• Hassles At Work

    From Daryl Stout@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Tue Apr 21 10:48:02 2015
    Damon,

    Well, yeah. Unfortunately I've landed with all of my eggs in one basket
    right now, anyway. If that manager could just like give me the schedule th
    he puts in the electronic schedule thing, that'd be great. But he does tha
    show up, nobody is there, then they want me to come in on my day off so tha
    can 'go over the schedule again'. It's unbelievable. So I haven't been fi
    or quit there yet, but I'm not taking any hours until I hear back from DAG>corporate or whatever. This crap is obscene.

    Most of the jobs I had been employed at over the years (before
    declining health in 2004 ended all that), I always had the dirtiest,
    most mundane job, that no one else wanted, or would do. They likely
    thought I'd be there forever...and likely were stunned the day I walked
    in, and tendered my resignation.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Mon May 4 18:35:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Daryl Stout on 01-May-2015 09:41 <=-

    Unfortunately the job that I was having these troubles at never
    really could get its bits together with handling scheduling. After my 3rd commute out to the airport for a shift that they 'forgot' they had
    me on the schedule for I ended up quitting, as well. For the $10/hr
    that they were paying me it was just destroying my already destabilized vehicle too fast, and the stress was putting me into states that were
    not really condusive to a good employment experience, to put things mildly.

    That's really a shame. Did you ever connect to the upper management
    about the situation...? That all sounds just unprofessional, even if it
    is "only" foodservice...

    The contract work is finally producing hours, though, and it's
    managing to hold me over until I can find something else around here
    to get me out and about and to cover some of those extra hours a day
    that I could be doing more useful things in. There's such labor competition in this city, though. I don't doubt that it's going to
    take awhile. Really glad I had the contract work to fall back on.

    And hopefully the contract work will blossom and pay well enough to
    sustain you. :) It certainly has the potential to be more satisfying
    a job, even if it doesn't get you out of the house... :)

    There's definitely something to be said for the people willing to do
    that kind of work. When I've been in that situation I've found, more often than not in my experience, that I was taken advantage of more
    than I've been recognized for doing that. I really wish it worked the other way around a little bit more often. Then again, I guess the old 'beggars can't be choosers' kind of applies to the situation that I've been in, and still find myself at this point. :P

    Even some professional jobs don't offer much respect... even if they pay
    a little better and maybe even have better benefits... been there...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed May 6 16:35:02 2015
    Re: Re: Hassles At Work
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Mon May 04 2015 18:27:46

    That's really a shame. Did you ever connect to the upper management
    about the situation...? That all sounds just unprofessional, even if it is "only" foodservice...

    No, it got stuck on the 'load shedding' pile and I suspect it's been there long enough so that it will be summarily discarded before taken into account. Regardless, with attention to detail like the guy had, it's not going to take long for plenty of other complaints to take that one's place. I mean there were plenty of people complaining about unprofessional/incompetent behavior well before I left there.
    I may still do it at some point, but even trying to salvage the situation for
    another dozen-twenty hours at the location in the city here doesn't really
    seem worth it now that the contract is giving more hours. I think I'd rather volunteer than take another food service job at this point, being as this has happened for both food service jobs that I've had in the area now. I suspect that with all of the competition for jobs around here they're just used to being able to find people desperate enough to handle that kind of situation... People that don't have kids requiring them to have honored scheduling hours, for instance, and don't have other fallback skills. I mean, that sounds kind of bad, I don't mean desperate in a bad way, but the entry-level labor market is pretty tooth & nail around here.

    And hopefully the contract work will blossom and pay well enough to sustain you. :) It certainly has the potential to be more satisfying
    a job, even if it doesn't get you out of the house... :)

    Well it's now proven to do that at least for several weeks here. That'll be enough to get a nest egg set up again well enough to take the sweat from my brow for a few months, hopefully. Better still, the guy arranging this contract has other ones up his sleeve; I think once a decent amount of hours has been taken in stride, he'll probably branch out to other contracts to keep a better amount of work on my plate. This has been indicated in his discussions so far, anyway. I'll find something to do for the social situations. I did have a good date day before yesterday here. :)

    Even some professional jobs don't offer much respect... even if they pay
    a little better and maybe even have better benefits... been there...

