outside playing.

    Having a compatible friend makes a lot of difference... how long were
    you able to stay where he had the friends?

    However he suffered a bit of verbal abuse, and definitely neglect,
    from my fiancee when I was working, which I later found out about.

    Sigh... not what he needed, for sure.

    Since I've moved here, things have gone
    downhill a bit. There were starting to be some behavioral changes, at this point, due to the 'addictive' nature of video games, and how they activate the same brain instant-reward pathways as any sort of
    stimulant drug does. You can tell. :| You could tell last year, but
    it wasn't even really a problem yet. The main problem in this area
    is the fact that no other parents seem to give much of a shit about getting their children out to play with others here. 'Helicopter parenting' is in full effect.

    And without friends to get out and play with, there is more incentive to
    occupy oneself with the video games, too...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Tue Feb 10 14:31:02 2015
    Re: Re: Updates on intermittently transient living for 2 years w/son
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Sun Feb 08 2015 01:52:56

    When things can't be helped, they can't be helped... one does have to
    work with the situation one is actually in. He at least has the
    stability of being with you, and having you care about him and his welfare...

    Yeah. When I'm out and about with him I still get people complimenting me, at random, whenever they care about kids and are in the area enough to overhear
    me explaining things to him, and teaching him about new things. I try to think
    of that as an offset... And honestly, I know that there's not a whole lot I can do about all of this right now other than what I'm doing, but it's hard for
    me not to fret, especially as changes come on and I don't know if they're strictly from age or more from the transience... Of course it's a combination of both, and I'm sitting here wringing my hands kind of helplessly. I do have an appointment with his school counselor coming up, though. Maybe she'll have some insight to give me, too. I'm always a little haunted about not being able
    to take good enough care of the people (and animals) that I care for.

    At least he has the friends at school... that's important, too.

    Very much so! He's got a bestie, and that helps a lot. I remember a year when I only had a friend at school, though, and it was a rough one. I hope he comes out of it without it screwing up his social development at all.
    He didn't get to sit next to him at lunch yesterday, though. It appears that
    my looseness with my lips has spread to him a bit. Not sure which word it was exactly (but I think it was an eff-bomb) that he dropped with the range of a kid that narced on him, so he had to sit apart from his usual crowd. :(

    It might or might not help things... some "lower class" parents buy into the same helicoptor parenting... part of it seems to be the way things tend to be nowadays...

    Yeah. I just can't see how that, taken to such extremes, can ever prepare a person to be able to stand on their own feet, unless they're inheriting a legacy the likes of which will keep them isolated from anybody that they don't choose to be in contact with, and free of all hardship. :P

    Woulda, shoulda, coulda... The past is what it was... you can learn from it, you can work with the results, but you can't change it, nor should
    you dwell on the mistakes made... Hopefully you have learned from it...

    It's a major shortcoming of mine. Part of the reason I'm also trying to take
    more of my own personal time to focus on some tenets of the Buddhist philosophy
    that I try to adhere to; living in the moment, not haunted by the past, not fretting over the future, but in the moment planning for the future and having learned from the past. I know I've learned; it's the time when I'm in bed after everybody else is out that I flog myself endlessly with the ghosts of Damo past flogging my poor brain. ;) I'm getting much better at it, though. Er, not doing it, that is. ;)

    The books will probably do the most to help wean him off the games...
    it's a better way to exercise the brain, and most engaging as well,
    since he enjoys reading... :)

    I've got a bunch coming for him, and actually, the _day_ after you mentioned an electronic reader, someone picked one up for him and told me that it was in the mail! :) My luck might be changing a bit.

    Eventually you'll probably have that... both the space and hopefully
    some friends with more helpful parents... ;)

    I'm always on the lookout; not going to be changing that any time soon. :D

    Thanks for the input and the ear; it's always appreciated. I need to tell about some of the adventures we had before winter hit here so that I can balance things out a little bit, I think. ;)
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Feb 12 01:20:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 10-Feb-2015 14:07 <=-

    When things can't be helped, they can't be helped... one does have to
    work with the situation one is actually in. He at least has the
    stability of being with you, and having you care about him and his
    welfare...

