• Cheap Hosting...

    From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to All on Mon Dec 28 22:03:30 2020
    I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.

    The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP, 120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year. I've got a test domain sitting on it now, but I'd forgotten what it's like when you don't have SSH access to the system - or SCP. I've got to FTP files to/from it.

    Just like it's 2000 all over again.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 29 08:33:00 2020
    Hello poindexter!

    ** On Tuesday 29.12.20 - 01:03, poindexter.fortran wrote to All:

    I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.

    The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP, 120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year.

    Per YEAR? That's pretty darn good. But I only see per MONTH
    figures on their site. Or.. are you getting an exclusive because
    you are previous customer?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 29 12:40:45 2020
    Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 10:03 pm

    I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.

    The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP, 120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year. I've got a test domain sitting on it now, but I'd forgotten what it's like when you don't have SSH access to the system - or SCP. I've got to FTP files to/from it.


    that's too cheap. i'd expect bad service for that much. i've seen bad service for that much.
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 29 15:25:43 2020
    poindexter wrote:
    I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.

    The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP, 120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year. I've got a test domain sitting on it now, but I'd forgotten what it's like when you don't have SSH access to the system - or SCP. I've got to FTP files to/from it.

    Just like it's 2000 all over again.

    Check out lowendbox.com

    I snagged a 4cpu host with 4gb and 90gb hard disk with 4TB of bandwidth for
    $70 a year with full KVM (none of that openvz crap). I run my bbs on that.

    My other server is $59 a year with 4gb 3 cpu, 75gb disk space anf 5tb of b/w.

    You can get some crazy good deals. Just make sure you go for a provider that's been around for a while. There was an influx of new companies all offering great deals and then they shutdown within in a few months, taking all the payments with them.

    Also, check lowendtalk.com for feedback on companies.

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Tue Dec 29 15:27:38 2020
    MRO wrote:
    Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 10:03 pm

    I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.

    The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP,
    120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year. I've got a test domain sitting on it
    now, but I'd forgotten what it's like when you don't have SSH access to the system - or SCP. I've got to FTP files to/from it.

    Oh wait, $9 a year. Yeah. One of those reseller type accounts or something. They're cheap but you lose a lot of the freedom and configuratability.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nelgin on Wed Dec 30 02:02:29 2020
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 29 2020 03:25 pm

    Check out lowendbox.com

    I snagged a 4cpu host with 4gb and 90gb hard disk with 4TB of bandwidth for $70 a year with full KVM (none of that openvz crap). I run my bbs on that.

    i used lowendbox a lot. a lot of those providers
    are fly by night operations or just crappy vps providers.

    i used to slum it for a long time. it's better to just get an ovh server
    right now i am renting a server and i am hosting a couple of bbses for people they chip in and my friend chips in with me.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Wed Dec 30 06:11:00 2020
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Per YEAR? That's pretty darn good. But I only see per MONTH
    figures on their site. Or.. are you getting an exclusive because
    you are previous customer?

    I got a one-time deal and I keep renewing it, because I'll never see
    a deal like it again.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Wed Dec 30 06:11:00 2020
    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    that's too cheap. i'd expect bad service for that much. i've seen bad service for that much.

    Yeah, but you're pretty cynical.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nelgin on Wed Dec 30 07:02:00 2020
    Nelgin wrote to MRO <=-

    Oh wait, $9 a year. Yeah. One of those reseller type accounts or something. They're cheap but you lose a lot of the freedom and configuratability.

    I'm realistic about what I'm getting - I can run Wordpress on it for
    a project I'm working on, and they have a bunch of one-click installs
    I can set up and burn down at will.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 30 23:43:14 2020
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Dec 30 2020 06:11 am

    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    that's too cheap. i'd expect bad service for that much. i've seen
    bad service for that much.

    Yeah, but you're pretty cynical.


    well i used a lot of cheap providers. you never used it and didnt remember having it so you cant really comment on it.


    *I* can.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 3 19:10:00 2021
    Hello poindexter!

    ** On Wednesday 30.12.20 - 06:11, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

    Per YEAR? That's pretty darn good. But I only see per
    MONTH figures on their site. Or.. are you getting an
    exclusive because you are previous customer?