    This is true, and probably a good thing for me to keep in mind at this point.
    Still, I'm happy where things are going right now. :)

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 12 13:59:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 06-May-2015 16:14 <=-

    That's really a shame. Did you ever connect to the upper management
    about the situation...? That all sounds just unprofessional, even if it
    is "only" foodservice...
    No, it got stuck on the 'load shedding' pile and I suspect it's been there long enough so that it will be summarily discarded before taken into account. Regardless, with attention to detail like the guy had,
    it's not going to take long for plenty of other complaints to take that one's place. I mean there were plenty of people complaining about unprofessional/incompetent behavior well before I left there.
    I may still do it at some point, but even trying to salvage the

    Another voice added to the uproar might not hurt...

    I may still do it at some point, but even trying to salvage the
    situation for another dozen-twenty hours at the location in the city
    here doesn't really seem worth it now that the contract is giving more hours. I think I'd rather volunteer than take another food service job at this point, being as this has happened for both food service jobs
    that I've had in the area now.

    Volunteering might serve the purpose of social interaction just fine... possibly even better than an entry-level job... especially if the job in
    your field gives you enough hours and pay to make it possible... :)

    I suspect that with all of the
    competition for jobs around here they're just used to being able to
    find people desperate enough to handle that kind of situation... People that don't have kids requiring them to have honored scheduling hours,
    for instance, and don't have other fallback skills. I mean, that
    sounds kind of bad, I don't mean desperate in a bad way, but the entry-level labor market is pretty tooth & nail around here.

    I hear you. Similar happening here, where there are so many people
    trying for even those jobs that it's by no means guaranteed that just
    because someone wants to work that they can get a job...

    And hopefully the contract work will blossom and pay well enough to
    sustain you. :) It certainly has the potential to be more satisfying
    a job, even if it doesn't get you out of the house... :)
    Well it's now proven to do that at least for several weeks here.
    That'll be enough to get a nest egg set up again well enough to take
    the sweat from my brow for a few months, hopefully. Better still, the guy arranging this contract has other ones up his sleeve; I think once
    a decent amount of hours has been taken in stride, he'll probably
    branch out to other contracts to keep a better amount of work on my plate. This has been indicated in his discussions so far, anyway.

    Definitely sounds promising... :) Hope it truly pans out well... :)

    I'll find something to do for the social situations. I did have a
    good date day before yesterday here. :)

    :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed May 13 13:42:02 2015
    Re: Re: Hassles At Work
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 12 2015 13:51:10

    Another voice added to the uproar might not hurt...

    Eh, it's been on the 'load-shedding' pile for long enough that it's probably there until it goes dust-to-dust at this point. I've got enough other responsibilities keeping me busy so that I'm really not eager to waste my time helping that place improve. :P Honestly the concept of working in food service has soured enough for me right now that I could care less about trying to get social interaction there, too. There are other venues I can look into for that.

    Volunteering might serve the purpose of social interaction just fine... possibly even better than an entry-level job... especially if the job in your field gives you enough hours and pay to make it possible... :)

    Yeah I've done a couple of shifts at Free Geek here, which kind of ensures that I'll have things in common with the people that I'm meeting. I'm setting up another one right now, since the last one didn't work out due to rescheduling that had to take place. I was looking into some rehabilitation groups through the VA, too, but after an introductory session there, I think I'll just leave that to the people that need it a whole lot more.
    Regardless, with the hours going up on the contract work I should be able to have the liberty to choose what I'm doing fairly easily at this point. :)

    I hear you. Similar happening here, where there are so many people
    trying for even those jobs that it's by no means guaranteed that just because someone wants to work that they can get a job...