    Yeah. When I'm out and about with him I still get people
    complimenting me, at random, whenever they care about kids and are in
    the area enough to overhear me explaining things to him, and teaching
    him about new things. I try to think of that as an offset...

    It's an indication that you /are/ doing something right, when other
    people notice... :)

    And honestly, I know that there's not a whole lot I can do about all
    of this right now other than what I'm doing, but it's hard for me not
    to fret, especially as changes come on and I don't know if they're strictly from age or more from the transience... Of course it's a combination of both, and I'm sitting here wringing my hands kind of helplessly. I do have an appointment with his school counselor coming up, though. Maybe she'll have some insight to give me, too. I'm
    always a little haunted about not being able to take good enough care
    of the people (and animals) that I care for.

    We're never able to do everything we know is needed... all we can do is
    the best we can... :) And no need to waste energy worrying about what
    we can't do, just need to look for what we can do... :) And, where
    possible, find others to help fill in the lacks... :)

    At least he has the friends at school... that's important, too.

    Very much so! He's got a bestie, and that helps a lot. I remember
    a year when I only had a friend at school, though, and it was a rough one. I hope he comes out of it without it screwing up his social development at all. He didn't get to sit next to him at lunch
    yesterday, though. It appears that my looseness with my lips has
    spread to him a bit. Not sure which word it was exactly (but I think
    it was an eff-bomb) that he dropped with the range of a kid that narced on him, so he had to sit apart from his usual crowd. :(

    Well, perhaps that can be a lesson for both of you... ;) One /should/
    be careful with one's language anyway, but especially around kids, who
    tend to be little parrots... You maybe could talk with him about when
    it is and when it isn't appropriate to use such language...

    It might or might not help things... some "lower class" parents buy into
    the same helicoptor parenting... part of it seems to be the way things
    tend to be nowadays...

    Yeah. I just can't see how that, taken to such extremes, can ever prepare a person to be able to stand on their own feet, unless they're inheriting a legacy the likes of which will keep them isolated from anybody that they don't choose to be in contact with, and free of all hardship. :P

    Fortunately it isn't often taken to the farthest extremes it might be...
    and as I noted before, many of these activities are some sort of group
    activity so it isn't exactly isolation...

    Woulda, shoulda, coulda... The past is what it was... you can learn from
    it, you can work with the results, but you can't change it, nor should
    you dwell on the mistakes made... Hopefully you have learned from it...

    It's a major shortcoming of mine. Part of the reason I'm also
    trying to take more of my own personal time to focus on some tenets of the Buddhist philosophy that I try to adhere to; living in the moment, not haunted by the past, not fretting over the future, but in the
    moment planning for the future and having learned from the past. I
    know I've learned; it's the time when I'm in bed after everybody else
    is out that I flog myself endlessly with the ghosts of Damo past
    flogging my poor brain. ;) I'm getting much better at it, though. Er, not doing it, that is. ;)

    Sometimes it takes a sort of discipline to keep from going there... but
    it becomes easier with practice... Not to say that there won't still be
    times that the mind wanders down those paths again... but one can bring
    it back instead of wallowing in the bygones.. :)

    The books will probably do the most to help wean him off the games...
    it's a better way to exercise the brain, and most engaging as well,
    since he enjoys reading... :)

    I've got a bunch coming for him, and actually, the _day_ after you mentioned an electronic reader, someone picked one up for him and told
    me that it was in the mail! :) My luck might be changing a bit.

    Now that's good timing... ;)

    Eventually you'll probably have that... both the space and hopefully
    some friends with more helpful parents... ;)

    I'm always on the lookout; not going to be changing that any time
    soon. :D

    That's the spirit... ;)

    Thanks for the input and the ear; it's always appreciated. I need
    to tell about some of the adventures we had before winter hit here so that I can balance things out a little bit, I think. ;)

    Yeah, tell the good things, too... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed Feb 25 22:54:02 2015
    Re: Re: Updates on intermittently transient living for 2 years w/son
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Feb 12 2015 01:12:38

    It's an indication that you /are/ doing something right, when other
    people notice... :)