    I got a one-time deal and I keep renewing it, because I'll
    never see a deal like it again.

    Unless they are undercutting the service in some unknown way to
    you to make up for their losses, you're very fortunate that they
    even maintain the $9/yr offer.

    This is not hosting related, but it is a similar grandfathered
    pricing story:

    I had a promo offer from Rogers for their mobile internet one
    time that would take me from $35/mo for 4GB to $40 for 5GB. I
    grabbed it at the time because 4GB seemed really insufficient.

    Then, later when it came time to renew for another year (but I
    was really on a monthly program by then), they were promoting
    newer mobile USB devices (requiring a new device purchase) and a
    commitment to at least 2 years on contract. I could have done
    that, and probably gained 3G LTE too, but the outlay for the new
    device and being locked-in for 2 years seemed over zealous. Also
    at that time, the entry point for 5GB was $50/mo! plus $10/mo if
    I went over the standard 5GB usage.

    I decided to stick with 5GB at $40/mo thank you very much -
    although technically it was a tad slower than 3G LTE.

    I monitored my data usage with a program on my laptop, so I
    hardly ever went over if I didn't have to. Overage was still $5/
    mo instead of $10/mo at that time.

    Rogers practically had to continue with the last 5GB for $40/mo
    of my last offer because I was using "their" device, and I had
    agreed to their original requirements. They were in no legal
    position to change the terms and force me to change.


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  • From Terminator@VERT/SBBSVA to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Mar 17 02:20:33 2021
    On Mon 28-Dec-2020 22:03 , Poindexter Fortran@1:275/201.0 wrote:

    I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.

    The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP, 120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year. I've got a test domain sitting on it now, but I'd forgotten what it's like when you don't have SSH access to
    the system - or SCP. I've got to FTP files to/from it.

    Just like it's 2000 all over again.

    They are closed
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  • From Terminator@VERT/SBBSVA to Nelgin on Wed Mar 17 02:26:17 2021
    On Tue 29-Dec-2020 15:25 , Nelgin@1:275/201.0 said to Poindexter Fortran:

    Check out lowendbox.com

    I snagged a 4cpu host with 4gb and 90gb hard disk with 4TB of bandwidth
    for
    $70 a year with full KVM (none of that openvz crap). I run my bbs on that.

    My other server is $59 a year with 4gb 3 cpu, 75gb disk space anf 5tb of b/w.

    You can get some crazy good deals. Just make sure you go for a provider that's
    been around for a while. There was an influx of new companies all offering great deals and then they shutdown within in a few months, taking all the payments with them.

    There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very small bbs systems. --- CNet/5
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Terminator on Thu Mar 18 09:21:00 2021
    There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very small bbs systems. --- CNet/5

    i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS .. when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.

    even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any internet connection is overkill for a bbs.

    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..

    to each their own i guess

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Thu Mar 18 19:40:42 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: fusion to Terminator on Thu Mar 18 2021 09:21 am

    There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very small bbs systems. --- CNet/5

    i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS .. when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.

    even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any internet connection is overkill for a bbs.

    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..

    to each their own i guess


    i've ran my bbses on a hosted server for years and i love it. very stable and it's not that much money. less computers in the house. if they want to talk to me they can email me and i get it right away.

    i use proxmox and create vms for it to run.
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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to MRO on Fri Mar 19 01:27:59 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: MRO to fusion on Thu Mar 18 2021 19:40:42

    If both bbs and sysio are running linux I have a pager for that situation, though email/discord might be better. Buyt still usefull for recreating the retro experience...

    Marisa
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Marisag on Fri Mar 19 09:40:00 2021
    If both bbs and sysio are running linux I have a pager for that
    situation, though email/discord might be better. Buyt still usefull for recreating the retro experience...

    interesting. like a cell phone type of pager or something different? i
    remember you used to be able to email like: <phonenumber>@<carrier>.com or whatever to send texts.. i wonder if that still works. though if you don't route an internet email address to your users you couldn't respond. who
    knows, all this work and your users might just text profanities to you all
    day lol

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to fusion on Fri Mar 19 14:13:01 2021
    fusion wrote:
    interesting. like a cell phone type of pager or something different? i remember you used to be able to email like: <phonenumber>@<carrier>.com or whatever to send texts.. i wonder if that still works. though if you don't route an internet email address to your users you couldn't respond. who knows, all this work and your users might just text profanities to you all day lol

    Sure does.