    There's only one other area where I spent a decent amount of time that had this kind of labor situation. Well, actually it was a whole lot worse. I was there for around 6 months and never did get any employment at all. I don't know if the stats that I heard were correct but it was allegedly around 28% at that recession peak (before they started fudging the numbers) then. It was in Yuma, AZ, as I've mentioned before, and people were fighting tooth & nail to hold onto fast food jobs or whatever else they could get. In a situation like that I'm guessing that management gets pretty used to getting whatever they want, much like here. It's all kind of foreign to me, when I'm used to a location where I can walk out and start searching and usually land something in
    less than a month or even two weeks. They treat their people a lot better in that area, too, at least at the entry-level tier.

    Definitely sounds promising... :) Hope it truly pans out well... :)

    Things are still looking promising on the contract labor front. I'm getting held up a little bit by things outside of my control, but I'm chomping at the bit and the work is there to be done. I've got high hopes. :) *thinks helplessly of the Pink Floyd song*

    I'll find something to do for the social situations. I did have a
    good date day before yesterday here. :)
    :)

    Had a second one that went well yesterday, too! Taking everything nice & slow, too. Not going to get involved in a situation that's going to tear me up
    again if I can help it. :)
    Best wishes!

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 19 20:12:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 13-May-2015 13:21 <=-

    Volunteering might serve the purpose of social interaction just fine...
    possibly even better than an entry-level job... especially if the job in
    your field gives you enough hours and pay to make it possible... :)
    Yeah I've done a couple of shifts at Free Geek here, which kind of ensures that I'll have things in common with the people that I'm
    meeting. I'm setting up another one right now, since the last one
    didn't work out due to rescheduling that had to take place.

    That sounds like a good fit. :)

    I was looking into some rehabilitation groups through the VA, too,
    but after an introductory session there, I think I'll just leave that
    to the people that need it a whole lot more.

    Those can have a focus that isn't necessarily what you need... although
    that might be a possibility for socializing if you thought your input
    might be helpful to others, even if you don't think you really need it.

    Regardless, with the hours
    going up on the contract work I should be able to have the liberty to choose what I'm doing fairly easily at this point. :)

    And that is a good thing... :) Promising, too... :)

    I hear you. Similar happening here, where there are so many people
    trying for even those jobs that it's by no means guaranteed that just
    because someone wants to work that they can get a job...
    There's only one other area where I spent a decent amount of time
    that had this kind of labor situation. Well, actually it was a whole
    lot worse. I was there for around 6 months and never did get any employment at all. I don't know if the stats that I heard were correct but it was allegedly around 28% at that recession peak (before they started fudging the numbers) then. It was in Yuma, AZ, as I've
    mentioned before, and people were fighting tooth & nail to hold onto
    fast food jobs or whatever else they could get. In a situation like
    that I'm guessing that management gets pretty used to getting whatever they want, much like here. It's all kind of foreign to me, when I'm
    used to a location where I can walk out and start searching and usually land something in less than a month or even two weeks. They treat
    their people a lot better in that area, too, at least at the
    entry-level tier.

    True... the dynamic changes some when one HAS to keep the job... vs
    when one can walk and find something better...

    Definitely sounds promising... :) Hope it truly pans out well... :)
    Things are still looking promising on the contract labor front. I'm getting held up a little bit by things outside of my control, but I'm chomping at the bit and the work is there to be done. I've got high hopes. :) *thinks helplessly of the Pink Floyd song*

    Or the Sinatra song... high apple-pie in the Sky-y-y-y hopes <G>
    Whoops there goes another rubbertree plant... ;) Things should work
    out just fine... :)

    I'll find something to do for the social situations. I did have a
    good date day before yesterday here. :)
    :)
    Had a second one that went well yesterday, too! Taking everything
    nice & slow, too. Not going to get involved in a situation that's
    going to tear me up again if I can help it. :)

    Good for you. :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed May 20 14:27:02 2015
    Nancy,

    Or the Sinatra song... high apple-pie in the Sky-y-y-y hopes <G>
    Whoops there goes another rubbertree plant... ;) Things should work
    out just fine... :)

    I'll be hearing that darn thing in my head the rest of the day now. :P

    For that matter, I saw a picture on Facebook of a take-off of another
    one of "Ol' Blue Eyes" songs...from "I Did It My Way". It showed this
    elephant walking down the road, with a bunch of white birds behind him.

