• Re: Comments

    From BRoKeNMiND@VERT/TIABBS to Dr. What on Sat Sep 6 10:05:04 2025
    Re: Re: Comments
    By: Dr. What to Codefenix on Fri Sep 05 2025 07:50 am

    enough), and I've observed plenty of interesting, worthwhile
    conversations, as well as plenty others that descend into name calling
    and such. That's really no different than any other online forum or
    othernet. I honestly don't know what more you're expecting.

    That's just the way things were back in the Golden Age of BBSing.

    I agree. I also remember when Prodigy first came out before AOL not to much to do but it was the start of the Beginning of A lot of other thing.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to CODEFENIX on Sat Sep 6 10:41:45 2025
    When that happens in DOVE-Net though, since there *is* a sub intended for political talk, group members are often quick to reply saying to take the conversation there, often without any admin having to lift a finger.

    That sort of group moderation is what I tend to prefer.

    DOVE is more of a free-speach type network than FSX or some others. If
    that isn't the OP's thing, then it might not be for them. If one is only carrying it for the Syncronet support, they are free not to carry the other echo areas and, last I checked, can even access the support echo via
    FIDOnet.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sat Sep 6 13:45:09 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Dumas Walker to CODEFENIX on Sat Sep 06 2025 10:41 am

    DOVE is more of a free-speach type network than FSX or some others. If that isn't the OP's thing, then it might not be for them.

    If someone (or multiple people) continually harass people though, is it really good to keep people like that around under "free speech"?

    Nightfox

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  • From Codefenix@VERT/CONCHAOS to Nightfox on Sun Sep 7 10:15:06 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sat Sep 06 2025 01:45 pm

    If someone (or multiple people) continually harass people though, is it really good to keep people like that around under "free speech"?

    Do things ever rise to the level of harassment though? Genuinely asking.

    Bickering and heated disagreements, yes. Name calling, for sure. I don't know that those call for admin intervention though.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Codefenix on Sun Sep 7 08:19:37 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Codefenix to Nightfox on Sun Sep 07 2025 10:15 am

    If someone (or multiple people) continually harass people though, is it
    really good to keep people like that around under "free speech"?

    Do things ever rise to the level of harassment though? Genuinely asking.

    Bickering and heated disagreements, yes. Name calling, for sure. I don't know that those call for admin intervention though.

    Wouldn't things like name calling count as harassment? For instance, there has been use of the term "autistic" in a sort of derogatory weay. Years ago, I've also seen that same person tell a couple other people to go kill themselves. There have been other unkind things said as well. I guess you could argue both ways whether it needs admin intervention or not, but things like that just contribute to a negative environment, especially when someone sticks around and keeps doing it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sun Sep 7 11:03:18 2025
    DOVE is more of a free-speach type network than FSX or some others. If that isn't the OP's thing, then it might not be for them.

    If someone (or multiple people) continually harass people though, is it really
    good to keep people like that around under "free speech"?

    My personal opinion is "no" but, once you accept that a network is such by continuing to carry the echoes, you have accepted it. As I said, you can always drop some/most of the echoes from your own system and carry just the support ones. The caveat here is that DOVE is pretty active compared to
    most other "othernets" so removing those echoes may remove a lot of traffic.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sat Sep 13 13:45:57 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Sep 04 2025 07:10 pm


    I don't think it's censorship so much as telling people who are being a jackass to stop, and kicking them out if it carries on too long. I think there can be a benefit in that - For an online forum to be successful, I think it can be good to try to avoid having it turn into a negative environment where jackasses and trolls are allowed to harass other members. Instead, I think a good forum should be a good place to discuss various topics without much of the negativity that comes from that.


    I am not going to point at specific othernets because everybody knows what I am talking about, but certain othernets are flexible regarding their rules. By this I mean they are echo chambers in which certain things are forbidden by the rules, but the rule is enforced only if it is a certain sort of person breaking it - if it is somebody who follows the party line everybody is ok with rules being pissed on.

    Frankly I think general purpose forums work much better when they run Wild Wild West style. The only places that truly benefir from strict tight rule enforcement are topic focused places which are narrow in their scope and not supposed to stray away from it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sat Sep 13 13:48:27 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sat Sep 06 2025 01:45 pm


    If someone (or multiple people) continually harass people though, is it really good to keep people like that around under "free speech"?


    I don't see much harassment around. The ones with trollish behavior prety much troll each other. I certainly don't think Dovenet has anything remotely classifiable as a troll problem as it is.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sat Sep 13 13:51:50 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Nightfox to Codefenix on Sun Sep 07 2025 08:19 am

    Wouldn't things like name calling count as harassment? For instance, there has been use of the term "autistic" in a sort of derogatory weay. Years ago, I've also seen that same person tell a couple other people to go kill themselves. There have been other unkind things said as well. I guess you could argue both ways whether it needs admin intervention or not, but things like that just contribute to a negative environment, especially when someone sticks around and keeps doing it.

    Nightfox

    Unkind words aren't helpful (more often than not) but I have been through 150+ messages this session and not detected much of a problem with those.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Sat Sep 13 13:05:53 2025
    Re: Comments
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sat Sep 13 2025 01:51 pm

    Unkind words aren't helpful (more often than not) but I have been through 150+ messages this session and not detected much of a problem with those.

    Yeah, in this session/thread, it hasn't been a problem, but I've seen it in other threads in the past.

    Nightfox

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Thu Sep 18 19:08:00 2025
    Unkind words aren't helpful (more often than not) but I have been thro
    ugh
    150+ messages this session and not detected much of a problem with
    those.

    Yeah, in this session/thread, it hasn't been a problem, but I've seen
    it in other threads in the past.
    Perhaps we are mellowing out?
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