    YOu can use both tmomail.net and mymetropcs.com with MetroPCS and I guess tmomail.net will work with T-Mobile. Verizon works with vtext.com

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to fusion on Fri Mar 19 13:22:05 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: fusion to Terminator on Thu Mar 18 2021 09:21:00

    i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS .. when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.

    even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any internet connection is overkill for a bbs.

    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..

    I couldn't agree more.
    -+-

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 16:47:11 2021
    Lupine wrote:
    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..

    I couldn't agree more.

    What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nelgin on Fri Mar 19 16:57:57 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 04:47 pm

    Lupine wrote:
    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..

    I couldn't agree more.

    What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.

    You can usually pay a little more for static IP address and get a 5-pack. I've had 5-packs since the late '90s with DSL and cable modem service.
    --
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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to fusion on Sat Mar 20 00:11:38 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: fusion to Marisag on Fri Mar 19 2021 09:40:00

    interesting. like a cell phone type of pager or something different? i remember you used to be able to email like: <phonenumber>@<carrier>.com or

    It will play a audio file locally when someone pages you the bbs...

    Marisa
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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Nelgin on Fri Mar 19 23:08:35 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 16:47:11

    What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.

    I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.
    -+-

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    SSH: furmenservices.net:23222
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Digital Man on Sat Mar 20 03:37:06 2021
    Digital wrote:
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 04:47 pm

    Lupine wrote:
    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..

    I couldn't agree more.

    What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those
    addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.

    You can usually pay a little more for static IP address and get a 5-pack. I've had 5-packs since the late '90s with DSL and cable modem service.

    For Frontier FiOS, I believe you have to get the business service to get
    static IP addresses. It's not just a few bucks more. I think my VPS was
    cheaper than a years worth of static IP.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nelgin on Sat Mar 20 04:36:38 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 16:47:11


    Nelgin> What if you already have one IP and you're already running
    Nelgin> services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give
    Nelgin> residential customers more than one IP.

    you're still thinking in IPv4 terms... IPv6 comes in blocks of addresses... IPv6 is generally allocated to end users in /48 blocks... a /48 is 65535 LAN segments which the end user can further subdivide... more than enough
    addresses for the average end user's site even if it is fully loaded with fridges, freezers, stoves, lamps, etc all internet capable and connected... and there's still plenty of addresses in there free to use for servers and
    such...

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and every address is meant to
    be accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...


    )\/(ark

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Rampage on Sat Mar 20 07:20:57 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Rampage to Nelgin on Sat Mar 20 2021 04:36 am

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of prote
    your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and every address is meant to
    be accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...


    I am not sorry for NAT. You can still use a firewall on both the router and your home computers.

    I am more worried about the state of ipv6 firewalling itself being a mess (if you check the relevant RFC's you'll see what I
    mean), the fact you don't get to assign your own subnetworks and logical segments unless the ISP allows you to do so (because
    if they don't offer you proper prefix delegation, all you get is a LAN network you cannot divide), and the fact IP blacklists
    are not going to work anymore (a botnet-infected device has lots of ips to choose from, so if its IP gets banned, it is easier
    to get a new one than it used to be).

    --
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Marisag on Sat Mar 20 18:34:48 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Marisag to MRO on Fri Mar 19 2021 01:27 am

    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: MRO to fusion on Thu Mar 18 2021 19:40:42

    If both bbs and sysio are running linux I have a pager for that situation, though email/discord might be better. Buyt still usefull for recreating the retro experience...

    Marisa


    quote your replies, please.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Rampage on Sat Mar 20 18:56:00 2021
    Hello Rampage!

    ** On Saturday 20.03.21 - 04:36, Rampage wrote to Nelgin:

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
    which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
    protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
    meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
    accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
    thinking, really...

    Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
    NAT?