    The caption...

    Egrets...I've had a few... <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Daryl Stout on Thu May 21 21:31:02 2015
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 05-20-15 14:19 <=-

    Or the Sinatra song... high apple-pie in the Sky-y-y-y hopes <G>
    Whoops there goes another rubbertree plant... ;) Things should work
    out just fine... :)

    I'll be hearing that darn thing in my head the rest of the day now.
    :P

    Aw... so sorry... ;) Just sharing the pleasure... ;)

    For that matter, I saw a picture on Facebook of a take-off of
    another one of "Ol' Blue Eyes" songs...from "I Did It My Way". It
    showed this elephant walking down the road, with a bunch of white
    birds behind him.
    The caption...
    Egrets...I've had a few... <G>

    Cute. :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 31 16:54:02 2015
    Re: Re: Hassles At Work
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 19 2015 20:04:52

    Yeah I've done a couple of shifts at Free Geek here, which kind of
    That sounds like a good fit. :)

    I actually got sick when I had the last one set up that I was going to go to,
    unfortunately. However they're always looking for more people that they've already certified to fill shifts, so I'll be trying to see if I can get in another slot on Monday. Right now I'm also thinking that I might _finally_ be able to afford Aikido for myself (and possibly even my son, though he's already
    in Tae Kwon Do) come this next paycheck, which should be Tuesday or Wednesday. Needless to say I'm really pumped at starting to have some different options available for socialization where I've really had nothing but the volunteering or food hell places before.

    Those can have a focus that isn't necessarily what you need... although that might be a possibility for socializing if you thought your input might be helpful to others, even if you don't think you really need it.

    Yeah I could tell that the VA groups weren't for me even before I met the members of the group. I could tell by the person that was giving the introduction and the way that she was treating the people that were there that I was really far out of my element. Perhaps you're right, though. The last time that I was in a place with lots of groups I spent about a half a day making sure that I'd dealt with my losses as best I could, and the rest of the time it helped me more than anything to be able to sit down and help some of the other people work through there problems. I'm not trying to steal crap from Patch Adams here, it's just kind of how it worked out, if you remember his
    scene in the psych ward and all.

    True... the dynamic changes some when one HAS to keep the job... vs
    when one can walk and find something better...

    Right now I wouldn't throw away what I've got for anything. It's allowing me
    a degree of freedom that I never thought I'd have and there's finally been enough of a ramp up in hours that I'm able to get in enough work to do well. Not too much of it, though. I never thought I'd find that mix. Plus I'm starting to get good at it again, which is really nice. I don't like having to
    ask somebody about every little step every time. Autonomy and the confidence in the actions that one is taking is always a good thing. It is quite a bit like riding a bike. ;)

    Or the Sinatra song... high apple-pie in the Sky-y-y-y hopes <G>
    Whoops there goes another rubbertree plant... ;) Things should work
    out just fine... :)

    I'm starting to feel that way, finally. Even got some ideas together on how to bring my credit up some points within the next couple of months here, and get my cat the operation that he needs at the same time. :)
    Best wishes.

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Jun 4 17:11:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2015 16:33 <=-

    Yeah I've done a couple of shifts at Free Geek here, which kind of
    That sounds like a good fit. :)
    I actually got sick when I had the last one set up that I was going
    to go to, unfortunately. However they're always looking for more
    people that they've already certified to fill shifts, so I'll be trying to see if I can get in another slot on Monday.