    It always seems to be when he's asking incessant questions, and I'm taking the time to answer them all, without talking down to him, and explaining the parts that he has more questions on. :) My parents never did that for me, so I've tried to not make the same mistake, though it's taken a bit to make sure he understands that sometimes (ie sleep time) is not for incessant questions about everthing. *grin*

    We're never able to do everything we know is needed... all we can do is the best we can... :) And no need to waste energy worrying about what
    we can't do, just need to look for what we can do... :) And, where possible, find others to help fill in the lacks... :)

    That last part is what I was gonna say. People that can help point out what might lay in my blind spots have been invaluable to my personal development. wish more people could learn to value that, instead of run in horror from it. You're right, though. I need to learn to get that ghost of d4m0 past crap to stop flogging myself with once I've learned from things and moved on. It's my main reason for meditation.

    Well, perhaps that can be a lesson for both of you... ;) One /should/
    be careful with one's language anyway, but especially around kids, who tend to be little parrots... You maybe could talk with him about when
    it is and when it isn't appropriate to use such language...

    I've been doing that. I've let him be too lose around the house, where I've [in the past] said that it's okay, as long as it's me and him, and he doesn't use it too much. He got in the habit of using that language when he was frustrated, and I warned him it'd bite him, and it did. Heh. I'll learn to give the when & where talk along with a bit more discretion about letting 'em get away with it at home if I ever have another go around at this. As it is, things have cracked down a bit, but he usually sticks to the appropriate areas very well. The main reason I was so loose is because I'm so damn loose with the tongue, and I don't like to be a hypocrite... We're working on it together
    now. :)

    Fortunately it isn't often taken to the farthest extremes it might be... and as I noted before, many of these activities are some sort of group activity so it isn't exactly isolation...

    Whoa I totally forgot what this is about. I didn't quote enough.
    Ah, the helicopter parenting. You're right, it isn't total isolation, but a lot of times I think that kids need _unstructured_ time to avoid becoming pressure cookers. I dunno, just my opinion on it.

    Sometimes it takes a sort of discipline to keep from going there... but
    it becomes easier with practice... Not to say that there won't still be times that the mind wanders down those paths again... but one can bring
    it back instead of wallowing in the bygones.. :)

    Ah I jumped the gun on the meditation bit. It helps me a lot in this area; I'm able to settle my mind when it goes to these places... Unless I've had too
    much caffeine. Another area for me to be improving, no doubt!
    It's getting a lot better but I still find that a lot of times, unless I'm actively engaged in meditation, I forget that I need to be consciously letting go of that crap when it comes up. When I finally realize that I've been fulminating and flogging myself I realize I've been in that state for waaaay too long already. Still, like meditation, it's just not getting frustrated about it, and letting the thought water flow around it, without hanging on to it... It takes practice, another day another few seconds of peace... I'm getting there. ;)

    Now that's good timing... ;)

    It was! He just got the dragonlance e-books downloaded on it tonight, too. :D

    Yeah, tell the good things, too... ;)

    Well, he had an outstanding performance at his school tonight. I'm just starting to get the video ready to pass around to relatives and the like. I've
    got to hand it to this school, they've done a musical/play that absolutely blew
    out of the water anything I've seen before. It was amazing, and I learned so much about one of my favorite places to run... Lone Fir cemetary. Had no idea
    that Madonna filmed a video there. *laugh* But seriously, the amount of history that they had in this play featured all around the cemetary, and the bits about keeping people alive through the memory of them, almost made me mist
    up a few times. It was really amazing!
    I have other good things to write, but this has taken too long to get off already. :) My next response shall be thoroughly peppered with good things that have gone on lately. I think the #1 that I'm thinking about right now is that we've been here about 7 months, and both him and I have each been sick at least a half a dozen times apiece. It's been weeks now, though, and I think maybe we've finally gotten the full collection of antibodies to this area, so maybe (keep yr fingers crossed) we're able to go out and face the world without
    getting knocked back every few weeks into it now. ;) I was really worried with him missing 16 days of school this year due to illness; I hope that things
    don't happen again like that, it was causing some serious academic issues for awhile.
    Best wishes & more soon! How's your life been? :)

