From: Micky <misc07@bigfoot.com>

Is this venting dryer into utility closet a bad idea.

This problem is one that bothers my landlady a lot: All the
apartments were built with space for a washer and a dryer, with the
dryer next to an outside wall for venting the air.

But, I think it is her neighbor right next door (2 apts. per floor)
who rearranged his apartment and decided to revent the dryer.

There is utility stack (right word?) that has floor-to-ceiling metal
doors on each stairway landing. I didnt' stick my head in, because
it's pretty crowded, but I guess they go from the bottom to the top of
the building with no "floors" of their own. They carry the water
drain, the power, probably the water, and maybe the gas and the phone.


They are 12 to 18" deep, probably 14 to 16" and the one she opened was
about 30 or 36" wide, and there's another one just beside it. I
think they have a cement (or concrete?) wall in back and maybe the
sides, but if this could make a difference, I'm not sure and I can
probably find out.

So this is where the n'bor vented his dryer. I think you can see the
4" hose in the closet, up near the ceiling of the landing, which would
be half the distance from the floor to the ceiling of her apartment
and his.


When she first said closet, I thought clothes, boxes, and storage.
Not utilitiy closet. So I agreed that it was bad. But how bad is
it to vent the dryer into this space? What reasons? There is some
sort of condo association with rules, but of course, it if gets that
far, one usually has to explain why something is really violating the
rules.

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From: Micky <misc07@bigfoot.com>


Nevermind. Unless you know the answer!

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 17:09:57 +0300, Micky <misc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Is this venting dryer into utility closet a bad idea.

This problem is one that bothers my landlady a lot: All the
apartments were built with space for a washer and a dryer, with the
dryer next to an outside wall for venting the air.

But, I think it is her neighbor right next door (2 apts. per floor)
who rearranged his apartment and decided to revent the dryer.

There is utility stack (right word?) that has floor-to-ceiling metal
doors on each stairway landing. I didnt' stick my head in, because
it's pretty crowded, but I guess they go from the bottom to the top of
the building with no "floors" of their own. They carry the water
drain, the power, probably the water, and maybe the gas and the phone.

They are 12 to 18" deep, probably 14 to 16" and the one she opened was
about 30 or 36" wide, and there's another one just beside it. I
think they have a cement (or concrete?) wall in back and maybe the
sides, but if this could make a difference, I'm not sure and I can
probably find out.

So this is where the n'bor vented his dryer. I think you can see the
4" hose in the closet, up near the ceiling of the landing, which would
be half the distance from the floor to the ceiling of her apartment
and his.

When she first said closet, I thought clothes, boxes, and storage.
Not utilitiy closet. So I agreed that it was bad. But how bad is
it to vent the dryer into this space? What reasons? There is some
sort of condo association with rules, but of course, it if gets that
far, one usually has to explain why something is really violating the
rules.

--- NewsGate v1.0 gamma 2
* Origin: News Gate @ Net396 -Huntsville, AL - USA (1:396/4)

From: VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>

Micky <misc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Is this venting dryer into utility closet a bad idea.

This problem is one that bothers my landlady a lot: All the
apartments were built with space for a washer and a dryer, with the
dryer next to an outside wall for venting the air.

But, I think it is her neighbor right next door (2 apts. per floor)
who rearranged his apartment and decided to revent the dryer.

There is utility stack (right word?) that has floor-to-ceiling metal
doors on each stairway landing. I didnt' stick my head in, because
it's pretty crowded, but I guess they go from the bottom to the top of
the building with no "floors" of their own. They carry the water
drain, the power, probably the water, and maybe the gas and the phone.

They are 12 to 18" deep, probably 14 to 16" and the one she opened was
about 30 or 36" wide, and there's another one just beside it. I
think they have a cement (or concrete?) wall in back and maybe the
sides, but if this could make a difference, I'm not sure and I can
probably find out.

So this is where the n'bor vented his dryer. I think you can see the
4" hose in the closet, up near the ceiling of the landing, which would
be half the distance from the floor to the ceiling of her apartment
and his.

When she first said closet, I thought clothes, boxes, and storage.
Not utilitiy closet. So I agreed that it was bad. But how bad is
it to vent the dryer into this space? What reasons? There is some
sort of condo association with rules, but of course, it if gets that
far, one usually has to explain why something is really violating the
rules.

Dryers work by removing water from the clothing. Just where is all that moisture going to go? Is the dweller attempting to make it rain inside
his closet? Does he want his windows coated on the inside with rime
during the winter months?