    Bummer about getting sick... but good that you've got yourself a foot in
    the door there now...

    Right now I'm also thinking that I might _finally_ be able to afford Aikido for myself (and possibly even my son, though he's already in
    Tae Kwon Do) come this next paycheck, which should be Tuesday or Wednesday. Needless to say I'm really pumped at starting to have some different options available for socialization where I've really had nothing but the volunteering or food hell places before.

    To say nothing of being something that can help work off the nervous energies... :)

    Yeah I could tell that the VA groups weren't for me even before I
    met the members of the group. I could tell by the person that was
    giving the introduction and the way that she was treating the people
    that were there that I was really far out of my element. Perhaps
    you're right, though. The last time that I was in a place with lots of groups I spent about a half a day making sure that I'd dealt with my losses as best I could, and the rest of the time it helped me more than anything to be able to sit down and help some of the other people work through there problems. I'm not trying to steal crap from Patch Adams here, it's just kind of how it worked out, if you remember his scene in the psych ward and all.

    But it's true, for all that... helping others does indeed help you work
    out your own issues, more likely than not... If nothing else, as we've
    said before, it provides perspective that focusing on one's self doesn't
    give so well... :)

    True... the dynamic changes some when one HAS to keep the job... vs
    when one can walk and find something better...
    Right now I wouldn't throw away what I've got for anything. It's allowing me a degree of freedom that I never thought I'd have and
    there's finally been enough of a ramp up in hours that I'm able to get
    in enough work to do well. Not too much of it, though. I never thought I'd find that mix. Plus I'm starting to get good at it again, which is really nice. I don't like having to ask somebody about every little
    step every time. Autonomy and the confidence in the actions that one
    is taking is always a good thing. It is quite a bit like riding a
    bike. ;)

    Sounds like the IT job is a definite win... :) I was refering more to
    the dead-end jobs, like in foodservice... And the dynamic is even more
    changed when one has a good job, with prospects, that is a very good
    fit. :) Enjoy your bike ride... <G>

    Or the Sinatra song... high apple-pie in the Sky-y-y-y hopes <G>
    Whoops there goes another rubbertree plant... ;) Things should work
    out just fine... :)
    I'm starting to feel that way, finally. Even got some ideas
    together on how to bring my credit up some points within the next
    couple of months here, and get my cat the operation that he needs at
    the same time. :) Best wishes.

    Definitely a nice turnaround of events for you. :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jun 14 21:31:02 2015
    Re: Re: Hassles At Work
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Jun 04 2015 17:03:50

    Bummer about getting sick... but good that you've got yourself a foot in the door there now...

    Yeah I'm signed up for another shift next week. I've actually gotten sick AGAIN since the first illness that this message was originally about. Stuff is
    going around everyone in the house here, and it's not settling for just one or two laps, it appears. Hopefully I'm starting to get better with it pretty soon
    here. Looks like it only lasted about 2-3 days for everyone else here, I'm praying that it does the same for me.

    To say nothing of being something that can help work off the nervous energies... :)

    We're going to go and witness our first Aikido lesson tomorrow, and if all looks kosher we're going to get signed up then for the next available session. That is, of course, keeping my fingers crossed on this witch's brew that I feel
    going on in my chest right now, though.

    But it's true, for all that... helping others does indeed help you work out your own issues, more likely than not... If nothing else, as we've said before, it provides perspective that focusing on one's self doesn't give so well... :)

    It does. I mean Free Geek isn't the opportunity for help like offering people a hand out of the gutter at the place I was being underpaid $7/hr for...
    But it's still knowing that I'm doing some thing nice. Plus, after you've got a certain amount of hours in, they actually give you a working computer (or in this case, they give my son a working computer). :)

    Sounds like the IT job is a definite win... :) I was refering more to the dead-end jobs, like in foodservice... And the dynamic is even more changed when one has a good job, with prospects, that is a very good
    fit. :) Enjoy your bike ride... <G>

    Ah the bike ride is getting better as I go. Had one of those experiences today that really makes me smack myself and wonder how much of the skills I've retained, though. I put in over an hour of work on something that really should've taken about 10 minutes, tops. Had to go and pick the hard way. 'Course, I've got integrity sometimes, so I didn't charge for that hour. ;) Still, realizing afterwards what I'd done means that I'm going to save that much time the next time I've got a similar problem in the future. Not such a bad thing, really.