    -Damon
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Sun Mar 1 01:33:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 25-Feb-2015 22:30 <=-

    It's an indication that you /are/ doing something right, when other
    people notice... :)

    It always seems to be when he's asking incessant questions, and I'm taking the time to answer them all, without talking down to him, and explaining the parts that he has more questions on. :) My parents
    never did that for me, so I've tried to not make the same mistake,
    though it's taken a bit to make sure he understands that sometimes (ie sleep time) is not for incessant questions about everthing. *grin*

    Kids can be opportunists, for sure.. ;) But having that openness is
    so crucial to helping our kids grow up... And if they know that we can
    and will answer questions, they don't have to go elsewhere to find
    answers... and hopefully thereby avoid some of the pitfalls...

    We're never able to do everything we know is needed... all we can do is
    the best we can... :) And no need to waste energy worrying about what
    we can't do, just need to look for what we can do... :) And, where
    possible, find others to help fill in the lacks... :)

    That last part is what I was gonna say. People that can help point
    out what might lay in my blind spots have been invaluable to my
    personal development.

    I was more thinking of people that could supply some of what your son
    needs that you aren't able to necessarily supply... like the wonderful
    couple at our church that filled in as sorta "foster parents" to our son
    during his turbulent teen years... they made it so that there were other
    stable adults in his life to model, and that he knew cared about him.
    We were still able to talk with him, even then, but it was very nice to
    know that there were others that had our back, and that also cared about
    our son... ;)

    I wish more people could learn to value that, instead of run in
    horror from it. You're right, though. I need to learn to get that
    ghost of d4m0 past crap to stop flogging myself with once I've learned from things and moved on. It's my main reason for meditation.

    But, yes... filling in that sort of lack (for you rather than your son)
    is a good thing, too... ;) Admitting that one does need help, either
    for one's self or for one's charges, can be difficult, admittedly... :)
    And getting past the old crap in one's life often needs a little help,
    too... at least in the form of support, and helpful advice... :)

    Well, perhaps that can be a lesson for both of you... ;) One /should/
    be careful with one's language anyway, but especially around kids, who
    tend to be little parrots... You maybe could talk with him about when
    it is and when it isn't appropriate to use such language...

    I've been doing that. I've let him be too lose around the house,
    where I've [in the past] said that it's okay, as long as it's me and
    him, and he doesn't use it too much. He got in the habit of using that language when he was frustrated, and I warned him it'd bite him, and it did. Heh. I'll learn to give the when & where talk along with a bit more discretion about letting 'em get away with it at home if I ever
    have another go around at this. As it is, things have cracked down a bit, but he usually sticks to the appropriate areas very well. The
    main reason I was so loose is because I'm so damn loose with the
    tongue, and I don't like to be a hypocrite... We're working on it together now. :)

    Working on it together's a good thing. :) It's not too late to rein it
    in with him, as long as he doesn't think you are just being arbitrary...

    Fortunately it isn't often taken to the farthest extremes it might be...
    and as I noted before, many of these activities are some sort of group
    activity so it isn't exactly isolation...

    Whoa I totally forgot what this is about. I didn't quote enough.
    Ah, the helicopter parenting. You're right, it isn't total
    isolation, but a lot of times I think that kids need _unstructured_
    time to avoid becoming pressure cookers. I dunno, just my opinion on
    it.

    I'm actually mostly agreeing with you on that... I grew up with plenty
    of unstructured time, and I do believe that it was a good thing... of
    course, in my case, there was plenty of unlooked for structure in the
    form of taking care of younger siblings... ;) Different personalities
    can react differently to the same situation, too... One kid could thrive
    while another would become a pressure cooker... :)

    Sometimes it takes a sort of discipline to keep from going there... but
    it becomes easier with practice... Not to say that there won't still be
    times that the mind wanders down those paths again... but one can bring
    it back instead of wallowing in the bygones.. :)

    Ah I jumped the gun on the meditation bit. It helps me a lot in
    this area; I'm able to settle my mind when it goes to these places... Unless I've had too much caffeine. Another area for me to be
    improving, no doubt! It's getting a lot better but I still find that
    a lot of times, unless I'm actively engaged in meditation, I forget
    that I need to be consciously letting go of that crap when it comes up.