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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Rampage on Sat Mar 20 21:10:21 2021
    *** Quoting Rampage from a message to Nelgin ***

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of protect your
    devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and
    every address is meant to be accessible from everywhere... it is a
    huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...

    I think it can depend on your router whether things are "hidden". I use Google WiFi for example, and while every device (that supports IPv6) has a public IPv6 address, the router still acts as a firewall for all of those devices. I still have to "open" ports on the router for these devices if I want them accessible on the open internet.

    Windows firewall on Windows 10 also blocks pinging by default, so my laptop still shows up as "stealth" even on IPv6.

    Jay

    ... Either one of us, by himself, is expendable. Both of us are not.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sun Mar 21 06:57:38 2021
    Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Ogg to Rampage on Sat Mar 20 2021 06:56 pm

    Hello Rampage!

    ** On Saturday 20.03.21 - 04:36, Rampage wrote to Nelgin:

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
    which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
    protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
    meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
    accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
    thinking, really...

    Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
    NAT?

    ipv6-to-ipv6 NAT exists, but:

    1) It is not widespread in consumer-grade routers. If you use a custom built router or an "advanced" or ISP/WISP grade one, you
    have a chance of having it supported.

    2) Many programs won't work over ipv6-to-ipv6 NAT even if they actually work over NAT4. End-to-end connectivity is pretty much
    expected from ipv6 networks and things may break if this is not given.

    3) Even if NAT is implemented, firewalls are supposed to leat a whole lot of ICMP traffic in an out as to allow proper
    prefix-delegation and address assignment. The relevant RFC is there for everybody to see.

    TL;DR: It exists but it sucks.

    --
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Lupine Furmen on Sun Mar 21 07:38:00 2021
    Lupine Furmen wrote to Nelgin <=-

    I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the
    same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.

    One thing I'm playing with is setting up a reverse proxy for web services.
    Set up the proxy on the outside IP, or NAT into it, then use the proxy to point subdirectories or virtual hosts off of that IP to internal hosts.

    I'm using a router with DD-WRT, and with a package called Entware, it'll support Linux applications. It's going to run NGINX as a main web server,
    then proxy to my internal hosts.

    Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in, but
    that's easier to deal with than users or applications that expect to be on ports 80 or 443.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Sun Mar 21 07:40:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Rampage <=-

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
    which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
    protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
    meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
    accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
    thinking, really...

    Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
    NAT?

    I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-old, where everything is on the network?



    ... Display your talent
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 21 16:00:02 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Sun Mar 21 2021 07:40:00


    I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-old,
    where everything is on the network?

    that means that providers can then count every device on your network and possibly charge you per device like the cable companies charge you for so many TVs be connected and like the telcos used to do charging you for each
    telephone handset...


    )\/(ark

    ---
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 21 17:17:00 2021
    Hello poindexter!

    Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router
    with a NAT?

    I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-
    old, where everything is on the network?

    The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
    someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
    attached devices.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Rampage on Mon Mar 22 02:12:19 2021
    Rampage wrote:
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 16:47:11


    Nelgin> What if you already have one IP and you're already running
    Nelgin> services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give
    Nelgin> residential customers more than one IP.

    you're still thinking in IPv4 terms... IPv6 comes in blocks of addresses... IPv6 is generally allocated to end users in /48 blocks... a /48 is 65535 LAN segments which the end user can further subdivide... more than enough
    addresses for the average end user's site even if it is fully loaded with fridges, freezers, stoves, lamps, etc all internet capable and connected... and there's still plenty of addresses in there free to use for servers and
    such...

    Yes, of course I'm talking in ipv4 terms, because most ISPs are not giving out ipv6 to customers, especially residential customers. Verizon doesn't (or didn't) and neither do Frontier. I think some of the cable companies do but overall, I would say that residential ipv6 is few and far between with most users probably not even aware of it. And yes, I do know what ipv6 is. I've
    been "Sage" certified with HE since 2009.

    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and every address is meant to
    be accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...

    Yes, ipv6 does make a firewall absolutely necessary for any system running it.

    ---
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Rampage on Mon Mar 22 02:13:07 2021
    I mis-spoke - Sage certified since 2016. :)

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Mon Mar 22 04:33:58 2021
    Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 21 2021 05:17 pm

    Hello poindexter!

    Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router
    with a NAT?

    I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-
    old, where everything is on the network?

    The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
    someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
    attached devices.

    Yes, this is why I call bullshit on people who is happy because we are finally going to have end-to-end connectivity from any
    device to any device with ipv6.

    Just not gonna happen.

    First thing everybody is going to do in his network is set a firewall up, NAT or no NAT. And once the firewall is up, devices
    will only be reachable and end-to-end connectable if the administrator deigns to open the ports for you. Exactly like we have
    right now, but with the disadvantages:

    * Now everybody knows your network topology.
    * Your firewall is not half as cool as it used to be, because you are supposed to let a lot of control traffic in an out just
    so your devices can be assigned addresses.
    * The ISP gets to decide how you manage your network topology. If you want to segment your network in a certain way, the ISP
    must provide you with your own block, or you have to resort to local addresses that are not Internet routable (and thus defeat
    ipv6's purpose).

    One big advantage, though:

    * You can have multiple devices in the same LAN offer the same port to the public. If you had two web servers behind a nat
    offering port 80, you could not just forward a port to each because the router can only offer a single port 80 to the public.
    You had to use some reverse proxy or relayer middleman. With NATless ipv6, you may skip the reverse proxy. You may still want
    to use it for other reasons, but you are not forced to.

    In my opinion, ipv6 is a net gain to ISPs and big data, because ones get to control your network, and the others get to see
    your network, but for end users... not worth it.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to fusion on Mon Mar 22 06:59:16 2021
    On 3/18/2021 2:21 AM, fusion wrote:
    There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very
    small bbs systems. --- CNet/5

    i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS ..
    when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able
    to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.

    even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked
    just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private
    dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any
    internet connection is overkill for a bbs.

    i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc
    your options might be limited..

    to each their own i guess

    For me it's the cost as much as anything... I had a business plan from
    my ISP for a long while, I recently went to residential, up to 1gb up,
    200mb down and it's cheaper than my business plan was. The ~$15 or so I
    spend on the BBS VPS is less than the $180/month more that a gigabit
    business plan from my ISP would be.

    Not to mention, limiting the ingress points into my home network from
    the outside world. That and not having to worry about hardware failures
    etc is pretty nice. I ran bare metal from 2002-2004 or so on my
    desktop, then a server at a friend's work for a couple years, then on a business plan in a VM on a server hosted at home... Drive going bad,
    corrupted VM and had it up/down a few times since around 2012 or so.

    Now, I've spent a couple hours a week just going through messages and tinkering on mods. I only keep my desktop running other than my NAS
    mostly and do have a couple rpis I could use for this. I just like that
    it's always on with hardware I don't have to deal with.

    I script all the things, and from a user PoV, it's exactly the same or
    better.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    Synchronet Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Digital Man on Mon Mar 22 07:05:04 2021
    On 3/19/2021 4:57 PM, Digital Man wrote:
    What if you already have one IP and you're already running services
    on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential
    customers more than one IP.

    You can usually pay a little more for static IP address and get a
    5-pack. I've had 5-packs since the late '90s with DSL and cable
    modem service.

    On residential? wild... I think I was paying around $36/mo for my /28 (16-addresses, 14 usable). IIRC smallest I could get on my business
    account. Still more than I pay for the BBS VPS.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    Synchronet Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Mon Mar 22 07:09:14 2021
    On 3/20/2021 5:20 AM, Arelor wrote:

    I am not sorry for NAT. You can still use a firewall on both
    the router and your home computers.

    I am more worried about the state of ipv6 firewalling itself
    being a mess (if you check the relevant RFC's you'll see what
    I mean), the fact you don't get to assign your own subnetworks
    and logical segments unless the ISP allows you to do so (because
    if they don't offer you proper prefix delegation, all you get is
    a LAN network you cannot divide), and the fact IP blacklists are
    not going to work anymore (a botnet-infected device has lots of
    ips to choose from, so if its IP gets banned, it is easier
    to get a new one than it used to be).

    Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there
    are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    Synchronet Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Ogg on Mon Mar 22 07:10:53 2021
    On 3/20/2021 3:56 PM, Ogg wrote:
    the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
    which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
    protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
    meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
    accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
    thinking, really...

    Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
    NAT?

    There's not much point to it... For the most part, you just do a
    local broadcast route from a router, you can still setup
    inbound/outbound rules to block inbound traffic, etc. Most residential
    ISPs aren't great at block allocations, and home routers don't do such a
    great job either.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    Synchronet Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 22 07:14:28 2021
    On 3/21/2021 7:38 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the
    same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.

    One thing I'm playing with is setting up a reverse proxy for web services. Set up the proxy on the outside IP, or NAT into it, then use the proxy to point subdirectories or virtual hosts off of that IP to internal hosts.

    I'm using a router with DD-WRT, and with a package called Entware, it'll support Linux applications. It's going to run NGINX as a main web server, then proxy to my internal hosts.

    Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in, but that's easier to deal with than users or applications that expect to be on ports 80 or 443.

    For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports to
    telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that would
    limit sftp to the one system.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    Synchronet Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 22 20:31:32 2021
    Tracker1 wrote:
    Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there
    are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.

    Actually, it's one way around sending email from residential IPs that are usually blocked. My ISP can't block my ipv6 tunnel, I can relay email to any mail server that responds with an AAAA address or I could relay it to one of
    my VPS boxes, which is a mail server, and go from there. That means I have
    more less prying eyes on my email.

    ---
    Synchronet End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com
  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 22 20:32:39 2021
    Tracker1 wrote:
    On 3/21/2021 7:38 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the
    same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.

    One thing I'm playing with is setting up a reverse proxy for web services. >> Set up the proxy on the outside IP, or NAT into it, then use the proxy to
    point subdirectories or virtual hosts off of that IP to internal hosts.

    I'm using a router with DD-WRT, and with a package called Entware, it'll
    support Linux applications. It's going to run NGINX as a main web server,
    then proxy to my internal hosts.

    Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in, but
    that's easier to deal with than users or applications that expect to be on >> ports 80 or 443.

    For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports to telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that would
    limit sftp to the one system.

    Which means you'd be paying for a service to redirect your ports plug the
    added latency. You might as well get a $50pa VPS.

    ---
    Synchronet End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nelgin on Tue Mar 23 04:23:31 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 22 2021 08:31 pm

    Tracker1 wrote:
    Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.

    Actually, it's one way around sending email from residential IPs that are usually blocked. My ISP can't block my ipv6 tunnel
    can relay email to any mail server that responds with an AAAA address or I could relay it to one of
    my VPS boxes, which is a mail server, and go from there. That means I have more less prying eyes on my email.


    Well, but if I understand your setup, what is saving you is your ability to tunnel, rather than the fact you are using ipv6
    specifically.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
    Synchronet Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Arelor on Tue Mar 23 11:16:06 2021
    Arelor wrote:
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Nelgin to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 22 2021 08:31 pm

    Tracker1 wrote:
    Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.

    Actually, it's one way around sending email from residential IPs that are usually blocked. My ISP can't block my ipv6 tunnel
    can relay email to any mail server that responds with an AAAA address or I could relay it to one of
    my VPS boxes, which is a mail server, and go from there. That means I have more less prying eyes on my email.


    Well, but if I understand your setup, what is saving you is your ability to tunnel, rather than the fact you are using ipv6
    specifically.

    Correct.

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    Synchronet End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Mar 22 11:04:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
    someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
    attached devices.

    You'd still want a transit LAN in front of your subnet; although I suppose
    the routing would be an unscaleable nightmare.

    With a transit LAN you could set up a firewall with one of the transit LAN
    IPs on the WAN side and your "personal" network on the LAN side. You'd still have access to all of the systems to/from the internet, but control them through the firewall.




    ... Is it finished?
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Tue Mar 23 07:07:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports to telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that would
    limit sftp to the one system.

    Right now, I only have one BBS that I'd want inbound SSH access to. Any
    other SSH systems I can NAT in from an alternate port and not worry about
    it.


    ... Apotheosis was the beginning before the beginning.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    Synchronet realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 24 09:25:22 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon Mar 22 2021 11:04 am

    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
    someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
    attached devices.