Go dump a load of clothes in a wash tub. Pour in 2 buckets of water.
Now remove the clothes and wring them out as best you can with the water
wrung into the wash tub. The difference in water is what is left in the clothes. Now take that same amount of water to put into a bucket and
hurl the water into the closet (or the room if the closet isn't sealed).
Was that a good idea to do every week for a load of laundry? If the
dweller does N loads of laundry at a time, fill the bucket with N loads
of water that was left in the wrung out clothes and hurl that into the
closet. Good idea? No.

Just where is all the water getting dried out of the clothes going to
go? Into the closet to soak its airspace and condense on the walls and
drip onto the floor and leak out into the room and create high humidity problems there? Is this dweller cultivating mold?

So there is a utility access across floors. You think electricity and
plumbing need outside air access? Why would that utility access have
any outside air access? So instead of hurling water into the closet,
this dweller is hurling water into a closed flue. If the landlord is concerned, have him/her call the housing inspector and fine this abusive dweller that made changes without a valid permit and possibly without
any permission of the property owner. You said landlady which means the neighbor does not own that property that he modified. Just because some
boob wants to modify their residence doesn't grant them permission to do
so nor does it mean they know what the hell they are doing.

Then there is the lint. No dryer catches all lint from the dried load
of clothing. That means lint will accumulate in the utility access
which becomes a fire hazard. Lint expelled outside wafts around and
should not collect (else it is a fire hazard).

If you are going to dry inside, get rid of the dryer. Just use cords to
hang the wash. That would be slower evaporation so humidity may remain
low enough not to damage the sheetrock walls, rust the pipes or any
electrical panels, or whatever else lines or is inside the utility
access.

And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic of THIS newsgroup (anti-virus).
--- NewsGate v1.0 gamma 2
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From: VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>

Oh, another thing, you never said if the dryer was gas or electric. If
gas, where is this renovating dweller expelling the exhaust after moving everything since the old exhaust to outside is no longer used? Is he
also poisoning the utility access? We have a gas dryer. There is just
one exhaust (to the outside). It carries both the dampened air from
drying the load of clothes AND any fumes from the burning flames. Where
are the fumes going to go if the burner doesn't light or only partially
lights? So this renovating dweller doesn't care about carbon monoxide poisoning himself and the other residents, huh?

Hot air in the dryer will convert synthetic materials in clothing to
styrene which when inhaled will cool and coat your lungs (aka popcorn
lungs aka bronchiolitis obliterans). Dryer exhaust contains a
psychotropic drug (1,2Di-ethylene exachloride, a volatile organic
compound) when drying polymers; e.g., lycra when heated over 20 C.

Venting indoors using a gas dryer is toxous. Venting indors using a gas
dryer is destructive (due to the high humidity). Both still expel some
lint which becomes a fire hazard when accumulated. It might only glow
when lit (remember there is hot parts to a dryer and someone working on
pipes in the utility access might be soldering pipes) so you start to
wonder "what is that burning smell" but it can cause a fire. When you
next do a load of towels or blankets so you have a hefty wad of lint,
take a lit match to it. You had better not be holding the lint in your
palm. Have a buddy that is a volunteer fire fighter. In a year, he
sees 2-4 fires, or more, or hears about them from other firefighters
that were caused by dryer lint (the home owner's didn't clean or replace
the exhaust tube, especially for forgetful owners that don't clean the
lint trap, or they let some lint drop to the floor where it accumulated
under the dryer). Clothes burn. Lint burns even better. Flour will
burn and even explode if you hurl it into the air across a flame (go
lookup "flour explosion, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIkk0D2tUU8
to make a home made bomb).

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/statistics/v13i7.pdf https://www.usfa.fema.gov/prevention/outreach/clothes_dryers.html http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/angies-list/thousands-of-fires-are-sparked-each-year-by-clogged-dryer-vents

If this renovating dweller thinks it is safe and they have a pet or a
kid, see if they will risk putting their pet or kid in the closet and
have the dryer exhaust into the closed closet.

I think the landlady needs to sic the housing inspector on this
code-breaking renovating dweller.
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From: Diesel <me@privacy.net>

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> news:ek7ruiFgv0bU1@mid.individual.net Fri,
31 Mar 2017 20:19:30 GMT in alt.comp.anti-virus, wrote:

Micky <misc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Is this venting dryer into utility closet a bad idea.

This problem is one that bothers my landlady a lot: All the
apartments were built with space for a washer and a dryer, with
the dryer next to an outside wall for venting the air.