    It comes with practice... :)

    When I finally realize that I've been fulminating and flogging myself
    I realize I've been in that state for waaaay too long already. Still, like meditation, it's just not getting frustrated about it, and letting the thought water flow around it, without hanging on to it... It takes practice, another day another few seconds of peace... I'm getting
    there. ;)

    Yup.. :)

    Now that's good timing... ;)

    It was! He just got the dragonlance e-books downloaded on it
    tonight, too. :D

    All Right.... :) So now he has something to read and keep him occupied happily... :)

    Yeah, tell the good things, too... ;)

    Well, he had an outstanding performance at his school tonight. I'm
    just starting to get the video ready to pass around to relatives and
    the like. I've got to hand it to this school, they've done a musical/play that absolutely blew out of the water anything I've seen before. It was amazing, and I learned so much about one of my favorite places to run... Lone Fir cemetary. Had no idea that Madonna filmed a video there. *laugh* But seriously, the amount of history that they
    had in this play featured all around the cemetary, and the bits about keeping people alive through the memory of them, almost made me mist up
    a few times. It was really amazing!

    There's some good teachers at that school, for sure... Did he enjoy
    being part of the play...? :)

    I have other good things to write, but this has taken too long to get
    off already. :) My next response shall be thoroughly peppered with
    good things that have gone on lately.

    That's good to hear. :)

    I think the #1 that I'm thinking about right now is that
    we've been here about 7 months, and both him and I have each been sick
    at least a half a dozen times apiece. It's been weeks now, though, and
    I think maybe we've finally gotten the full collection of antibodies to this area, so maybe (keep yr fingers crossed) we're able to go out and face the world without getting knocked back every few weeks into it
    now. ;) I was really worried with him missing 16 days of school this year due to illness; I hope that things don't happen again like that,
    it was causing some serious academic issues for awhile.

    That can be an unhappy side effect of transient living... exposure to
    new bugs all the time.. :) Now maybe you've built up your immune
    systems for the new place... :)

    Best wishes & more soon! How's your life been? :)

    Busy... but mostly fairly uneventful... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Sun Mar 1 04:58:02 2015
    Re: Re: Updates on intermittently transient living for 2 years w/son
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Sun Mar 01 2015 01:25:00

    Kids can be opportunists, for sure.. ;) But having that openness is
    so crucial to helping our kids grow up... And if they know that we can
    and will answer questions, they don't have to go elsewhere to find answers... and hopefully thereby avoid some of the pitfalls...

    I've always thought so. One of the biggest mistakes that screwed me over in ways that still occasionally hurt me to this day is the fact that my parents kept everything a secret from me. Absolutely everything. They were always too
    tired to explain things, too. I've tried to make sure I never repeat those mistakes. I may've gone to the other extreme, but I don't think it's as bad as
    throwing a kid to the wolves when he's 17 and has no place to go or no money to
    his name (because of not letting him work).

    where possible, find others to help fill in the lacks... :)
    That last part is what I was gonna say. People that can help point
    out what might lay in my blind spots have been invaluable to my
    personal development.

    I was more thinking of people that could supply some of what your son needs that you aren't able to necessarily supply... like the wonderful couple at our church that filled in as sorta "foster parents" to our son during his turbulent teen years... they made it so that there were other stable adults in his life to model, and that he knew cared about him.
    We were still able to talk with him, even then, but it was very nice to know that there were others that had our back, and that also cared about our son... ;)

    Oh there are people helping out. I don't have much of a support net here yet, though. I really do need to make some good friends who, hopefully, have few in their number that have kids, or are good with them, and are truly good people. I meet people so slowly, though, at least in this yuppie neighborhood,
    that it's a little discouraging. I'd love for him to have role models behind myself, though. I keep hoping he'll get some friends with good, successful, and altruistic parents. I had a few friends like that when I was a kid, and though my own parents went out of their way to shelter me to extremes, they saw
    that and compensated by trying to show me what effort and experience were worth, and made sure that I at least got some. They felt bad for me. I hope that it's not a situation just like this with my son, obviously, but I miss the
    few friends he had who would have him over for dinner with successful, and good
    parenting influence, kinds of people at times.