    You'd still want a transit LAN in front of your subnet; although I suppose the routing would be an unscaleable nightmare.

    With a transit LAN you could set up a firewall with one of the transit LAN IPs on the WAN side and your "personal" network on the LAN side. You'd still have
    access to all of the systems to/from the internet, but control them through the
    firewall.




    ... Is it finished?

    But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a subnettable block. Which is exactly what pisses me
    off.


    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Arelor on Wed Mar 24 14:23:16 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 24 2021 09:25:22


    Arelor> But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without
    Arelor> some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a
    Arelor> subnettable block. Which is exactly what pisses me off.

    are you saying that an IPv6 /48 is not large enough to subnet? i mean, there's 65535 LAN segments in there so it should be pretty easy to subnet...


    )\/(ark

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Rampage on Wed Mar 24 15:54:48 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Rampage to Arelor on Wed Mar 24 2021 02:23 pm

    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 24 2021 09:25:22


    Arelor> But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without
    Arelor> some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a
    Arelor> subnettable block. Which is exactly what pisses me off.

    are you saying that an IPv6 /48 is not large enough to subnet? i mean, there 65535 LAN segments in there so it should be pretty easy to subnet...


    )\/(ark


    It is not a problem of having a big or small address-space, by any means.

    The problem is that if you want a proper subnet out of the address-space that has been given to you, they have to have DHCP-PD on their end, you have to be able to ask them for prefixes, and they have to deliver them to you.

    Many ISPs actually do this. Then other ISPs don't.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Arelor on Wed Mar 24 18:30:40 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Arelor to Rampage on Wed Mar 24 2021 15:54:48

    Arelor>>> But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without
    Arelor>>> some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a
    Arelor>>> subnettable block. Which is exactly what pisses me off.

    Rampage>> are you saying that an IPv6 /48 is not large enough to
    Rampage>> subnet? i mean, there 65535 LAN segments in there so it
    Rampage>> should be pretty easy to subnet...

    Arelor> It is not a problem of having a big or small address-space,
    Arelor> by any means.

    then i'm (still) not understanding what you are saying...

    Arelor> The problem is that if you want a proper subnet out of the
    Arelor> address-space that has been given to you, they have to have
    Arelor> DHCP-PD on their end, you have to be able to ask them for
    Arelor> prefixes, and they have to deliver them to you.

    yeah, i'm definitely not understanding you...

    if i'm given an IPv6 /48 block of addresses, i put that into my DHCP server and configure it to hand out those addresses any way i want... so i could take my /48 and have my DHCP server hand out /50s giving me 4 internal
    subnets... or i could split it into 8 /51s... or even 32 /53s... the only thing that matters is that my DHCP can adjust to the new /48 prefix that my ISP may allocate if i do not have a static /48 with them... as long as my
    DHCP server can do that, everything should work just fine...

    i mean, they've already delivered a /48 to me and after that, it is out of their hands... every attempt to connect to an address in my /48 will be sent to my perimeter to be handled further from there...

    what am i missing?

    Arelor> Many ISPs actually do this. Then other ISPs don't.

    yeah, ISPs are quite different and some really don't understand the technology..


    )\/(ark

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nelgin on Wed Mar 24 16:21:20 2021
    On 3/22/2021 6:32 PM, Nelgin wrote:
    Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in,
    but that's easier to deal with than users or applications that
    expect to be on ports 80 or 443.

    For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports
    to telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that
    would limit sftp to the one system.

    Which means you'd be paying for a service to redirect your ports
    plug the added latency. You might as well get a $50pa VPS.

    I was under the assumption the proxy would be local to the other
    systems, and if you're talking telnet etc, the latency isn't really an
    issue.

    That said, still prefer vps myself. Don't have anything potentially
    high target running at home to draw attention to.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    Synchronet Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Rampage on Thu Mar 25 04:39:50 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Rampage to Arelor on Wed Mar 24 2021 06:30 pm

    if i'm given an IPv6 /48 block of addresses, i put that into my DHCP server and configure it to hand out those addresses any
    way i want... so i could take my /48 and have my DHCP server hand out /50s giving me 4 internal
    subnets... or i could split it into 8 /51s... or even 32 /53s... the only thing that matters is that my DHCP can adjust to t
    new /48 prefix that my ISP may allocate if i do not have a static /48 with them... as long as my
    DHCP server can do that, everything should work just fine...