    Definitely a nice turnaround of events for you. :)

    Things have been going well. I am bracing, however, for the next couple of days. My roommate has had a fever of 101.5+ _with_ generous application of ibuprofen and acetaminophen. I'm really hoping it doesn't hit me quite as bad.
    I'm the one where things with lung involvement usually stick around, though. So if it does get bad maybe I'll have to head in and see somebody... We'll see
    how it goes. I'll meditate more to keep from fulminating on the frustration. ;)
    Funny... I've maintained a pretty positive outlook for just putting down the
    cat that I loved so dearly, I'm realizing. Guess I'm doing something right. do still get misty once in awhile, of course. I'm suspecting that'll be the case for some time. Yet I've definitely been doing better than some negative others lately... Heh.
    Best wishes.

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Sat Jun 20 17:58:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 14-Jun-2015 21:10 <=-

    To say nothing of being something that can help work off the nervous
    energies... :)

    We're going to go and witness our first Aikido lesson tomorrow, and
    if all looks kosher we're going to get signed up then for the next available session. That is, of course, keeping my fingers crossed on
    this witch's brew that I feel going on in my chest right now, though.

    How did that go...? Did you get there...?

    But it's true, for all that... helping others does indeed help you work
    out your own issues, more likely than not... If nothing else, as we've
    said before, it provides perspective that focusing on one's self doesn't
    give so well... :)
    It does. I mean Free Geek isn't the opportunity for help like
    offering people a hand out of the gutter at the place I was being underpaid $7/hr for... But it's still knowing that I'm doing some thing nice. Plus, after you've got a certain amount of hours in, they
    actually give you a working computer (or in this case, they give my son
    a working computer). :)

    Would that be a place that you could get some sort of portable computer
    that you could take along while supervising the kid's activities...?

    Sounds like the IT job is a definite win... :) I was refering more to
    the dead-end jobs, like in foodservice... And the dynamic is even more
    changed when one has a good job, with prospects, that is a very good
    fit. :) Enjoy your bike ride... <G>
    Ah the bike ride is getting better as I go. Had one of those
    experiences today that really makes me smack myself and wonder how much of the skills I've retained, though. I put in over an hour of work on something that really should've taken about 10 minutes, tops. Had to
    go and pick the hard way. 'Course, I've got integrity sometimes, so I didn't charge for that hour. ;) Still, realizing afterwards what I'd done means that I'm going to save that much time the next time I've got
    a similar problem in the future. Not such a bad thing, really.

    Anyone can have a brain block at times... ;) Sometimes it just needs renewing... :)

    Things have been going well. I am bracing, however, for the next
    couple of days. My roommate has had a fever of 101.5+ _with_ generous application of ibuprofen and acetaminophen. I'm really hoping it
    doesn't hit me quite as bad. I'm the one where things with lung involvement usually stick around, though. So if it does get bad maybe I'll have to head in and see somebody... We'll see how it goes. I'll meditate more to keep from fulminating on the frustration. ;)

    Hopefully it didn't get to that for you...?

    Funny... I've maintained a pretty positive outlook for just putting
    down the cat that I loved so dearly, I'm realizing. Guess I'm doing something right. I do still get misty once in awhile, of course. I'm suspecting that'll be the case for some time. Yet I've definitely been doing better than some negative others lately... Heh.

    It may have helped that in some ways you saw it coming, and may have
    been (even unconciously) preparing yourself for the event... and knowing
    that it really was the kindest thing to do for the kitty... even with
    the loss...

    ttyl neb

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