    But, yes... filling in that sort of lack (for you rather than your son)
    is a good thing, too... ;) Admitting that one does need help, either
    for one's self or for one's charges, can be difficult, admittedly... :) And getting past the old crap in one's life often needs a little help, too... at least in the form of support, and helpful advice... :)

    I'm all about looking into the blind spots when I become aware of them. One of my goals in this life other than to make sure that my son has what he needs to go forward and succeed in this troubling world is to always make sure that am bettering myself. I know that I have millions of blind spots from the way that I was raised, antisocially and in a horribly sheltered and abused cult. Sometimes hearing those things that need to be changed is painful, but I've learned to not respond badly, but to introspect, and find out if there is something valid that I need to work on with it. Heh. I was kind of discussing
    a small amount of this with an employer the other day during an interview, sans
    the abuse and antisocial talk. ;)
    I find that kind of help invaluable. I hope that I'm in a situation again soon where I have people around that can help me with that more.

    Working on it together's a good thing. :) It's not too late to rein it in with him, as long as he doesn't think you are just being arbitrary...

    No, things are getting better for both of us. I still need to work on it probably a little bit more than him to set the right example, but he's doing very good, even around the house where I've let him get away with it, so long as it's only him, my roommate, and I.

    I'm actually mostly agreeing with you on that... I grew up with plenty
    of unstructured time, and I do believe that it was a good thing... of course, in my case, there was plenty of unlooked for structure in the
    form of taking care of younger siblings... ;) Different personalities
    can react differently to the same situation, too... One kid could thrive while another would become a pressure cooker... :)

    Exactly.

    It comes with practice... :)

    Ah the mental training. Yes. I missed most of mine today, and I've suffered
    a little bit for it. It's amazing how much of a difference on a daily basis that time training the mind helps.

    All Right.... :) So now he has something to read and keep him occupied happily... :)

    Hell yeah. He's in love with his tablet. That reminds me, DragonLance is on
    it, now I need to configure his reader for him.

    There's some good teachers at that school, for sure... Did he enjoy
    being part of the play...? :)

    He did, actually. The videos are huge or I'd post 'em all over. It was definitely the best elementary school play I've ever seen and all written by the teachers and a couple of writers in the area--- and lines by the students themselves, too! For the shortcomings of this school, which are legion in the bureaucratic areas, I'll admit this 'arts-focus school' really does drive home some damn good programs in those areas.

    That can be an unhappy side effect of transient living... exposure to
    new bugs all the time.. :) Now maybe you've built up your immune
    systems for the new place... :)

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed. ;) My immune system feels strong like bull,
    though. I think we're over the hump. :)
    Catch ya more later. It's 4:30am, I should probably be getting some sleep. *grin*

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Mon Mar 2 22:40:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 01-Mar-2015 04:34 <=-

    Kids can be opportunists, for sure.. ;) But having that openness is
    so crucial to helping our kids grow up... And if they know that we can
    and will answer questions, they don't have to go elsewhere to find
    answers... and hopefully thereby avoid some of the pitfalls...

    I've always thought so. One of the biggest mistakes that screwed me
    over in ways that still occasionally hurt me to this day is the fact
    that my parents kept everything a secret from me. Absolutely
    everything. They were always too tired to explain things, too. I've tried to make sure I never repeat those mistakes. I may've gone to the other extreme, but I don't think it's as bad as throwing a kid to the wolves when he's 17 and has no place to go or no money to his name (because of not letting him work).

    If one is going to one extreme or other, my preference would certainly
    be for telling too much than in not teaching at all... And I'd much
    rather my child ask me instead of looking for answers in the wrong
    places... :)

    Oh there are people helping out. I don't have much of a support net
    here yet, though. I really do need to make some good friends who, hopefully, have a few in their number that have kids, or are good with them, and are truly good people. I meet people so slowly, though, at least in this yuppie neighborhood, that it's a little discouraging.