    That's the point, if you aren't given a static block, you are screwed.

    Not so uncommon scenario:

    ISP->Home router->LAN 1->Inner Router->LAN 2

    The official way of having LAN 2 have a consistent way of managing dynamic addresses is prefix delegation. Home Router 1 gets
    an assignment from the ISP. Then Inner Router gets an assignment from Home Router. Otherwise, if the ISP block changes, the
    addresses in LAN 2 get stale and you are not Internet routable anymore.

    I have heard about this configuration called prefix cascading.

    The problem is that a lot of ISPs won't delegate a dellegatable prefix to you (ie you get a /64 or the Prefix Exclude Option
    set and that's it). And if they don't, many ISP won't have their household supplied routers actually delegate prefixes to Inner
    Router's, and since modern ISPs are trying very hard to prevent you from using a custom router as a WAN gateway, you are pretty
    much stuck without prefix cascading unless you incur in great efforts.

    Which ends up never happening

    Because what you do is disable ipv6 in the inner network instead and rant in Dovenet that ipv6 is an overengineered power grab
    by ISPs.


    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Thu Mar 25 20:17:00 2021
    On 03-24-21 09:25, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a subnettable block. Which
    is exactly what pisses me off.

    My ISP gives me a /56, enough for 256 /64 subnets.


    ... To solve claustrophobia you have to think outside the box
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    Synchronet Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Arelor on Thu Mar 25 11:53:46 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Arelor to Rampage on Thu Mar 25 2021 04:39:50


    Not so uncommon scenario:

    ISP->Home router->LAN 1->Inner Router->LAN 2

    The official way of having LAN 2 have a consistent way of managing dynamic addresses is prefix delegation. Home Router 1 gets
    an assignment from the ISP. Then Inner Router gets an assignment from Home Router. Otherwise, if the ISP block changes, the
    addresses in LAN 2 get stale and you are not Internet routable anymore.

    two things:
    use only one DHCP server.
    shorten your DHCP lease times.

    i won't say anything about everyone being taken in by the sales talk and "router this", "router that" muckity muck... one only truely needs switches on their different networks and they might should reconsider how their LANs
    are connected... here, we have all of our LANs originating at one device... that one device handles everything for each LAN and each LAN is quite separate and distinct from the others... but that's just us...


    )\/(ark

    ---
    Synchronet The SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTAR
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Rampage on Thu Mar 25 14:30:43 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Rampage to Arelor on Thu Mar 25 2021 11:53 am

    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Arelor to Rampage on Thu Mar 25 2021 04:39:50


    Not so uncommon scenario:

    ISP->Home router->LAN 1->Inner Router->LAN 2

    The official way of having LAN 2 have a consistent way of managing dynami addresses is prefix delegation. Home Router 1 gets
    an assignment from the ISP. Then Inner Router gets an assignment from Hom Router. Otherwise, if the ISP block changes, the
    addresses in LAN 2 get stale and you are not Internet routable anymore.

    two things:
    use only one DHCP server.
    shorten your DHCP lease times.

    i won't say anything about everyone being taken in by the sales talk and "router this", "router that" muckity muck... one only truely needs switches their different networks and they might should reconsider how their LANs
    are connected... here, we have all of our LANs originating at one device... that one device handles everything for each LAN and each LAN is quite separa and distinct from the others... but that's just us...


    )\/(ark


    Sure, but you often want every segment administrated by a different person. Or separated at a logical level beyond having a single device take care of every address assignment.


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Arelor on Fri Mar 26 05:48:24 2021
    Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
    By: Arelor to Rampage on Thu Mar 25 2021 14:30:43


    Sure, but you often want every segment administrated by a different person. Or separated at a logical level beyond having a single device take care of every address assignment.

    dude, we're talking about home and small business, here... you're talking larger business stuff and for that there's commercial rates and really proper ISP configurations... a small business and home setup won't have multiple
    people to handle multiple LAN segments... i mean...


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