But, I think it is her neighbor right next door (2 apts. per
floor) who rearranged his apartment and decided to revent the
dryer.

There is utility stack (right word?) that has floor-to-ceiling
metal doors on each stairway landing. I didnt' stick my head in,
because it's pretty crowded, but I guess they go from the bottom
to the top of the building with no "floors" of their own. They
carry the water drain, the power, probably the water, and maybe
the gas and the phone.

They are 12 to 18" deep, probably 14 to 16" and the one she
opened was about 30 or 36" wide, and there's another one just
beside it. I think they have a cement (or concrete?) wall in
back and maybe the sides, but if this could make a difference,
I'm not sure and I can probably find out.

So this is where the n'bor vented his dryer. I think you can see
the 4" hose in the closet, up near the ceiling of the landing,
which would be half the distance from the floor to the ceiling of
her apartment and his.

When she first said closet, I thought clothes, boxes, and
storage. Not utilitiy closet. So I agreed that it was bad.
But how bad is it to vent the dryer into this space? What
reasons? There is some sort of condo association with rules,
but of course, it if gets that far, one usually has to explain
why something is really violating the rules.

Dryers work by removing water from the clothing. Just where is
all that moisture going to go? Is the dweller attempting to make
it rain inside his closet? Does he want his windows coated on the
inside with rime during the winter months?

That's not all you might find going thru the exhaust vent, though.
Anything the filter doesn't catch is passed on thru as well. This
could potentially become a fire hazard when/if enough dryer lint
builds up. As, a lot of heat is also coming out of that vent.

I'd say, leave it as it is.. and when something shorts out (due to
moisture) and/or catches fire inside that closet, well, it'll be one
of those life lessons that some people just can't seem to avoid
having to learn, the hard way.

Just where is all the water getting dried out of the clothes going
to go? Into the closet to soak its airspace and condense on the
walls and drip onto the floor and leak out into the room and
create high humidity problems there? Is this dweller cultivating
mold?

that too. Mold, fire hazard due to expelled lint that's being heated,
etc.

So there is a utility access across floors. You think electricity
and plumbing need outside air access? Why would that utility
access have any outside air access? So instead of hurling water
into the closet, this dweller is hurling water into a closed flue.
If the landlord is concerned, have him/her call the housing
inspector and fine this abusive dweller that made changes without
a valid permit and possibly without any permission of the property
owner. You said landlady which means the neighbor does not own
that property that he modified. Just because some boob wants to
modify their residence doesn't grant them permission to do so nor
does it mean they know what the hell they are doing.

Then there is the lint. No dryer catches all lint from the dried
load of clothing. That means lint will accumulate in the utility
access which becomes a fire hazard. Lint expelled outside wafts
around and should not collect (else it is a fire hazard).

Oh ####, I should have read your post further. :) You had the same
thought as I did.

And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic of
THIS newsgroup (anti-virus).

Yep, and good luck to the OP. If they don't have renters insurance,
they might want to consider it. That way, if/when something burns,
they'll stand a chance of being reimbursed for the losses.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are
too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get
by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
--- NewsGate v1.0 gamma 2
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From: VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>

Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

Yep, and good luck to the OP. If they don't have renters insurance,
they might want to consider it. That way, if/when something burns,
they'll stand a chance of being reimbursed for the losses.

Since the utility access is a common or shared building portion, this is
for a multi-unit dwelling. So the ignorant renovating resident is going
to #### over the other residents in their shared dwellings. Consider
this abusive dweller the same as some ####### that runs a meth lab in
their unit: their dwelling and the surrounding ones will get destroyed
(even if only partially to remove the shared walls) from contamination.
The renovating boob doesn't give a #### how he ####s over the other
residents.

Too bad this boob doesn't exhaust into his bedroom. Then we'd be read
about the boob at Darwin Awards (http://www.darwinawards.com/).

The landlady has grounds for evicting this ignorant tenant (unless she
or the property owner were also stupid in granting his change of what is
NOT his property). Evict, have him fined for code violation, and charge
for the cost of repairs to bring the unit back to code.

Micky never mentioned where is this boob. He should do a search on
"<county> housing code violation report" to find out where to tell the
landlady to sic the inspector on this boob's ass. If he's done this
#### with just the dryer, he may have been "creative" with the exhausts
from the water heater and furnace, too. If his dryer is electric, turn
off his electricity until he re-renovates to bring the unit back into
code compliance.
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