    Another place that having a job would help... not just in being able to
    be in a better-for-you neighborhood, but also having more contacts
    yourself just in the normal day-to-day...

    I'd love for him to have role models behind myself, though. I keep hoping he'll get some friends with good, successful, and altruistic parents. I had a few friends like that when I was a kid, and though my own parents went out of their way to shelter me to extremes, they saw that and compensated by trying to show me what effort and experience
    were worth, and made sure that I at least got some. They felt bad for me. I hope that it's not a situation just like this with my son, obviously, but I miss the few friends he had who would have him over
    for dinner with successful, and good parenting influence, kinds of
    people at times.

    Getting more settled and less transient should help there.. :)

    But, yes... filling in that sort of lack (for you rather than your son)
    is a good thing, too... ;) Admitting that one does need help, either
    for one's self or for one's charges, can be difficult, admittedly... :)
    And getting past the old crap in one's life often needs a little help,
    too... at least in the form of support, and helpful advice... :)

    I'm all about looking into the blind spots when I become aware of
    them. One of my goals in this life other than to make sure that my son has what he needs to go forward and succeed in this troubling world is
    to always make sure that I am bettering myself. I know that I have millions of blind spots from the way that I was raised, antisocially
    and in a horribly sheltered and abused cult. Sometimes hearing those things that need to be changed is painful, but I've learned to not respond badly, but to introspect, and find out if there is something valid that I need to work on with it.

    And as you go along, you'll probably be finding some of those blind
    spots yourself... being revealed as you start to put pieces together
    from what others tell you... :)

    Heh. I was kind of discussing a small amount of this with an
    employer the other day during an interview, sans the abuse and
    antisocial talk. ;)

    Talking it up as a positive, that you've learned to learn from
    others...? ;)

    I find that kind of help invaluable. I hope that I'm in a situation again soon where I have people around that can help me with that more.

    That would be a good thing, to be sure.. :)

    Working on it together's a good thing. :) It's not too late to rein it
    in with him, as long as he doesn't think you are just being arbitrary...

    No, things are getting better for both of us. I still need to work
    on it probably a little bit more than him to set the right example, but he's doing very good, even around the house where I've let him get away with it, so long as it's only him, my roommate, and I.

    You have more years of having done it wrong to re-learn patterns from,
    after all... ;) And probably the more important lesson he can be
    learning from this is that something can be appropriate in one setting,
    but totally inappropriate in another... :) and how to tell the
    difference.... ;)

    It comes with practice... :)

    Ah the mental training. Yes. I missed most of mine today, and I've suffered a little bit for it. It's amazing how much of a difference on
    a daily basis that time training the mind helps.

    Mental training, yes... and also putting it into daily life practice. :)

    All Right.... :) So now he has something to read and keep him
    occupied happily... :)

    Hell yeah. He's in love with his tablet. That reminds me,
    DragonLance is on it, now I need to configure his reader for him.

    Get on it... <G>

    There's some good teachers at that school, for sure... Did he enjoy
    being part of the play...? :)

    He did, actually. The videos are huge or I'd post 'em all over. It
    was definitely the best elementary school play I've ever seen and all written by the teachers and a couple of writers in the area--- and
    lines by the students themselves, too! For the shortcomings of this school, which are legion in the bureaucratic areas, I'll admit this 'arts-focus school' really does drive home some damn good programs in those areas.

    Bureaucracy is often a bugaboo even with good schools... but teachers
    make the biggest difference... :) And outside support doesn't hurt,
    either... :)

    That can be an unhappy side effect of transient living... exposure
    to new bugs all the time.. :) Now maybe you've built up your
    immune systems for the new place... :)

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed. ;) My immune system feels strong
    like bull, though. I think we're over the hump. :)

    One certainly hopes.. :)

    Catch ya more later. It's 4:30am, I should probably be getting some sleep. *grin*

    Yeah.... I suppose you should be... <G> I'm waiting for the rest of
    the good news you've promised us, too... :)

    ttyl neb

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